Why you don't want a carbon tax as a recreational fisher

[Mark Robinson MP]

Federal Labor's carbon tax, which is supported by Qld Labor, will drive up the cost to fish. How you might ask?
The cost of electricity will rise and so every marine business that uses electricity will have to pass their increases on to the consumer: eg. bait and tackle shops, boat builders, fish markets/co-ops ... What will go up:
Bait up
Ice up
Tackle up
Rods up
Reels up
Fishing mag up
Fishfinder up
New boat up
Engine up
Fish price at market up
Qld Fisheries costs up => Boat Rego up, and a new rec fishing licence fee to pay for it
Jobs NOT up
Wages NOT up

All of the above will happen under Labor govts.
The LNP opposes the carbon tax and will fight it all the way
A stark choice for rec fishers, don't you think?

[Steeler]

And so called " direction action " is the way to go i suppose ?.

Tell the federal leader of the coalition to show some courage and drop his policy and not handout wads of cash ( how much nobody seems to be able to agree with him on ) to big business.

See i am in the camp that thinks climate change is a load of crap so both major parties at a federal level suck on this issue for mine.

Whats your views Mark both as a state politician in opposition and as a rec angler. Is climate change real in your view ?.

Look forward to reading your thoughts on this one.

[Mark Robinson MP]

Whats your views Mark both as a state politician in opposition and as a rec angler. Is climate change real in your view ?.

Look forward to reading your thoughts on this one.

Labor's solution, the carbon tax, will not do anything for the planet, but it will make you pay more to fish. Everything will go up - your tinnie, your beer, your rods, boat rego and a new tax will be introduced - a rec fishing licence to cover the increased cost for the govt to run its Fisheries dept.

[Coodgee]

Labor's solution, the carbon tax, will not do anything for the planet, but it will make you pay more to fish. Everything will go up - your tinnie, your beer, your rods, boat rego and a new tax will be introduced - a rec fishing licence to cover the increased cost for the govt to run its Fisheries dept.

Hi Mark, I generally drink spirits instead of beer, will the carbon tax be applied to spirts as well? Also, you said our rods will go up, does that mean they will be charging a tax on the rods we already own? I have 5 rods, how much tax will I have to pay? what will happen if I only declare 2 or 3 rods in my shed?

[Mark Robinson MP]

Hi Mark, I generally drink spirits instead of beer, will the carbon tax be applied to spirts as well? Also, you said our rods will go up, does that mean they will be charging a tax on the rods we already own? I have 5 rods, how much tax will I have to pay? what will happen if I only declare 2 or 3 rods in my shed?

Any new fishing gear you buy will be more expensive because the tackle shops will pay more for their electricity and will have to pass on the costs in the price of their rods, reels, nets, bait etc.

[finga]

Any new fishing gear you buy will be more expensive because the tackle shops will pay more for their electricity and will have to pass on the costs in the price of their rods, reels, nets, bait etc.

Un-bloody-believable.
Some hard questions asked but a when an obviously rhetorical question is asked it's answered.
Mark...he was having a go at you and all politicians I'd say. Actually I'd nearly lay odds on it.

So what answering some of my bloody questions and questions of others??

Looks like Mike is dead right for what he's said at the top of page 5 of this thread.
I've done this for the politicians among us because it might be too hard for you to find at the top of page 5

This is starting to feel like Ground Hog Day

1/ Mark has a spray

2/ He gets asked a few hard questions

3/ Mark responds but doesn't actually tell us anything

4/ The natives become restless

5/ Timmi tries to save the day but unfortunately 2 + 2 doesn't = 5, and Aushfishers can count (well most can).

How the hell can I get a job as a polly. They only do what they want to do....and nothing else that may be a bit taxing on the system or a bit hard to manage.
Know what would happen to me if I had that attitude Mark??
I'd be in goal because there's a lot of crap you and your mob have inflicted upon me and I have to face it and put up with it every bloody day.

Here's a simple question for you. Why is the national CPI a third of the CPI figure my local council uses??
or a simpler question....what was the basic salary of a backbencher in 1997 and what's their basic salary now?
Or should I be marching into Laurence's offices to get them answered??
If you think yes think again. It seems I cannot get an appointment with him. Maybe he knows I'm a bit of a nutter and I'm p!ssed off with the lot of you.

Here's another question....what happens if Campbell Newman does not win the seat he's contesting??
It is quite possible.

[tunaticer]

Mark, as you stated the LNP will fight the carbon tax to the end. Commendable.
What is the LNP line on climate and environment control?

[Mark Robinson MP]

Mark, as you stated the LNP will fight the carbon tax to the end. Commendable.

Thanks you.

I think there are a lot of rec fishers and boaties who don't want to throw away their hard earned money because Labor invent another tax that won't save the planet, but will fleece you wrt cost of fishing.

Are you happy to pay more to fish - and higher boat rego and even a rec fishing licence to pay for FQ's added costs?

