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  1. #76

    Re: Moreton Bay Closures - what's happening?

    Yes I know the extreme greenies are a bunch of strange people, but they
    will never get their own way. But they will try! Its must be fair for all,
    like I said, theirs no easy solution. no one can have it their own way.




    signed tunaman







  2. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reel Nauti
    I can't understand why the labour govt in Queensland would need to side with the greens, or anybody for that matter. Sure they might get touched up a bit in the next election, but they will still walk in. They have absolutely no opposition. Why would they side for the green's support when it would put them out of favour with so many constituents? Can anyone answer this please? I honestly don't understand.

    Cheers
    Dave
    a brief insight into the workings of the ALP..it consists of factions..the Ministers are decided along factional lines. There are 2 main right wing factions..AWU and Labor Unity and there are 2 main left wing factions ..socialist left and Labor Left.
    The Socialist Left has a very strong green leaning and that is why the ALP tends to head down the green path at times..to appease this faction...most of their green ideas come from members of this Socialist Left faction..not so much from the Green Party. They then do a preference deal with the Green Party to once again appease this internal faction. Up until a couple of years back..the 2 men running Qld were Bill Ludwig (AWU faction) and Terry Mackenroth..both very powerful men at the time in the State Labor movement. If you delve into each Minsiters factional allegiance you will soon see which faction has the most power at any one time.

  3. #78

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    I'm sure our kids will say "thanks Dad" > >

    It won't be "remember the fish we used to catch" ,it'll be....
    "remember when we COULD fish there!!"

    Every Success to Shane


  4. #79

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunaman
    Yes I know the extreme greenies are a bunch of strange people, but they
    will never get their own way. But they will try! Its must be fair for all,
    like I said, theirs no easy solution. no one can have it their own way.




    signed tunaman

    I think they're (extreme greens) pretty happy about the GBR result... sure its not 100% of the area - but its 80% of the good fishing areas... so I guess all in all its fair wouldnt you say? I guess we should just roll over and expect the same thing here - they dont want 100% of the bay - just the stuff we want to fish in... leave us the main shipping channels and the barren stuff... Yep gotta agree with you... its fair!!

    And the minister is right - she doesnt want to lock recreational fishos out of the bay... we can have 70% of it... no problem - its which 70% thats the problem... Tunaman if you want to fish in the desert then thats up to you - I'll choose the fish highway and continue to fight for our access and our childrens access to this resource. Yes its about sustainability and this fight is not about our "rights" to rape and pillage the bay... no one has EVER said that. Its about continued and sustainable access... not lockouts.





  5. #80

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    All these closures are is a barganing chip Labor hands to the greens in exchange for preferences. As Dr Starck (a prominent fisheries Professor), said of the GBRMP they are a cheap political shot and that for all the good they do they might as well be managing the moon.

    Why we should 'compromise' to this I don't know. There are plenty of other real conservation options available IF a problem is identified without locking out anglers.

  6. #81

    Re: Moreton Bay Closures - what's happening?

    Yes I know the extreme greenies are a bunch of strange people, but they
    will never get their own way. But they will try! Its must be fair for all,
    like I said, theirs no easy solution. no one can have it their own way.
    They got their own way to a T on the RAP zoning, fair to none.

    They will get their own way yet again whenever round 2 starts.......and it will no doubt about it....unless of coarse it is stopped at the political level because fairness has never been a political objective of any party......until TFP that is.

