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  1. #181

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    PH , we used to have an "Australian Bank" owned by the people , but sold off to be owned by shareholders nowadays

    Bring back CommBank MK II ....RBA + 1.5% ,the others can then "compete" or fk off

  2. #182

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    so where does your bank get its money from gazza?

    Perhaps from the evil ones new idea..smart meters that control your electricity usage?

    I have votedALp in the past but there is no way known I could vote for this evil socialist in charge

  3. #183

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    yep, it's just going to be a case of voting for the lesser of two evils .................. again!

  4. #184

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Timmi - yes you cansay some of Katter's policies are mad. But so are some of that of the majorparties. Making our companies "compete" on the "level playing field" is just crap. What level playing field? Either we all accept aminimum wage equivalent to that of China or we protect our industries. And before anyone bags me for this statement - how much of what you are using,wearing, own, drive is now made in China /Asia whereas once upon a time it was made in Australia. This country should be near self-sufficient. We now import food and industry and export jobs. Both parties/coalitions have been responsible for this.

    The Reserve Bank should NOT be independent of the Government. Why is that such a mad idea? I believe the US Constitution says that its Treasury should control the money; not their Reserve Bank – a private organisation. Yet their Reserve Bank, as ours, effectively now prints the money. Last man who tried to stop it in the US was Kennedy. Wiser men than you and I could see that whoever controls the money controls the people. This SHOULD NOT be left to a bunch of unelected private business people and multinational corporates. If you don't think this happens in Australia - lookat who makes up the Reserve Bank Board. They are not elected representatives. As I said - the old adage of ‘whoever controls the money - controls the people’is so true. The Reserve Bank is far more powerful than the elected government. Do you really think they care about the voters?? Why would they? At the end ofthe day it’s the corporations who pay their huge wages who they have at heart. Both parties stack the RB with their cronies. Wayne Swan got rid of one of Howard’s just the other week and replaced it with an ALP friendly one. So who manipulates the RB then? Just the mad Katter? I think not. If you think the RBis independent you are gullible.

    Both parties have protected and interfered with Retail and Merchant Banking. Super is just a big con on gullible workers. It’s there to make the banks rich, not stupid people who couldn’t be bothered saving fortheir retirement. I can guarantee that, in general, chances are the banks have made more off your compulsory super in the last 5 years than you have. If I had my 9%, it would be going to pay off my mortgage. But hey – that would mean the banks make less money out of me. Difference with Katter is that he is not slick in how he sells his ideas like the big two. The ETS – supported by both parties; again will only make the big end of town, mostly bankers rich. MalcolmT supports a Carbon tax so his merchant banking mates along with himself will get rich from the trading; same with Joe Hockey whose wife is right up in banking circles also. These are both senior Liberals; so please don’t tell me that the Lib’s don’t support whacky and corrupt ideas when they can make money at the expense of the voters, even when the scheme is as socialist as the Carbon Tax/ ETS.

    People here talk about socialists - what is the difference between the ALP & LNP these days? Both are socialists, but to varying degrees. Nothing wrong with some socialism, as is nothing wrong with some capitalism. There needs to be balance. And yes - both parties DO sway towards the Green vote. Howard did it with the GBRMP and his proposed Carbon Trading Scheme. The ALP is red through and through.

    You need a balance, and I think that a middle road party like the Aus Party will help bring that. I'd trust a country person over a cityslicker any day - IMHO. Who would you rather control balance of power? The Greens or the Aust Party?


    How can anyone say the LNP is "right" or"Conservative"? Their own leader supports loopy Green ideals (which are economically unviable without taxpayer funded support = socialist) and things that destroy traditional family; eg Gay Marraige. Conservative? I think not. So if “Can Do” is not conservative, what then of his fishing policies? Howcan we trust him? His voter base supports all those Leftard ideas (or else why would he be so passionate about them?), so why wouldn't he be pressured to support loopy restrictions on rec fishing? Yes the LNP will be much much better than the rotten ALP. But I would like to see them tempered by the Aus Party.After all, it WAS Howard (and I liked the guy) who brought in the GBRMP which hurt local communities outside of SE QLD. It was the Nat/Lib's who also have their own proposed ETS in 2007.

