Rec Fishing Licence for Queensland. ???

[PinHead]

"I believe govt considering rec fishing license as extension of snapper tax in RIS.
LNP have ruled out rec fishing license
Mark"

why have Fisheries Qld even asked Sunfish if a RFL was ruled out by ther LNP?

some porky pies spread pre election to get some votes perhaps? Or just another lying pollie you cannot trust?

[PinHead]

the following is part of an email I received from Judy Lynne on 7.12.2009. Obviously the foreseeable future does not extend to 3 years.

"Hi Greg

Sunfish Qld is definitely not pushing for licences and won’t be doing so anytime in the foreseeable future.

Our branches are all independently run by their members. This particular branch has been pushing for licenses for many years. Every time it has been brought up at our General meetings it has been overwhelmingly defeated.

Currently we are preparing a document to list all the pros and cons of licenses so that we can be seen to not be closed minded on the issue. However, please be assured that there is no general support for them. The government’s history on managing the PPV levy leaves a lot to be desired and given that experience I find it hard to imagine that too many people would be prepared to trust them with license funds.

In NSW the main purpose was to buyout commercial effort and have Recreational Havens (Rec only areas) declared. Sunfish Qld has almost achieved this already without any cost. In the New Year, legislation will be going to Parliament to prevent commercial netting in all forms (including baitnetting) from occurring in yellow zones throughout Qld.

This will mean that only rec fishers can fish in yellow zones.

I appreciate your comments and ask that you keep in touch with any other issues that may concern you.
Have a great Christmas fishing.


Regards

Judy Lynne
Executive Officer
SUNFISH Queensland Inc


Fishing For The Future"

[Lucky_Phill]

People, please be aware that Fisheries Queensland may bring the Rec Fishing licence in with or without support from Sunfish, ARFF, AFTA or you.

If you have anything positive to say, please feel free, but to do this you must choose an option in the poll.

Cheers LP

So Phill, all you are asking for is a Yes or No vote on this poll, and to provide positive feedback ?

That sounds easy. It would be impossible to go off on tangents about Governments, conspiracy theories, degradation of others, myths, hersay , he said / she said, who does what for who and the like.

My positive imput is that I would like any funds collected under a RFL to go to establishing Recreational Fishing Havens.

FWIW, I do not support the introduction of an RFL so have decided to not support the Sunfish conditions, as they stand.

Regards Me.

[Apollo]

I voted no, because of conditions d) and i). Money grab by an organisation that fails to represent and fee structure needs to be similar to the SIPs where if one holder on the boat has a licences, then every direct relative (eg wife, kids (under 18) and parents) on the boat or fishing within 30m is covered thus encouraging family activity.

[gruntahunta]

[QUOTE=PinHead;1403804]"I believe govt considering rec fishing license as extension of snapper tax in RIS.
LNP have ruled out rec fishing license
Mark"

why have Fisheries Qld even asked Sunfish if a RFL was ruled out by ther LNP?

some porky pies spread pre election to get some votes perhaps? Or just another lying pollie you cannot trust?[/QUOTE]


Greg.... as mentioned earlier in my post, NO ONE has said that it is to be introduced, it is only in discussion stage...... I really do get frustrated by some comments that whinge about Govts no doing anything..... A GOVT has too look past the 3/4 years it is in power and plan ahead for the future..... Sorry to say but the previous QLD GOVTS only ever looked at the term they won the election in and never planned for infrastructure and improvements/necessities ahead. Imagine if Clem Jones didnt do research about Sewerage installation in the years before he actually got it to happen!!!! ( I bet their were whingers about spending the money to research/implement it back then).

My point once again is, this is what good GOVTS do, they research, get opinions, and plan for the years ahead.... NO PROMISES BROKEN I CAN SEE HERE......

[Boat Hog]

Well, I can see where Sunfish are coming from. I don't think they are proposing a licence, just saying that if there is to be one then they want a seat at the table that decides how licence fees are spent. I'd still like to know how Sunfish are the peak body for Rec angers in Qld? What does peak body mean?

