Boats with ETEC

[Dignity]

Maybe need a EV is the way to go as the fuel companies have just given us a Christmas present. A 40cents a litre jump on price.

[Lovey80]

I’ve got no problem with EV’s. I just detest the government jamming them down our throats and coercing us to pay more for an inferior product. If and when EV’s (and hybrids for that matter) can compete with ICE cars/4WD’s on their own two feet without subsidies and without coercion then I will happily look at them.

As for eTec, if I had a mechanic locally that could test them before buying and work on them I would consider them if the price of the boat was right. But they’re going to become more problematic the longer time goes on.

[chris69]

Maybe need a EV is the way to go as the fuel companies have just given us a Christmas present. A 40cents a litre jump on price.

$40 to charge a tesla at one of those charging staitions for what 400km may be.

[ranmar850]

And it costs you how much to drive your diesel 4wd for 400k's? Since anything that has been molested, sorry, modified, chipped, whatever, and gets driven harder than Driving Miss Daisy speeds uses at least 12l/100km, more likely 14 or 15, that equates to well over $80. (@1.80/l) And if you can charge at home, using your own solar, the price really plummets, about a quarter of the price. Good for local running around, at least.

Anyway, weren't we talking about Etecs?

[upstart]

I've never owned an ETEC but have owned a Yammie 150 HPDI and a 75 Optimax. I loved both of those motors and would own another without hesitation. Currently have a 90 four stroke Merc. It's the best motor I've ever owned.
As for EV... I'm about to sell my 2019 Hilux 4x4 dual cab and take delivery of a BYD Shark 6. I can't wait. MY wife recently changed her Subaru BRZ over to a GWM Ora GT. This 'China' car is absolutely brilliant! I plug it in at home every 2nd or 3rd weekend and the sunshine charges it up. It's quiet, fast and so easy to drive. Sure, it's not the best car for travelling from NQ to Brissy in but I'm not building a new house with Ozito tools either.

[ranmar850]

I’ve got no problem with EV’s. I just detest the government jamming them down our throats and coercing us to pay more for an inferior product. If and when EV’s (and hybrids for that matter) can compete with ICE cars/4WD’s on their own two feet without subsidies and without coercion then I will happily look at them

Where is the subsidy for hybrids? or are you talkng about pluggable hybrids (PHEV) very different thing to a regular hybrid. I'm just about to take delivery of a new hybrid Camry. Power, comfort, exceptional economy, low service requirements, and utter reliability. Ever noticed what all the taxis use nowadays,(at least in WA, suspect its the same everywhere) and have for a long time?

[Lovey80]

Where is the subsidy for hybrids? or are you talkng about pluggable hybrids (PHEV) very different thing to a regular hybrid. I'm just about to take delivery of a new hybrid Camry. Power, comfort, exceptional economy, low service requirements, and utter reliability. Ever noticed what all the taxis use nowadays,(at least in WA, suspect it’s the same everywhere) and have for a long time?

I haven’t gone too deep into the details of all of them because they don’t stack up economically for me, nor is the return on the extra investment going to fit my needs. Plus the horror stories of EV owners with dud batteries and the huge costs from auto makers to replace them. On top of that, I’m in the dual cab/extra cab market that requires significant towing capability. My current boat is near on 3T loaded and the next boat will likely be more. So the likelihood that I’ll be able to find an EV or hybrid that can compete with a V6 Ranger in this market in the next 12-18 months is zero.

but when you have the government adding huge costs on to the vehicle I need, to make EV’s and Hybrid’s more attractive in price comparison it makes me furious. But you do have subsidies in this market. Stamp duty discounts, registration discounts, vehicle charger rebates, import and fridge benefit tax discounts, CEFC funding.

Now if my wife was to settle in Australia with me and the second car was going to be used as a daily commuter, I would certainly consider one, especially a BEV or PHEV if our place was to have a suitable rooftop to maximise the solar I could install. But I would be doing the numbers on a 5 year turn around. That would take into account things like resale, fuel savings the added costs of purchase etc. unless the electric came out significantly on top, there’s no way I’d consider it.

Then there’s the accident risk and the possibility of a cobalt battery fire that would have to be resolved by then before it’s even a consideration.

[Dignity]

Just thought I'd throw this little gem into the ring, I asked our recent visitors from Germany whether they had issues with fires in EV vehicles. The answer is yes they have fires but they have a special container similar to a bottomless shipping container that the authorities bring to site and put over the burning car.

[NAGG]

As for eTec, if I had a mechanic locally that could test them before buying and work on them I would consider them if the price of the boat was right. But they’re going to become more problematic the longer time goes on.

Even with a mechanic on beck & call - I still would not consider ownership of an ETEC . Too unreliable & when they let go they are usually a major issue which will cost you in downtime & parts. ........... for a boat you need reliability.

Yeh sure if a boat was for sale & it had an ETEC on it but it was the hull I was interested in I'd look into it (& did). When I was looking for my Hornet there were a couple for sale in Victoria that had ETECs but they pretty well wanted top dollar . $30 - $35K - A new 75 Merc was going to cost around $17-18 K ........ no bargain , the ETEC was worth bugger all & you would end up paying up near to the cost of a new boat & motor . .........

Chris

[Lovey80]

My point exactly. The BMT package would have to be at a price point where if I had to repower I wouldn’t be tooo far behind but if I didn’t have to repower for years I’d be way in front.

[steve099]

Learned this lesson the hard way. My renegade ( first boat purchase) came with an etec in 2021. Service was not so bad but when things started to let go getting help and getting parts was super expensive, ended up off the water for 4 or 5 months over that time until I bit the bullet and repowered with a DF50A. High speed fuel pump was 1100+ install locally. Solenoid was 300+ install...then the throttle body got all seized up and BRP wanted me to buy an entire assembly for another grand or so ( + install) . that was the final straw for me. Managed to find a place that would buy it from me for 1000$ cash and derig the boat. Never again.

Basically any boat I look at now with an etec on it, I price in a repower in week one in my TCO calc because thats what I will be doing. There is a real nice EW stuck for sale online atm, newer G2's on it and no one will touch it as the owner wont budge on price.