    cheers fnq



  7. #82

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    Not sure if this has already been published but I e-mailed my local state member the following:
    I am a life long resident of Wynnum/Manly and have spent over 40 years fishing in our beautiful bay. The last 10 years have seen a vast improvement in fish populations in the bay due to reductions of river silt, industrial run-off and the cessation of coral dredging. Finally, the Moreton Bay fishery is returning to how I remembered it from my childhood days.
    I have read with interest and alarm that there is a proposal to close areas of the bay to recreational fishing and I believe that the push for this is coming from some so-called environmental groups. I'm sure you are aware that recreational fishing and boating in the South East generates a huge amount of tax dollars and lures tourists who in turn boost the local economy.
    Can you please outline your party's stance on this issue for me. I'm a loyal Labor voter but if closing parts of Moreton Bay to recreational fishing is a Labor proposal, I'm afraid I will exercise my vote against any such proposal.
    Please keep in mind that the wealthy will not be affected as they will continue to take their large craft offshore but the not so wealthy small boat owner might as well cash in their boat and look for another form of recreation.
    & got a phone call and the following response:
    further to our conversation this morning outlined below is the current policy regarding recreational fishing in Moreton Bay.

    No ban on recreational fishing in Moreton Bay

    The Beattie Government will not ban recreational fishing in Moreton Bay,
    Environment Minister Desley Boyle said today.

    “We will guarantee access to Moreton bay for recreational fishers.

    “The Marine Park zoning plan has to be reviewed after 10 years, the review is due in 2008, and hasn’t even started yet.

    “People who enjoy fishing should not be alarmed by a scare campaign.

    “Mums and Dads and families who like to throw in a line can be assured that we will guarantee access for recreational fishing

    “Our review will be open and transparent and based on science.

    “Labor has a proven track record in looking after people who fish.

    “In the lead up to the recent rezoning of the Great Sandy Marine Park, a similar fear campaign was mounted and proved untrue. We guaranteed continued access for fishers - with 96% of the Marine Park available to recreational fishers.

    “Labor knows how loved Moreton Bay is and we reassure fishers they will always be a part of this paradise on Brisbane’s doorstep,” Ms Boyle said.





  8. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGG

    No ban on recreational fishing in Moreton Bay

    The Beattie Government will not ban recreational fishing in Moreton Bay,
    Environment Minister Desley Boyle said today.

    “We will guarantee access to Moreton bay for recreational fishers.

    “Labor has a proven track record in looking after people who fish.

    So.... How do you feel about these promises BGG (and anyone else)? What are the promises? You can have access to the Bay... yes thats right - but how much? Do you have access to the entire bay right now? No you dont... Can you fish flat rock anymore?

    But you still have access to the bay - even if they close 100% of all fishing activities - you can still have access to the bay - you just cant fish in it. But we know they wont close the whole bay - thats absurd - just the 30% that has any sort of fish population. You dont have to close the whole bay to lock out 90% of the fishing areas... just have a look at it on the weekend - the whole bay isnt full of boats - just certain areas - the ones that hold fish.

    The promises are empty and arent worth the 0's and 1's they're printed with (IT joke) as for labors record on looking after people who fish... well that must be a labor joke..... just ask the fishos in Hervey Bay how they feel - or the guys who used to fish the other green zones.

    This is my first real season on the bay and I love it... but now it looks like I wont get the chance to explore half the areas I have heard so much about. No they wont ban recreational fishing... just close the areas where we want to fish. This promise is just like Beattie saying He hadnt decided on an election date on Monday night - when the announcement was already in the mail... You just cant trust them!! Go TFP!!


  9. #84
    DaveSue_Fishos_Two
    Guest

    Re: Moreton Bay Closures - what's happening?

    Adam, you are even starting to sound like a pollie. Your quote of what I said earlier was not specifically addressed to you at all if anyone would care to read what I posted. You have created that yourself .

    Dave

  10. #85
    DaveSue_Fishos_Two
    Guest

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    Pinhead, Is that the same Bill Ludwig (spelling?) who is Mayor of Livingstone Shire? That is local govt. When was he an MLA?

    Dave

  11. #86

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    Things are starting to get a little pear shaped here.

    In real terms who stuffed the GBR? ANSWER the LIBERALS at the Federal level. Why should they be any different at a state level.

    Why would any fisherman want to support liberals. Lets me honest, in rel terms beattie will win the state election. If you support liberals you will not have a voice in parliament.

