Monduran & Awonga

[NAGG]

Interesting & thought provoking post Lyndon (as always)

The trigger of Colour will be always be debated - some swear by it & some dont ......... but it should never be dismissed. too often I have seen fish turn on as soon as a new colour has been presented in the same lure ( be it bream , bass or barra fishing ) or the same lure (different colour) be fished side by side ....... & one gets the interest & the other doesn't ( change colour) ..... & results change
There is also a confidence factor I fish gold with confidence ..... Lorikeet or technicolour yawn - NOT

Chris

[vet]

Hello Lyndon. Lure colour is one of those factors, like full moon, that isn't essential but can put the icing on the cake. You can catch a barra on any colour lure on any given day just as you can irrespective of the phase of the moon. If you have everything else right, then lure colour can turn a 3 fish day into a 15 fish day. You should spend a few hundred nights trolling like I have done and then maybe you wouldn't be so dismissive of lure colour.
I generally start my night trolling with 4 different lures out, if a patterrn establishes of what type of lure is getting bites I change all 4 rods to that style of lure in different colours. Invariably 1 colour lure out of the 4 same lures starts getting the most bites, if you change 1 other rod to that colour suddenly you have 2 rods getting all the bites. You can even change the lure to a different rod set up and it keeps getting all the bites. These are rods in rod holders so no additional angler action to impact on strike rate. Obviously I hold 1 rod and the other 3 are in rod holders and I am invariable outfished by rod holder. So in this situation the only difference in strike rate is colour. Someone who is casting will never notice this so will always discount colour because they can only cast 1 lure at once so no control lure is cast to see if you would have got a bite on a different colour. Another example of this was teemburra abt tournament last year. Trev and I were using 8cm xraps, he had a muddler colour and I had every other colour that exists. Trev had 15 bites and hookups casting into the same 1metre gap between 4 trees in the time that I had 2 bites and landed 2 fish. I tried every colour there was for only 2 bites. You may conclude that trev was working his lure different on a different rod, etc etc, but the proof came once he'd got his bag of 5 he cut the lure off of his rod, tied it onto my rod, I did the same retrieve that I'd been doing for 2 hours on my rod, first cast landed barra, second cast landed barra, third cast lure bitten off. So the second I got the gun coloured lure on I was getting hit every cast.

So just like the full moon, if you have got everything else right the lure colour will turn an average day into a great day. I don't think anyone has ever said that all you need is a certain coloured lure and you will be successful. As a caster of lures you will never present 2 different coloured lures to the same fish to find out which one she chooses. With trolling you can troll 4 different coloured lures a metre apart and then you will see that they definitely have a colour preference.

Just my view, scott.

[SeekingBarradise]

Interesting & thought provoking post Lyndon (as always)

The trigger of Colour will be always be debated - some swear by it & some dont ......... but it should never be dismissed. too often I have seen fish turn on as soon as a new colour has been presented in the same lure ( be it bream , bass or barra fishing ) or the same lure (different colour) be fished side by side ....... & one gets the interest & the other doesn't ( change colour) ..... & results change
There is also a confidence factor I fish gold with confidence ..... Lorikeet or technicolour yawn - NOT

Chris

Yes Chris i agree. But all the work was done attracting the fish to your lure/plastic. If it didn't take the bait either the retrieve wasn't what it wanted or if it was colour just change, the point is that what attracted the fish in the first place may have had more to do with Johnny Mitchells thread in the Freshwater Chat now. Modifications or Ditch It.

Maybe the reason we pay attention when the barra is behind our plastic is because we can see it. If we could see it 20meters away being attracted by our presentation then swimming all the way over to check it out, now there is another way to learn.

Cheers Lyndon.

[NAGG]

Yes Chris i agree. But all the work was done attracting the fish to your lure/plastic. If it didn't take the bait either the retrieve wasn't what it wanted or if it was colour just change, the point is that what attracted the fish in the first place may have had more to do with Johnny Mitchells thread in the Freshwater Chat now. Modifications or Ditch It.

Maybe the reason we pay attention when the barra is behind our plastic is because we can see it. If we could see it 20meters away being attracted by our presentation then swimming all the way over to check it out, now there is another way to learn.

