Sorry Derek... But I think you may be a little mistaken about the NEVER part. The AMCS is continually updating and changing their website and most probably whan Mr Laming last checked - their ambit claim wasnt on there - It wasnt there last time I checked either - and I believe that Steve (Ausfish) posted a txt copy of that same page where the ambit claim was removed.As you can see from a direct quote below, the AMCS has NEVER taken their demands off their website. In the lead up to the election they re-wrote and reformatted to make more emphasis. See http://www.amcs.org.au/default2.asp?active_page_id=303
I'm in a bit of a hurry - so I will check my exact facts and maybe mod this post later - but as far as I know Mr Laming was telling the truth as far as he knew it to be true. I dont think we should be attacking him about misquoting when we cant control what the AMCS does with their website - they can change it every day if they like - just to make us all look like fools... check again in a week and see if what you quoted them as saying is still there....
The problem with this whole topic is that its hard to separate facts from rumour... which I suppose is why they do backroom deals - if we had facts - then they wouldnt be secret deals would they. We have to deal with the info we have at that given moment and go from there.
Just my 2 cents.
Adam