Once you bring in a licence, then that is one more thing to enforce. Take here in NSW for example:

What do the fishing licence fee's pay for in NSW? I thought, fishing access projects, fish habitat care, fishing education projects etc. A closer look and you see money going into "Enforcement of Fishing Rules" - Yep fisheries officers etc, for 2011/2012 - $2,294,801, 2012/2013 - $2,3,340,180. Yes that's millions!

So, our recreational fishing licence is paying millions for a government department to enforce recreational fishing regs (kind of like we pay a licence fee to fund the people who check to see if we have a licence).

What else Hmmm ... lets not forget the $442, 662 provided to DPI for;

"Investigating the behavioural response to grey nurse sharks to recreational lure and baited lines - examines the interactions between particular fishing methods and the species. "

What resulted from that .... the last (thankfully repealed) round of expansions of no fishing zones in marine parks to protect (already no take) Grey Nurse Sharks and in areas like fish rock etc (South West Rocks) restrictions introduced for "medium and high risk" fishing methods including bait fishing and jigging.

So, anglers paid for studies into grey nurse sharks that resulted in increased fishing restrictions for said anglers. Where's the Newcastle to Wollongong Beach Swimmers Licence to fund studies into the effect of Shark Nets on protected shark species?

As I see it, Sunfish is trying to get in early, in case there is a licence,so as to have a say on what happens with the licence fee monies. So, good for them I say!

Cheers,

[PinHead]

[QUOTE=gruntahunta;1403828]

"I believe govt considering rec fishing license as extension of snapper tax in RIS.
LNP have ruled out rec fishing license
Mark"

why have Fisheries Qld even asked Sunfish if a RFL was ruled out by ther LNP?

some porky pies spread pre election to get some votes perhaps? Or just another lying pollie you cannot trust?[/QUOTE]


Greg.... as mentioned earlier in my post, NO ONE has said that it is to be introduced, it is only in discussion stage...... I really do get frustrated by some comments that whinge about Govts no doing anything..... A GOVT has too look past the 3/4 years it is in power and plan ahead for the future..... Sorry to say but the previous QLD GOVTS only ever looked at the term they won the election in and never planned for infrastructure and improvements/necessities ahead. Imagine if Clem Jones didnt do research about Sewerage installation in the years before he actually got it to happen!!!! ( I bet their were whingers about spending the money to research/implement it back then).

My point once again is, this is what good GOVTS do, they research, get opinions, and plan for the years ahead.... NO PROMISES BROKEN I CAN SEE HERE......

BUT..why is it even in discussion stage when a sitting Member stated it was not on the cards..Oh how things change when they get power.

[gruntahunta]

Pinny...BECAUSE IT MAY BE ON THEIR PLANS FOR THEIR NEXT TERM>>>>THEY HAVE TO PLAN NOW.....to get the general concenus.

[Mrs Ronnie H]

Hi

I voted no. Its not that I am against a fishing Licence its more that I am sick and tired of just paying for everything. I pay to register the boat, I pay to register the trailer, I pay to register the 4x4 so we can tow the boat, I pay for bait, I pay for fuel and the list goes on. None of what I mentioned has gotten any cheaper-- CAN DO has seen to that.

Sure you may find the cost will start at 30 bucks but it will not stay at that. Another thing-- If you hold a pension card then you should not pay at all- full stop. Under 18-- To be more realistic 16 and under seems more reasonable.

I am sorry all but this is my Rant for the day.

A good idea at the time and prices indexed reasonably but further down the track they will change, Sunfish will be more inclined to want the cherry and the cake as well and it will all turn to S***IT.

Ronnie

[Mike Delisser]

Greg.... as mentioned earlier in my post, NO ONE has said that it is to be introduced, it is only in discussion stage......

Word of this from the LNP was out even before the election, SIPs folded into a state wide fishing licence. That why I asked MP Mark that exact question on Ausfish in December, that's when I 1st heard of it. Guys in Fisheries are saying it's now a done deal, they're now waiting to see in what form.

And some here thought it wasn't a big deal if the LNP didn't have a Fisheries Policy out before the election.