Cheers Lyndon.

While in barra fishing .... it is difficult to see the reaction to lure colour - Bream fishing sometimes you can be though ..... (in clear conditions & over shallow flats) ........ Throw a placcy or hardbody for a look only ......change colour & its fish on - not always but seen on occasions.

Chris

[darylive]

Thats the last time l will tell Nagg Anything

Trev, nothing to do with Nagg or you!

Cant blame me on that one Trev ...... I was happily fishing a black gold slicky & suggested to Daryl to change to a placcy ........ & out it comes - all ready pre dipped - UNBELIEVABLE

Chris

SEE

The trouble is that now Daryl has discovered & can spell chartreuse - everything gets dipped in it ( I should have told him about glow bait ...... so he could put it on his pillies at Fraser )

I have some of that glow stuff somewhere . and the glow beads. And outfished the lot at Fraser Island. Crap I just thought can you dip pillys in the chartrues dip? to the shed!

rang foxies today for some hard bodies and hollow bellies.....also order a bottle of dye.....guess what colour....

Lucky there was any left

Wouldn't there be a stack of other things other than colour that come into play like slight differences in retrieve speed or the different rod and reel setups for slight action differences that have worked better on the day. All pieces of the puzzle Lyndon

In dirty water i'm just not so sure about how much colour really comes into it.
Yep it would play a part, but 100% of the fish catching equation i think not,

I am sure 100% would agree, did some one suggest it was?

Has this just been put in our brains e.g. Why is the first question many ask?

The best place to start along with what retrieve etc.

Back on the boat: What the guy next to me is doing with his presentations and how he is doing it would be the first thing i look at. We did this on our last trip with Dick (WA) and Lacky where we noted Lacky got more interest right away with his 4 inch very slow hollow plastic retrieves. We changed tact then scored barra. Job done, but only if it was on the radar, we didn't go anywhere near his green plastic colour and used totally different presentations, however we changed our retrieves.

All part of the puzzle

Boat: If he got more fish on the boat, strike and body position/reaction would be something i look at let alone rod position which is at the end of that chain-link.
Anyone doubting the importance of this has absolutely no clue whatsoever about anything even remotely close to sporting knowledge. Refusal to look at this area basically pushes you into the silver bullet approach and we all know where that one ends up.

No good having the right lure if you don't work it properly

To say this colour lure is the gun might just be because we have all been brainwashed into thinking that.

Or we consider it to be part of the puzzle, no good having all else right and casting a sinker.

People dont credit the cricket ball for Shane Warne's amazing deliveries.
The technique enabled him to do these amazing deliveries, including hand position.

Absolutely, you never see the bowler inspecting the ball or calling for a different one

People don't interview the shoes and credit them for making Bolt run fast.
His training got him there. Technique...

Exactly he could do the same in thongs, you think?

People don't give credit to Sherrin footballs for kicking itself a goal.
Practise, technique imparted.

That's right mate.
A chartreuse dipped drop bear sitting in the boat wont catch fish.

What's now more important? Lure colour or what you are doing with it? Which then leeds to the tools at hand, positions then branches off to water reading/location and so on.

What if all the rod and reel and lure colour thoughts are thrown out and you drive to your fishing destination armed only with a handline.

What colour hand line

Now what was more important? The ability to read the conditions on the day & put you in an area to maximise fish catching potential or just plain old lure colour? Lots of info on here about that topic as well & reading fishing areas would have to be up there near the hardest of challenges to get a good grip on, yet close to the most important. You can't buy it in a shop for $12.

Buy 2 pkts of hollow bellies @ Foxies and get the dip free! That's how this whole thing got started

Last but not least: If a fisho next to you on a boat was using a golden retrieve, rod and lure combo that has caught say 2000 barra. And us the average angler are there with our best colour lure. Barra don't inhale a lure from 10m, 5 metres away, 2 metres away, they have to be fairly close to it for the lure to be inhaled and barra can swim behind a lure watching it for a long time before deciding to shy away or strike, especially on hard fished dams.

So once the vibe and action gets the Barras attention she comes in 10-5 mtrs and checks out the colour before deciding to take it.