[PADDLES]

if this was a salesman/sales rep coming into my work to try and get me to specify some of his stuff, and all he did was bag out the opposition's products and not detail any of his own i'd simply be tuning out and showing him the door. at some point mr robinson you are going to have to come clean on the LNP plan, because people are going to get increasingly frustrated with no substance from the LNP.

at least you do seem to be interested enough to be discussing the issues facing recreational anglers and actually talking to some recreational anglers mr robinson so full respect to you for that.

to be brutally honest and answer your question, i couldn't give a rat's bum how much a carbon tax drives up the cost of me going fishing, i'd still do it anyway. i'm more worried about what a carbon tax will do to our country, what will be it's effect on manufacturing? what will be it's effect on the everyday lives of millions of people. what will be the real gain for the people of australia? i simply see this tax as being a thinly disguised money grab from the middle income earners of australia, the very people that keep the joint running, in order to pay for the wasteful financial management of the current government. i would have no problem paying a carbon tax if everyone in the world, or even this country, paid the same price, but the simple fact is ...................... they don't. so by all means can it, but don't can it because it's going to put up the price of going fishing, can it because it's a total farce, falsely sold to the australian people on the pretense of it saving our environment.

[Mark Robinson MP]

to be brutally honest and answer your question, i couldn't give a rat's bum how much a carbon tax drives up the cost of me going fishing, i'd still do it anyway. .

The early response from recfishers is that they are angry about paying more. I am too. Why should we pay more to fish because of a Labor tax?

[finga]

to be brutally honest and answer your question, i couldn't give a rat's bum how much a carbon tax drives up the cost of me going fishing, i'd still do it anyway.

Some of us are getting that low in the tank that fishing may be be a luxury that cannot be afforded.
It costs money to fish. Money best spent on things like food, home repayments, insurances, car and every bloody thing else you need to survive.
A lot of people cannot take too many more hits to the wallet.

But in saying that.....I'd much rather pay the carbon tax then pay the outrageous fuel prices that are happening. Fuel pricing is nothing but a blatant ripoff. Just this week they put the price up 10c / litre because crude's price went up. Did the price of fuel come down when the price of crude collapsed and the AU$ shot up??
At least the carbon tax is a blatant ripoff with a name.

[TimiBoy]

LOL, it's all or nothing with you lot, isn't it?

I'll paraphrase - "If the LNPO has released some policy, it means they have to release all their policy." For the naysayers, given they haven't released their Fisheries policy, does that now mean that when they do, you will not believe them? Or does it mean that when they do, it's all too late and you hate them because they released it on their timing and not yours? Sorry, but they have a right to choose their timing. Fishieries has become a contentious issue, and one where good ideas are easily nicked.

And re the Carbon Tax and this bollocks Direct Action Policy - C'mon, think about it. If Tony Abbott came out and said "AGW (Anthropogenic Climate Change - sorry Scott) is bullshit and we don't need a policy on it," what would the likely outcome be? Ammo for Labor, ammo for Greens, ammo for the media. It would be a very bad idea for his career, and for the career of every other LNP pollie, State and Federal. I hate that the LNP has such a policy, but I understand the requirement to have one. To not have one would be to guarantee the loss of the next election, and possibly the one after that. I don't think the Country can afford the truth on that one, like it or not. I must stress that this is my opinion, because I can't get anything on this out of any of the buggers, except that "Direct Action is our Policy." Political reality; you folks can stamp your feet and complain as much as you like, but I suspect that those of us who get a grip on the realities of life instead of demanding the impossible sleep a little better at night!

And regarding your state, Scott - "what have they done for me?" I suspect nothing, and I'm not happy with that either. What to do about it? I don't know.

EDIT: I'll add that I argued the same re policy release on Labor's behalf during the 2007 campaign - both parties have the right to release on their schedule. That's the reality, and tanties won't change it.

Tim

[finga]

LOL, it's all or nothing with you lot, isn't it?
And regarding your state, Scott - "what have they done for me?" I suspect nothing, and I'm not happy with that either. What to do about it? I don't know.
Tim

It has to be all or nothing Timi.....and it's not f$%^ken funny.
A hell of a lot of us tax payers are near the nothing with nobody to blame but politicians and governments.
I'm not the Lone Ranger in been p!ssed off by Governments. I'm not alone by a huge margin.

