Civil Disobdiance - Who's In

[Jeremy]

16% of Moreton Bay now green zone, 4 month closed season proposed for bottom fishing to protect snapper., all based on shoddy 'science' and rubbery figures.

I see a few people have already posted that they will be disobey the laws and 'catch me if you can'. I am all for that and if I want to fish somewhere that is now a green zone, I will (but I will be careful about it to not get caught).

But I wonder how many of us would be prepared to get together for a mass protest of civil disobediance against the new zones? Maybe anchoring up in a green zone and having lines in the water with no hooks. That is not illegal I believe - you can't possibly be fishing if you didn't have any hook on the line, but it would create a hell of a stink and make the EPA enforcement orificers would hard.

Just wonder how many might be interested and who thinks it might be worth a shot?

Jeremy

[Local_Guy]

jeremy with your point of getting 100 blokes in the water but with no hooks on, it will only work if the EPA fines you and then all 100 blokes take it to court to tie up the system.

[3rd degree]

Yeah I'd be in that Jeremy!

I wonder what hours the EPA officers work?

James

[Local_Guy]

wonder if they will ban Radar on boats like speed detectors in cars now with more closures....

this way you can see if someone is coming and get out of the area before they turn up and say 'it was you'

[Lovey80]

I'm in and more! I'm ready to stick it right up those wankers!

Cheers

Chris

[TimiBoy]

My answer is obvious. I'm in. Enough pressure on these twits will have them imploding.

Cheers,

Tim

[ShaneC]

Hell... why not?? I'm all for this kind of thing.... I am sure there are MANY ways that the law can be flaunted in the face of the lettuce cuddling fascists.

Don't know what we'll actually achieve but it'll be fun.

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[CHAPPY]

What would happen if a lot of crab pots started to appear in the green zones with appropriate name tags as required. Say Anna Bligh on 1 Andrew Frazer, and so on right down the ministry line?

I believe the inspectors would be required to issue an infringement notice to the people whose name appear on the pots. We are not given the privelidge to explain so why should they?

Maybe then these fools will learn by example. Plus the no hook bit .

I am in. But please remember the inspectors do not make the laws. Treat them with respect.

Chappy

[Jeremy]

What would happen if a lot of crab pots started to appear in the green zones with appropriate name tags as required. Say Anna Bligh on 1 Andrew Frazer, and so on right down the ministry line?

I believe the inspectors would be required to issue an infringement notice to the people whose name appear on the pots. We are not given the privelidge to explain so why should they?

Chappy

What a great idea. I believe dillies will be banned soon, so might as well use them.

[TimiBoy]

Remember that a requirement when in a green zone is that all fishing equipment be effectively stowed. So fishing with no hooks is an infringement.

The best way to handle this is in groups. A lot of boats in a green zone will attract attention, and waste their time. March 1 next year should a lot of Ausfishers on the water. We should all paint our aerials to look like rods, and keep them at an angle. Run a flagpole at the stern without a flag on it.

Your vote, and that of the folks in your local fish shop, chandlery, BCF, CampMart, Tackle Warehouse, service station, boat sales yard, service and repairer, and others, should be aware of the cost implications, because all of you should be talking about this and it's implications at every opportunity.

"How's business? Prices going up? Do you know why?"

As far as being nice to EPA employees, we have high employment in SEQ. Plenty of jobs out there; they choose to stay at the EPA. I believe their staff should be encouraged to make it hard for the EPA to find people. Give them hell. They deserve it. There is no room in this to be nice.

Tim

[castlemaine]

What a great idea. I believe dillies will be banned soon, so might as well use them.

Jeremy, I'm sure you're only joking but I'd hate to see dillies out there unattended . But the idea itself has merit, just imagine going to a green zone and finding a hundred or more 2L milk containers(addressed Anna Bligh/Andrew Fraser) with half a brick attached to them. Hope Marine Parks bring the big boat to collect them all. Cheers

[CHAPPY]

Jeremy, I'm sure you're only joking but I'd hate to see dillies out there unattended . But the idea itself has merit, just imagine going to a green zone and finding a hundred or more 2L milk containers(addressed Anna Bligh/Andrew Fraser) with half a brick attached to them. Hope Marine Parks bring the big boat to collect them all. Cheers

The original intent was to use the soon to be banned rectangle folding pots and sew up the entances so no crabs or fish can get in. Also no bait. I am with you in that we can not have pots perpetually killing marine life.

But, I dont think charges could be laid over a house brick.

Chappy

[trueblue]

What would happen if a lot of crab pots started to appear in the green zones with appropriate name tags as required. Say Anna Bligh on 1 Andrew Frazer, and so on right down the ministry line?

I believe the inspectors would be required to issue an infringement notice to the people whose name appear on the pots. We are not given the privelidge to explain so why should they?

what a superb idea....

magic

[FAREFISHER]

hello all. i'd like to make a few observations.

most of the comments on this thread have been repeated hundreds of times over the past year or so.

many of you have attended public meetings, some have joined ineffective fishing parties, less have attended protest rallies.

it seems that absolutely nothing has been achieved - except possibly to increase the number of restricted fishing zones !

it seems clear to me that a special interest group as small as ours ( yes i know a lot of people fish - but the voting public doesn't give a rats) cannot generate enough interest (power) to effect change.

i repeatedly see the greens blamed for the changes and see no reason to doubt this.

as a recfisher I would put my love for the environment up against anyones. i reckon that applies to most of you as well !

why don't we attack this issue from a different angle. as a group of environment lovers, wanting sustainable use of the bay, keen to protect of precious resource wouldn't we be welcomed with open arms by the Green Party ? From my brief research, I think you can join the green party in january (through to june) for under $30 bucks.

i think you'll find tha their member base is quite small and that a significant number of fisho's would be able to drive the party in different directions ( eg direction of preferences in the upcoming state election)

from the spin i've read - we both want the same thing - sustainability. well lets join up and sustain the hell out them ! democracy at work (ie minority goups working in their own self interest!)
regards
farefisher