If a barra can't see the lure from 5 metres away how much of a chance do i have to attract that barra to my lure with colour alone? Was colour even considered by the barra in the first place? Not until it was close and stalking the lure.

If my mate casts his lure out no matter what the colour but consistantly over hundreds of days a year, over decades of fishing he outfishes me and all the other boats around us. Was that because of the lure colour or did it have more to do with his retrieve & so on?

What has got more to do with getting the fish to come closer to our lures in the first place? Colour from 5, 10 or 20metres away or what we are doing with our lures? So in effect lure colour might only come into it in the final stages of a follow, if at all. And a good angler with retrieves i reckon could still fool a barra using the retrieve, without having to serving up greens and say "Will you eat them today". Getting more fish to come closer to your lures and plastics has to increase your chances of hookups and fish on the deck. This would have to be a priority in many fishing scenarios.

Now where is lure colour in the whole scheme of things? 100% of the fish catching equation?

Somerset: Nagg and I were both using ice jigs spitting distance from each other. I had an elton john thing Nagg a gold jobbie. He was catching fish I wasn't so to test the theory we swapped. I hooked up immediately and Nagg went quite. Certainly not '100% of the fish catching equation?' and anyone who thinks that is a dill. But it is part of the equation and not to be disgarded.

As for the Chartreuse tail drop bear at Monduran when I hooked the monster. We were in fact fishing in the dark.


All good here just thinking out loud guys, good thread and posts by everyone.
Absolutely no offence is meant at all in this post, it just triggered a train of thought ok.

Cheers Lyndon.

Great to exchange information as always Lyndon.
It always pays to look at things from 'A different perspective'
My view is that colour is just part of the puzzle, one of the smaller parts, but part none the less. When the fish are keen a rag on a hand line will do the job. When they are not, consider all options that may offer a change no matter how subtle.

Like many things size and colour are not as important as technique


We were fishing in the dark

[NAGG]

Trev, nothing to do with Nagg or you!



I have some of that glow stuff somewhere . and the glow beads. And outfished the lot at Fraser Island. Crap I just thought can you dip pillys in the chartrues dip? to the shed!



Lucky there was any left



Great to exchange information as always Lyndon.
It always pays to look at things from 'A different perspective'
My view is that colour is just part of the puzzle, one of the smaller parts, but part none the less. When the fish are keen a rag on a hand line will do the job. When they are not, consider all options that may offer a change no matter how subtle.

Like many things size and colour are not as important as technique


We were fishing in the dark

Dont forget the silhouette of a lure against the sky

As we know a barras night vision is exceptional too ........ eye position (looking up)

So of a night ...... I like to use a dark coloured lure ( often gold) & one that sets off a good pulse ( take advantage of a barras sensitive lateral line)

Chris

[Awoonga]

De ....pends White worked last night.....

[gladbream]

yep trev
white worked last night even after scott left. im no barra fishermen in comparison to you guys and spend limited time on the barra dams. like my bream fishing i have confidence in certain lures and more so casts that i present with this presentation. i have beleif that confidence in a lure and presntation, which further provides success.

cheers

kh

[robersl]

So Nagg what colour is foxie overstocked in dye for next month that he wants you to help him get rid of one word from nagg and it's sold out lol

shane

[NAGG]

So Nagg what colour is foxie overstocked in dye for next month that he wants you to help him get rid of one word from nagg and it's sold out lol

shane

Well it wont be chartreuse .......... Daryl made sure of that

[darylive]

Dont forget the silhouette of a lure against the sky

As we know a barras night vision is exceptional too ........ eye position (looking up)

So of a night ...... I like to use a dark coloured lure ( often gold) & one that sets off a good pulse ( take advantage of a barras sensitive lateral line)

Chris

Yes especially the silhouette of the Chartreuse tail

De ....pends White worked last night.....

Ah yes the drop bear with the Chartreuse tail

It seems the Squidgie is out of the bag

[pontificator]

I wonder if our samples sizes are too small to get an accurate picture.

It would be good to hear from a statistician or actuary- do any such fish???

That said I do believe angler confidence is important