Who has PERSONALLY experienced serious engine failure in the first 3-5 years

[Dave_H]

2 x cut-outs/alarms/low RPM limp home episodes with BIL's 115hp Etec since new purchase very late last year. Cause yet to be completely determined. So far appears to be an oil delivery issue with a new installation.

No spectacular failure yet, but geeze its a great engine when going well (makes my Tohatsu look like a chaff cutter at idle though).

[ozscott]

That is a failure for this Poll mate - limp home is simply not acceptable for a new motor.

Cheers

[black runner]

In order to determine a failure rate and be remotely useful, this pole needs to be quantified against the total ownership no. of each brand in the sample group (ie who owned a motor through the 3-5 yrs old) . As it stands how do you know how many owners of each are answering no to the question. Maybe this could be the next pole and then do the sums.

Without it the figures mean little unless you use market share averages which may or may not translate into ausfish ownership/useage.

Cheers

[Spaniard_King]

Ok,

fair enough.

So where would you put an engine that has an alarm sounding but has no effect on the engine. i.e full performance still available??

[ozscott]

Garry - you make a good point mate. You are saying perhaps that a good limp home system whilst it would register on this Poll would save massive damage that a bad limp home system would actually allow? Yep - agree wholeheartedly, but unless its impeller or plastic bag over the pick up or operator error in running out out of water a new engine going into limp home is a failure under the parameters of this Poll - the failure is serious when you are on the water. The engine didnt low but it certainly didnt perform.

An new engine that misses badly on the water is a serious failure for this poll. Sure the poll might not meet everyone's views, but it will give us a good idea of straight out failure rates irrespective of the cause.

I appreciate Gary's point about the type of failure....so I am going to start...wait for it....another one to go parallel!!!!

Cheers

[Greg P]

2 x cut-outs/alarms/low RPM limp home episodes with BIL's 115hp Etec since new purchase very late last year. Cause yet to be completely determined. So far appears to be an oil delivery issue with a new installation.

No spectacular failure yet, but geeze its a great engine when going well (makes my Tohatsu look like a chaff cutter at idle though).

Exactly the same as brother's 90. 3 consecutive trips out, 3 limp homes. After each time taken to dealer. Last time they changed a heap of oil delivery gear and uploaded (re-mapped) the ECM after BRP master tech was contacted. Since then been faultless and has approx 300 hrs. No injector probs etc. I would consider buying one but gee they are loud at idle.

[black runner]

What constitutes serious engine failure? I would interpret that as a failure of the core components of the motor. ie block, pistons, rods, bearings, head/valve train, gears/gearbox

Cheers

[ozscott]

BR - See the new poll for SERIOUS SERIOUS failure so people can get a gauge of total failures in this thread that include everything from limp home to thrown rods, and then actual catastrophic failure alone in the other Poll.

Cheers

[black runner]

In order to determine a failure rate and be remotely useful, this pole needs to be quantified against the total ownership no. of each brand in the sample group (ie who owned a motor through the 3-5 yrs old) . As it stands how do you know how many owners of each are answering no to the question. Maybe this could be the next pole and then do the sums.

Without it the figures mean little unless you use market share averages which may or may not translate into ausfish ownership/useage.

Cheers

Hey Scott, you also need the above

Cheers

[ozscott]

Ok,

fair enough.

So where would you put an engine that has an alarm sounding but has no effect on the engine. i.e full performance still available??

Gary - I appreciate your points mate. So now for this Poll that is an annoyance and assuming its not because of a problem it is not a failure. Paint coming off the cowel for this poll is not a failure.... If the engine does not run as it should - missing, limp home mode, rod out the side of the block its a failure.

Polls dont have to be perfect do they in order to provide at least some guidance to owners. Gary unless Honda's have a propensity to be overly sensitive on the alarms and limp home why should Honda owners/sellers be overly senstive about this Poll ( - I mean I would have thought the last person with anything to fear from the results of these polls would be Mr Honda...but perhaps I am wrong...perhaps the perceptions are wrong....we shall see...and thats the beauty of the Poll.

Cheers

[murf]

I can't vote

1800hrs on the merc 4 stroke and no probs other than an alarm for leaving the MUFFS on :rolleyes: 6hrs of trolling and flitting about then only on the way home at full noise did it alarm haha

had a re-call on the rectifier but it lasted three more years after the recall before it stopped working, all replaced on warranty no worries and didn't stop or slow me up :smiley:

I did make it back-fire one day as you only need half a second on the key to start hot or cold and I only give it 1/4 of a second and it back-fired blowing off an air hose that wouldn't let the motor rev more than 2k, that was quickly fixed :wink:

cheers Murf

[Steeler]

What is this poll hoping to achieve ?. This site does not represent all outboard owners only those who are members of the site.

Based on that it will not give you a true indication of whats more reliable than the next regardless of whether its a black,white blue or any other colour for that matter.If anything percentages will suggest the most units sold by a particular manufacturer will feature highly simply due to the weight of numbers sold. Based on that i don't believe its going to give any owner of a particular brand bragging rights over another.

Steeler

[ozscott]

Steeler - but surely this owners represent an even cross section of new outboard owners. As for what it will achieve, an indication hopefully of reliability (not the last word, not the most definitive word...but an indication)...cause I am confused, and also not just a little sick of years of debate about engine reliability and brand v brand and seeing no data on here.


Cheers

[ozscott]

I suppose though a reader of this Poll would need to take into account total numbers of the particular outboard sold...for eg if etec had 20% more failure rate on this poll than Honda but outsold honda by 20% then they might even out somewhat.

BR - If you have a gearbox failure - for eg you cant engage gear its a failure for this poll.

[Steeler]

Not when this site would be lucky to represent 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 01% of outboard owners.

Just my thoughts

Steeler