Derek I think youve got the reaction you wanted and its all been good debate too. Parties dont get anywhere being silent, unseen nor by consistantly pointing out problems instead of comming up with solutions as we have seen for the last 10 years. Maybe better TFP starts off a bit slower than the last boom and bust party which was always in the media for all the wrong reasons. Somewhere in my fuzzy memory banks I recall one economics lesson where the % of voters was broken down into the various categories and I think it came out that about 5% actually knew why they chose their vote. No doubt 100% of us believe we are one of those 5%.