I know what the self promoting, self back patting scum that sit in parliament houses can do for me. The list is not conclusive. A lot more should be done.
They can stop trying to gloss over the problems we have in Australia (so they may win another term in office) and start telling us the truth.
Look after the tax paying citizens of Australia...you know...the one who pay taxes, and hence, the bills...and start telling us the truth about unemployment, CPI's and every other aspect of our great nation.
I'm fair dinkum in saying I would be better treated by this nation if I was a criminal and not a tax payer.
How to help me:-
Get rid of most of the scumsuckers bludging off the welfare system. Welfare is meant for those who need it. Not those who choose not to work...ever. If we can spot them in the shopping centres and at the pub why can't Centrelink? Why can the bludgers afford to go to the pub and smoke and have $20,000 cars and a lot of tax payers cannot??
Get real figures on our statistics. How in the name of all that's holy can the National CPI be 2.8% (which the dipshits in Canberra tell me is how much the cost of me living has gone up) or what-ever it is and then I have my local council telling me CPI is 10% and that's how much my rates are going up. Something F$%ken wrong there somewhere. Tell me how this can be so Mark, Timi.
Stop pandering to minority groups.
Stop wasting F%$king money. How much money is wasted in this country on things like designing a surfboard for females. Give me the $25,000 grant that was given for that. It was easy. Put 2 dints towards the front. Done and dusted now give me the money.
On a fishing nature how much money has been wasted with rule changes?
I would not know many fishing regulations now. They are chopped and changed and altered near every day of the week now. When I go fishing I would not know if I was allowed to keep a fish caught where I was at the time I was fishing or if I was supposed to cut some appendage off the fish or myself to be able to keep the unknown number of fish of a breed I don't know if I can keep in the esky which may/may not have to have some chemical in it to kill the fish humanely.
I'm just buggered if I know any more.

All or nothing....my bloody oath.
Explain to me Mark what are you, and your mob, going to do to make my life better?
No commitments please. Committed means absolutely bloody nothing to me and, to tell you the truth, I'm sick and tired of hearing the word committed. Saying your committed is just a gutless way of getting out of anything your mob has half heartedly said to do nothing but try and win a vote.
Cold, hard facts please. Say what your mob are going to do for me?
I'd also like to hear from the other mob as well.

Might as well go and rob a convenience store after I'd pricked myself in the arm a few hundred times. At least I'll be treated well then.
Or I might run the big boat out to sea, turn around and wander back and refuse to tell my name and have no ID on me and then sit back and live in relative luxury.

F%$#ken politicians. I'd like one to live with either myself or any number of other people for 6 months or so so they'd see how the real world is and not how they dream it to be.
I dare....no, I reckon I'd pay any politician to spend a fortnight with my little brother and see what he sees and hears every day he works. He's a repo guy. Life is not that rosy for many people who go to work every day.

Where's Mark now?? Pretty quick to post about positives. WHAT ABOUT ANSWERING THE NEGATIVES?
And don't give me the bullsh@t story about been busy. You had time to start a thread knocking the other side...now answer some questions or is Mike's post at the top of the page fact?
Yes Timi. It's all or nothing.


Oi Mike. 2+2 can either equal 1 or 56 according to what the question is.
If the question is about how many people died waiting for surgery then the answer is 1. If the question is how many people have now found fulltime employment (which means working 6 hours a week) then the answer is 3,897,645.
So 2+2 cannot equal 4 according to a politician.....but they're committed

[PinHead]

LOL, it's all or nothing with you lot, isn't it?

I'll paraphrase - "If the LNPO has released some policy, it means they have to release all their policy." For the naysayers, given they haven't released their Fisheries policy, does that now mean that when they do, you will not believe them? Or does it mean that when they do, it's all too late and you hate them because they released it on their timing and not yours? Sorry, but they have a right to choose their timing. Fishieries has become a contentious issue, and one where good ideas are easily nicked.

And re the Carbon Tax and this bollocks Direct Action Policy - C'mon, think about it. If Tony Abbott came out and said "AGW (Anthropogenic Climate Change - sorry Scott) is bullshit and we don't need a policy on it," what would the likely outcome be? Ammo for Labor, ammo for Greens, ammo for the media. It would be a very bad idea for his career, and for the career of every other LNP pollie, State and Federal. I hate that the LNP has such a policy, but I understand the requirement to have one. To not have one would be to guarantee the loss of the next election, and possibly the one after that. I don't think the Country can afford the truth on that one, like it or not. I must stress that this is my opinion, because I can't get anything on this out of any of the buggers, except that "Direct Action is our Policy." Political reality; you folks can stamp your feet and complain as much as you like, but I suspect that those of us who get a grip on the realities of life instead of demanding the impossible sleep a little better at night!

And regarding your state, Scott - "what have they done for me?" I suspect nothing, and I'm not happy with that either. What to do about it? I don't know.

EDIT: I'll add that I argued the same re policy release on Labor's behalf during the 2007 campaign - both parties have the right to release on their schedule. That's the reality, and tanties won't change it.

Tim

and therein lies the problem that most of us have with the politicians these days Tim. They do things "their" way. Someone should remind the bloody lot of them who they work for..and that is us.

We also can choose our way on election day but they also seem to forget that also.

No one is cracking a "tantie", just stating how we see it.

I will give you a lesson on the so called realities of life..if someone wants a public office then perhaps that someone can answer what the public wants to know..a really simple thing that most of them have forgotten.

[kc]

Finga Old Mate!! Great Spray!

KC