    Labor have committed not to stop recreational fishing in moreton bay. Sure some might have objected to they way they have said it but in reality if you support Liberal you will have no say on fishing in moreton bay.

    If you vote Labor at least you are guaranteed you will be involved in the final outcome.

    Hicksy

  12. #87

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    I think shutting down 1/10 fishing spots is not so bad, yes 80% is a
    bit much. The fair thing would 50%, and the benefits are, all the fish
    etc, will have a refuge to grow and multiple, and once they have grown
    and start to look for their own territorys, they will be big and fat,
    and this is what all fisherpeople want. And this I think is sustainable
    fish stocks management.
    Again this is only my opinion.


    signed tunaman

  13. #88

    Re: Moreton Bay Closures - what's happening?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reel Nauti
    Adam, you are even starting to sound like a pollie. Your quote of what I said earlier was not specifically addressed to you at all if anyone would care to read what I posted. You have created that yourself .

    Dave
    Hey Dave.... I didnt take it personally mate, I know what you said and what you meant by it - I know you meant no harm to me... its OK... really I promise - I'm just saying - if I enter a fight - like I have chosen to enter this one - then I'm prepared to take the consequences. Like I said Dave - I think you're doing a great job - keep it up, your comments are valid and I'm taking each one on board because it gives me the fuel I need to help develop strategy to help in this campaign any way I can. So is that OK?? Its not about me anyway... its much bigger than that... its about our fishing future. I have only just started in the boating game - I've been fishing all my life - but I just cant explain to you the joy I get out of boating and fishing and now some tree hugging, hairy armpitted, vegan greenie wants to take that away from me. Thats why I refuse: to back down, accept reality, theres no use, the opposition have no answers, play it fair etc etc ..type of attitudes.... Other people can have them - if so thats their right and they should keep it to themselves - this topic is about what we CAN do to protect our rights... not what we cant or wont do.

    So if I sound a little militant or forceful about it - then I DONT apologise for that. If you see my comments on other topics - I am quite light and jovial - I dont try to sound like I know everything cause I dont. But in this topic - I know a little - mostly through hard earned experience. I care and I want to see that something gets done thats positive - thats why I am here and thats my contribution - anybody can knock me as much as they want but it wont change the way I feel or act on this issue. So Dave - once more mate - no problems - my only concern on this topic is to keep it on topic and working on what we CAN do...

    My comments were not to be construed as a personal attack on you or anyone else... just trying to state the conviction of my beliefs - hope you can accept that... and yes if thats the perception - I have created that myself and I can live with it. Thanks!

    Oh and to answer your question regarding Bill Ludwig... must be a different man. Bill Ludwig is/was National President and Queensland state secretary of the Australian Workers' Union (AWU), one of Australia's oldest and largest unions. It could be said that the AWU Faction dominates the Queensland branch of the Australian Labor Party but Pinhead may know more about this than me. Bill is/was also a member of the ALP National Executive and Vice President of the ALP's Queensland Branch. I think his son Joe, is a QLD ALP Senator.


  14. #89

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunaman
    I think shutting down 1/10 fishing spots is not so bad, yes 80% is a
    bit much. The fair thing would 50%, and the benefits are, all the fish
    etc, will have a refuge to grow and multiple, and once they have grown
    and start to look for their own territorys, they will be big and fat,
    and this is what all fisherpeople want. And this I think is sustainable
    fish stocks management.
    Again this is only my opinion.


    signed tunaman
    Does someone else want to get this one??? I'm going fishing - while I still can - cause I know for a fact - my corner of the 50% is gonna get shut down - then I'm gunna come over and fish in your 50%.


  15. #90

    Re: Moreton Bay Closures - what's happening?

    Addam Australia is a island, we are surounded by water. You are trying to tell me, that shutting down 1/10 in your area, and the one area
    is only 50% shut down, this is going to affect your fishing?
    Well can see your not happy about it , but who is.




    signed tunaman

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