    As for Ethanol based fuels - I think that was also LNP policy; have they changed their tune on this?

    At the end of the day we need a balanced parliament. Not one that is "left" or "right", pure capitalist or pure socialist/ communist. At the moment the only balance we have is the Green/Watermelons; who are not balanced at all.

    If Katter was a red as some here say, I don't think he wouldlast two seconds in his electorate. Yes some policies of his are agrarian socialist. But why shouldn't they be? We ask our farmers (and industry) to"compete" with countries that effectively cheat. It's important that we have farmers and industry (where would we have been in WW2 if we had no industry? As it is, we will soon be importing all our ammunition soon; this includes the military, as we soon will no longer have the capacity to make it here. Same goes for our heavy industry. What then for our future economy and security?). What will we have left for our kids after we've 'dug it all up'?Shall we export our kids to China to work as slaves then?

    Fair dinkim guys - tinnies are now being imported from Chinaas are surfboards. How many good Aussie lure firms now are forced to manufacture their product in China? Does China compete fairly? Does the EU? Orthe USA? NO. The Chinese fix their currency (akka Reserve Bank) and pay their workers stuff all. Who has all the money in the world? Us smarty pants Westerners who have "independent" Reserve Banks and the like? Or China? Well guess what - it's China. And the way we are going they will own my kids and my grandkids. What have the two major parties done to stop this?Answer: NOTHING. In fact they have helped it along, to the point that China isnow buying our mines (so much for 'dig it up and sell it') and our farms. And please don't tell me that other countries do the same because they don't. Foreign Multi National Firms may be buying up our assets (and yes we need foreign investment – I studied it during my economics major), difference is,they are not backed up by the world's most powerful army controlled by a dictatorship. And if it hasn't occurred to those of you who support the big end of politics; as brilliant as our army is, they'd be flat out defending Moreton Island for a week, and the Yanks would do squat to help us (after all China owns them too and they are broke).

    I'll get off my soap box (well, I'll try); but answer me this:

    The ALP has sold their soul to the Watermelon Greens. No guesses what they will continue to do with rec fishing if they win. Their promises are as good as "no Carbon Tax / Gay Marraige in the Gov't I lead"


    The LNP is courting the inner city vote, especially after losing two very winnable elections. Why can / should we trust the LNP to support Rec Fishing? Especially when they were oh so quiet when Howard brought in the Great Barrier Marine Park Zones which really hurt non SE QLD coastal residents. The state LNP has also been quiet on the ETS. Fact is we need someone to balance the mongrels out. At least with Katter, you know far morewhat you will get, than what you will with some of the more two faced major parties out there (and this includes the Greens, the most hypocritical of them all).

    So my question is: how will the LNP balance their Leftard policies/ voters with Rec Fishing? And how can we trust them? At least if Katter says something, and then goes against it – his electorate would skin him alive.

  5. #185

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Quote Originally Posted by frogfuzz View Post
    Timmi - yes you cansay some of Katter's policies are mad. But so are some of that of the majorparties. Making our companies "compete" on the "level playing field" is just crap. What level playing field? Either we all accept aminimum wage equivalent to that of China or we protect our industries. And before anyone bags me for this statement - how much of what you are using,wearing, own, drive is now made in China /Asia whereas once upon a time it was made in Australia. This country should be near self-sufficient. We now import food and industry and export jobs. Both parties/coalitions have been responsible for this.