[goat boy]

Here's my 2c worth (lived in QLD all my life until recently, and will be back there one day in the near future for good)

a. Trust account - nice one to throw in, not going to happen though. It is foolish of Sunfish to think it would. IF a RFL was brought in, it will go into consolidated revenue and shared out on a perceived as needed basis (percentage based), imo.

b. Again, a nice one but this one has about 50/50 chance of making it through (if Sunfish have as much sway as they think they do).

c. Wow, they showed some balls with this one, and actually a little bit of foresight. A must have, imo, IF a RFL came in. Govt being Govt though, this could easily be changed after the fact.

d. Hrmm, this is quite disturbing. Not only because in other terms they are setting themselves up to be major stakehoders in a RFL (increased licence fee anyone? to further line the Sunfish empire...in year/s to come) but I personally don't give a damn if Sunfish exists or not. And that's not being nasty or spiteful or anything but they just don't give anything tangible to how I fish, and I fish alot. So what about the umpteen number of casual fishos??

e. 10%?? are Sunfish planning on moving in and annexing half of Fisheries QLD so as to collect more revenue? (that would make 10% make more sense) Outrageous, made even more outrageous by the fact that at least 'part' of Fisheries QLD funding will come from this RFL (not a top up of existing, just a contribution so as to lower current input) and 'admin fees' will be separate. IMO.

f. Again, a nice one. However, there won't be money left over. Foolish to think there would. Are Sunfish aware of how Govt budgets/spending works? If it's not used, it's lost, forever. Again, imo.

g. Someone else said, it should be voted. And it damn well should be if I'm paying for it. I don't want any snout just led to the trough and left sit there for eons because of an old boys club or whatever. If the public are paying for it, and the money is going into a trust account to be handed out appropriately, then it should be voted on. See my points d and e on what I reckon of 2 person minimum Sunfish members on the board...

h. Where did this come from? I want to see the research, data and predictions on what led to these specific figures. Otherwise it's numbers pulled out of some random ar$e for no logical reason other than 1. Sounds cheap enough to get away with, without a revolt. 2. A quick calculation on QLD rec fishers (all, an estimate) x licence fee = lot's of money to line coffers with, goody.

I. Why are pensioners and over 70s separated? why do pensioners only get a 25% discount? going back to the whole greed thing.....this reeks of collecting as much $$$ as possible with no thought on impact or outcomes.

I'm not totally opposed to an RFL (given the right set of conditions I suppose..) but damn, alot of things need to happen and change for those conditions to be right. This reeks of hypocrisy and of Sunfish trying to enact nepotism on themselves....I'd rather take my chances of being caught (and I reckon they'd be pretty good in most cases) than pay for an RFL anything like proposed here.

[odes20]

Sounds like Sunfish is wanting in on possible back flip by Government. Pre empting and wanting in on it. This shows thier colors to me, as they in no way represent the Recreational Fishers at all. THE ONLY WAY TO REPRESENT US ALL IS TO TOTALLY OPPOSE ANY SUCH MOVE TO LICENSING.

AND I SAY if Gov has given their word in election campaign, there should be organised pressure/lobby to keep the Gov too their word.

To be honest, any Gov or elected Rep would have Rocks in their head to backflip on anything at present, seeing the massive public angst against the likes of Gillard for breaking her word on carbon Tax. If Cambell Newman is putting in place a code of Conduct for ministers, like I hear, then Im sure we can at least expext that doc to contain an expectation of keeping their word. In my view Sunfish has just started to unravel any credibility they had.

[PADDLES]

I voted yes, I've always believed that a recreational angling licence is the only way that recreational angling can survive in this new world we live in. It raises funds directly for the management and research of the fishery and also clearly defines the number of recreational anglers using the fishery providing much more accurate data than has ever been available before. If a non-compulsory, and simple, online catch reporting scheme were to be implemented in conjunction with a license, the data collected could be invaluable for the fishery management. Bring it on sooner rather than later I say!

[Feral]

Sunfish can go jump if it thinks its removing the SIP, fresh water fisho's would just get swamped by the salties.
And noway would I support them getting their snouts in the trough with a component of any collected money going to them.

[NAGG]

I said No! ...... If you are going to introduce a new Licence & have it administered by a Trust - you need a new trust board formed that represents all stake holders.
The SIP scheme needs to stay in place as not everyone fishes the fresh nor do some the salt ....... sIP fees pretty well all go into fingerlings - i'd keep it that way .

Chris