    The Reserve Bank should NOT be independent of the Government. Why is that such a mad idea? I believe the US Constitution says that its Treasury should control the money; not their Reserve Bank – a private organisation. Yet their Reserve Bank, as ours, effectively now prints the money. Last man who tried to stop it in the US was Kennedy. Wiser men than you and I could see that whoever controls the money controls the people. This SHOULD NOT be left to a bunch of unelected private business people and multinational corporates. If you don't think this happens in Australia - lookat who makes up the Reserve Bank Board. They are not elected representatives. As I said - the old adage of ‘whoever controls the money - controls the people’is so true. The Reserve Bank is far more powerful than the elected government. Do you really think they care about the voters?? Why would they? At the end ofthe day it’s the corporations who pay their huge wages who they have at heart. Both parties stack the RB with their cronies. Wayne Swan got rid of one of Howard’s just the other week and replaced it with an ALP friendly one. So who manipulates the RB then? Just the mad Katter? I think not. If you think the RBis independent you are gullible.

    Both parties have protected and interfered with Retail and Merchant Banking. Super is just a big con on gullible workers. It’s there to make the banks rich, not stupid people who couldn’t be bothered saving fortheir retirement. I can guarantee that, in general, chances are the banks have made more off your compulsory super in the last 5 years than you have. If I had my 9%, it would be going to pay off my mortgage. But hey – that would mean the banks make less money out of me. Difference with Katter is that he is not slick in how he sells his ideas like the big two. The ETS – supported by both parties; again will only make the big end of town, mostly bankers rich. MalcolmT supports a Carbon tax so his merchant banking mates along with himself will get rich from the trading; same with Joe Hockey whose wife is right up in banking circles also. These are both senior Liberals; so please don’t tell me that the Lib’s don’t support whacky and corrupt ideas when they can make money at the expense of the voters, even when the scheme is as socialist as the Carbon Tax/ ETS.

    People here talk about socialists - what is the difference between the ALP & LNP these days? Both are socialists, but to varying degrees. Nothing wrong with some socialism, as is nothing wrong with some capitalism. There needs to be balance. And yes - both parties DO sway towards the Green vote. Howard did it with the GBRMP and his proposed Carbon Trading Scheme. The ALP is red through and through.

    You need a balance, and I think that a middle road party like the Aus Party will help bring that. I'd trust a country person over a cityslicker any day - IMHO. Who would you rather control balance of power? The Greens or the Aust Party?


    How can anyone say the LNP is "right" or"Conservative"? Their own leader supports loopy Green ideals (which are economically unviable without taxpayer funded support = socialist) and things that destroy traditional family; eg Gay Marraige. Conservative? I think not. So if “Can Do” is not conservative, what then of his fishing policies? Howcan we trust him? His voter base supports all those Leftard ideas (or else why would he be so passionate about them?), so why wouldn't he be pressured to support loopy restrictions on rec fishing? Yes the LNP will be much much better than the rotten ALP. But I would like to see them tempered by the Aus Party.After all, it WAS Howard (and I liked the guy) who brought in the GBRMP which hurt local communities outside of SE QLD. It was the Nat/Lib's who also have their own proposed ETS in 2007.

    As for Ethanol based fuels - I think that was also LNP policy; have they changed their tune on this?

    At the end of the day we need a balanced parliament. Not one that is "left" or "right", pure capitalist or pure socialist/ communist. At the moment the only balance we have is the Green/Watermelons; who are not balanced at all.

    If Katter was a red as some here say, I don't think he wouldlast two seconds in his electorate. Yes some policies of his are agrarian socialist. But why shouldn't they be? We ask our farmers (and industry) to"compete" with countries that effectively cheat. It's important that we have farmers and industry (where would we have been in WW2 if we had no industry? As it is, we will soon be importing all our ammunition soon; this includes the military, as we soon will no longer have the capacity to make it here. Same goes for our heavy industry. What then for our future economy and security?). What will we have left for our kids after we've 'dug it all up'?Shall we export our kids to China to work as slaves then?

    Fair dinkim guys - tinnies are now being imported from Chinaas are surfboards. How many good Aussie lure firms now are forced to manufacture their product in China? Does China compete fairly? Does the EU? Orthe USA? NO. The Chinese fix their currency (akka Reserve Bank) and pay their workers stuff all. Who has all the money in the world? Us smarty pants Westerners who have "independent" Reserve Banks and the like? Or China? Well guess what - it's China. And the way we are going they will own my kids and my grandkids. What have the two major parties done to stop this?Answer: NOTHING. In fact they have helped it along, to the point that China isnow buying our mines (so much for 'dig it up and sell it') and our farms. And please don't tell me that other countries do the same because they don't. Foreign Multi National Firms may be buying up our assets (and yes we need foreign investment – I studied it during my economics major), difference is,they are not backed up by the world's most powerful army controlled by a dictatorship. And if it hasn't occurred to those of you who support the big end of politics; as brilliant as our army is, they'd be flat out defending Moreton Island for a week, and the Yanks would do squat to help us (after all China owns them too and they are broke).

    I'll get off my soap box (well, I'll try); but answer me this:

    The ALP has sold their soul to the Watermelon Greens. No guesses what they will continue to do with rec fishing if they win. Their promises are as good as "no Carbon Tax / Gay Marraige in the Gov't I lead"


    The LNP is courting the inner city vote, especially after losing two very winnable elections. Why can / should we trust the LNP to support Rec Fishing? Especially when they were oh so quiet when Howard brought in the Great Barrier Marine Park Zones which really hurt non SE QLD coastal residents. The state LNP has also been quiet on the ETS. Fact is we need someone to balance the mongrels out. At least with Katter, you know far morewhat you will get, than what you will with some of the more two faced major parties out there (and this includes the Greens, the most hypocritical of them all).

    So my question is: how will the LNP balance their Leftard policies/ voters with Rec Fishing? And how can we trust them? At least if Katter says something, and then goes against it – his electorate would skin him alive.
    as soon as I saw those words you lost me..socialism is for the the weak and lazy amongst us..why the hell should I work well over 60 hours a week to support some lazy mongrel that does not want to work. As I said..socialism is for the pathetic people.

    I should also add..I heard Katter on the radio the other arvo..that bloke is off with the pixies these days..lost the plot completly.

  6. #186

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    The LNP's fishing policies will be practical, workable and sustainable. Labor-Greens are taking rec fishing rights away in the form of fishing death by a thousand zones. Minor parties and independents are saying all rec fishers should be able to do whatever they wish and as much as they like, whether fishing is sustainable or not. Both positions are extreme. One ends up with no fishing in a generation, the other with no fish left. The LNP's approach will be balanced sustainable fishing and the LNP is the only party that can form government and bring these balances in. Support for minor parties or independents will either return the Bligh govt (with more restrictions) or a hung parliament (like the Canberra mess). Now that we are close enough to an election, I expect there will be more Johnny-come-lately's who develop a sudden interest in fishing - purely for the vote.
    You be the judge as to who has been interacting with rec fishers and listening to their views over time, and who appears at election time only.

  7. #187

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    And allowing a landslide victory on a protest vote could see such about faces the WA,VIC and NSW residents have witnessed.

    Gazza's link in another politically motivated thread is well worth a read and only one example of the crap Barry Oh Oh has come up with and why no opposition should be given the job without greater scrutiny.

    I reckon Katter holding the balance of power in QLD would be a good thing.

    DoNotFeedTheTrollsAandBelligerent

  8. #188

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogfuzz View Post
    Timmi - yes you cansay some of Katter's policies are mad. But so are some of that of the majorparties. Making our companies "compete" on the "level playing field" is just crap. What level playing field? Either we all accept aminimum wage equivalent to that of China or we protect our industries. And before anyone bags me for this statement - how much of what you are using,wearing, own, drive is now made in China /Asia whereas once upon a time it was made in Australia. This country should be near self-sufficient. We now import food and industry and export jobs. Both parties/coalitions have been responsible for this.
    Only partly true. There are plenty of examples where Australian Industry has been able to innovate, uncover niches and survive or thrive on the basis of getting the cost/quality/utility mix right. Industry and Government need to stop whingeing and interfering, and let Business People get on with doing what they do best.

    And some Industries just had to go. Why should we pay $50 for a tee shirt, when we can get same quality for $10? If we protect our Industries we remove the requirement for them to compete. This has detrimental impacts on cost and quality, even availability. But yes, there are some industries we need to keep, but how? I haven't come up with an answer yet - the Car industry is an important one, I think it needs to survive here.

    Quote Originally Posted by frogfuzz View Post
    ...it WAS Howard (and I liked the guy) who brought in the GBRMP which hurt local communities outside of SE QLD. It was the Nat/Lib's who also have their own proposed ETS in 2007.

    As for Ethanol based fuels - I think that was also LNP policy; have they changed their tune on this?

    At the end of the day we need a balanced parliament. Not one that is "left" or "right", pure capitalist or pure socialist/ communist. At the moment the only balance we have is the Green/Watermelons; who are not balanced at all.

    I'll get off my soap box (well, I'll try); but answer me this:

    The ALP has sold their soul to the Watermelon Greens. No guesses what they will continue to do with rec fishing if they win. Their promises are as good as "no Carbon Tax / Gay Marraige in the Gov't I lead"


    The LNP is courting the inner city vote, especially after losing two very winnable elections. Why can / should we trust the LNP to support Rec Fishing? Especially when they were oh so quiet when Howard brought in the Great Barrier Marine Park Zones which really hurt non SE QLD coastal residents. The state LNP has also been quiet on the ETS. Fact is we need someone to balance the mongrels out. At least with Katter, you know far morewhat you will get, than what you will with some of the more two faced major parties out there (and this includes the Greens, the most hypocritical of them all).

    So my question is: how will the LNP balance their Leftard policies/ voters with Rec Fishing? And how can we trust them? At least if Katter says something, and then goes against it – his electorate would skin him alive.
    Howard had no choice but to give in on GBRMP with the Democrats in order to get GST through. I see that as a net positive, though I hate GBRMP...

    I don't know the LNP position on Ethanol fuels. But any mandating of their use is just a kowtow to the Farmers, because ethanol is anathema to good sense (except for drinking, of course).

    I believe the LNP/Fed Coalition should utterly distance themselves from Green/Leftard thinking, including Global Climate disruption (ex Global Warming, ex Climate Change). If it puts them on the doorstep for a while, well, so be it. A time will come when everyone realises what a crock of shit it all is, but enough people will never figure it out while the Lib/Nats keep pussyfooting around it all.

    Tim
    Carbon Really Ain't Pollution.

  9. #189

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TimiBoy View Post

    Howard had no choice but to give in on GBRMP with the Democrats in order to get GST through. I see that as a net positive, though I hate GBRMP...


    Tim
    So will you conceed the ALP have been in the same position which has resulted in the Carbon Tax? Even moreso they needed to appease the greens on this one to get any legislation through (primarily the Malaysia solution which got skuttled by the high court).
    Not condoning it, but if you believe that excuse is good enough for Howard then you probably need to rein in criticism of this government for bringing in the CT lest you be branded hypocritical.


  10. #190

    Question Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PinHead View Post
    so where does your bank get its money from gazza?

    Perhaps from the evil ones new idea..smart meters that control your electricity usage?

    I have votedALp in the past but there is no way known I could vote for this evil socialist in charge
    Good point PH ......VIC LAB is now VIC-LNP , go figure

    read this .....see a pattern yet
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226221273964

    CommBank MK II (Aussie owned) can get their money from wherever m8 , but they probably won't have RECORD Profits .....continuously ,but a "profit" nonetheless

  11. #191

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Camhawk88 View Post
    So will you conceed the ALP have been in the same position which has resulted in the Carbon Tax? Even moreso they needed to appease the greens on this one to get any legislation through (primarily the Malaysia solution which got skuttled by the high court).
    Not condoning it, but if you believe that excuse is good enough for Howard then you probably need to rein in criticism of this government for bringing in the CT lest you be branded hypocritical.
    Mr Howard had the Majority in the Lower House, after going to an Election with the GST as a major platform. He needed a couple of Demos to get him over the line. (Note: GST has been good for this Country, being a far more efficient Tax in every way shape and form than those taxes it replaced, as it is a tax on Consumption.)

    JULIAR has no majority, after going to the Electorate saying "There will be no Carbon Tax under a Government I lead." She had to roll over and do exactly the oposite to what she promised, after Wayno stating that the Libs were being "hysterical" in saying that JULIAR would bring in a Carbon Tax. (Note: Carbon Tax is an utterly destructive Tax on Production, which is anti Business, anti jobs, anti good sense, and will do no one any good at all, as well as being an extra tax, replacing nothing, just stifling everything.)

    The difference between the two is just so utterly breathtaking. It is not the same position. If you can't see it, well, some of my previous comments regarding the intellect of some people on here are entirely appropriate.

    Tim
    Carbon Really Ain't Pollution.

  12. #192

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
    Good point PH ......VIC LAB is now VIC-LNP , go figure

    read this .....see a pattern yet
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226221273964

    CommBank MK II (Aussie owned) can get their money from wherever m8 , but they probably won't have RECORD Profits .....continuously ,but a "profit" nonetheless
    Commbank's profit sat at 19.5% ROI for 2011, which is a good result, but not excessive. Shareholders have every right to earn such a result, and a lesser result may have them putting their money elsewhere. Shareholder return is the Bank's responsibility. Nothing else. It's a record result in $ terms, but so what - inflation will do that, get used to it - every comapany should show a record every year in $ terms.

    Tim
    Carbon Really Ain't Pollution.

  13. #193

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TimiBoy View Post
    Mr Howard had the Majority in the Lower House, after going to an Election with the GST as a major platform. He needed a couple of Demos to get him over the line. (Note: GST has been good for this Country, being a far more efficient Tax in every way shape and form than those taxes it replaced, as it is a tax on Consumption.)

    JULIAR has no majority, after going to the Electorate saying "There will be no Carbon Tax under a Government I lead." She had to roll over and do exactly the oposite to what she promised, after Wayno stating that the Libs were being "hysterical" in saying that JULIAR would bring in a Carbon Tax. (Note: Carbon Tax is an utterly destructive Tax on Production, which is anti Business, anti jobs, anti good sense, and will do no one any good at all, as well as being an extra tax, replacing nothing, just stifling everything.)

    The difference between the two is just so utterly breathtaking. It is not the same position. If you can't see it, well, some of my previous comments regarding the intellect of some people on here are entirely appropriate.

    Tim
    I never compared the GST with the CT Timi and you know it. The situation is that Howard had to bend over for the Democrats by bringing in the Green Zones to get another bit of policy through ( we are not comparing mandates here- there is no doubt ALP had no mandate for CT- nor did Howard for the Greenzones). ALP have had to do the same to get any other policy through by bending over for the Greens- in this case by going against their word to implement CT..
    If you cant see that then yes I agree your previous comments are well founded- only you need to look a little closer to home.

    I am not a fan of this government, the ALP or the CT but I like to think that I look at a situation in its entirity- not though tinted lenses. It peeves me to see some who only look at something from one perspective ( one political perspective in this case) and lecture others on one-eyed bias and hypocracy.


  14. #194

    Re: LNP Fishing policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TimiBoy View Post
    Commbank's profit sat at 19.5% ROI for 2011, which is a good result, but not excessive. Shareholders have every right to earn such a result, and a lesser result may have them putting their money elsewhere. Shareholder return is the Bank's responsibility. Nothing else. It's a record result in $ terms, but so what - inflation will do that, get used to it - every comapany should show a record every year in $ terms.

    Tim
    Thanks timi , IF your indicating the LNP will re-invest the profits

    337196-scuba-santa-claus.jpg

  15. #195

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    It's hard to see the big picture when your head is stuck firmly between your cheeks. Some people need to take the blinkers off.

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