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    The Titanic was doomed from the start

    did any one catch that doco the other day about the new evidence that suggested the Titanic was on fire the day it set its voyage.

    it all came about after a photo album detailing the days maiden launch was discovered after a hundreds years and appeared to show a 30 foot burn mark on the starboard side near where it was split open by the iceberg.
    story suggested that the coal was loaded 3 weeks before and may have been smuldering unoticed in the coal bunkers until smoke was seen on the day it departed. cruising at 23 knots in ice berg territory was questionable but was presummed that they feared they might run out of coal before it reaching its destination, off course other things like the steel quality etc was questionable too .

    hey was clive palmer getting chinese ship builders to make a replica

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    True

    Is Chinese version still happening?
    What could go wrong.......................

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    Quote Originally Posted by catshark View Post
    did any one catch that doco the other day about the new evidence that suggested the Titanic was on fire the day it set its voyage.

    it all came about after a photo album detailing the days maiden launch was discovered after a hundreds years and appeared to show a 30 foot burn mark on the starboard side near where it was split open by the iceberg.
    story suggested that the coal was loaded 3 weeks before and may have been smuldering unoticed in the coal bunkers until smoke was seen on the day it departed. cruising at 23 knots in ice berg territory was questionable but was presummed that they feared they might run out of coal before it reaching its destination, off course other things like the steel quality etc was questionable too .

    hey was clive palmer getting chinese ship builders to make a replica
    making a replica of Clive 😀
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    it was common to have bunker fires on steam ships, sometimes the bunker was flooded to extinguish the fire and then drained
    or people were sent into use the smouldering coal first then doused the main part of the fire

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    Not even close to being new news.....this was well documented before the ship set sail. Bunker fires were not uncommon or particularly dangerous in those days. It was normal practice to deal with them.
    Jack.

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    making a replica of Clive 

    Fark I hope not.

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    Quote Originally Posted by tunaticer View Post
    Not even close to being new news.....this was well documented before the ship set sail. Bunker fires were not uncommon or particularly dangerous in those days. It was normal practice to deal with them.
    yeah turns out their was 11 labourers allocated to deal with these issues. used to see the coal mines up in upper hunter just a little smoke comin out not much

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    making a replica of Clive 😀
    Not enough resources for that but we could probably harness the hot air, in all likely hood though it's probably a smokescreen like every thing else he does.

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    It seems that the fire in that particular bunker couldn't be extinguished as they had to get the majority of the coal out first to get at the base of the fire.

    But they had to have somewhere to put the excess coal to get at the bunker base where the fire was.

    The only place was to feed it into the furnaces.

    That produced more steam for the turbines and to reduce the steam pressure, they had to use the steam by increasing speed OR release the steam from safety valves. They chose to increase speed not wanting to inconvenience the important guests on the Titanic's maiden voyage.

    The max efficient cruising speed of the vessel was given as 23 knots (probably hull speed) so it was going pretty fast when there had been reports of icebergs.

    The bunker fire had affected the steel bunker walls and the wall towards the bow was badly affected and buckled from the heat.

    After striking the iceberg the Titanic started to fill from the bow. The front compartments filled to the top with seawater and overflowed into the next secure compartment towards the stern. One after the other.

    Eventually the incoming seawater slowed as the compartments filled one by one until the seawater came to the last compartment before the boiler room.

    Being damaged from the heat of the bunker fire up against it, the steel wall gave way and the seawater from the bow compartments flowed into the boiler and engine rooms.

    That was it. Down she went.

    Or so the doco goes.

    After the Titanic's avoidable huge loss of life in April 1912, the International Maritime Organisation (IMO) cobbled together some rules called the SOLAS convention (Safety of Life at Sea) regarding standards for safety equipment, safety procedures and wireless watchkeeping arrangements.

    It was morse code wireless in those days (not voice wireless) and the international morse code signal for distress was a code group of 3 letters at the start of a distress call.

    No...it wasn't SOS (..._ _ _...) as most think.

    It was CQD. (_._. _ _._ _..) with CQ being a general call to all stations followed by the letter D ( _.. meaning Distress). It meant "hello all stations I am in distress".

    It was changed much later to SOS and DIDN"T mean save our souls as most think either.

    The letters SOS simply easily rolled off the morse key and were run together to produce a distinctive sound which couldn't be mistaken for any other sound. If the morse key also produced the canary warbling sound (chirp) it was even more distinctive. Where have we heard about CHIRP before?

    Morse operators could transmit at 25 words per minute (or faster if necessary).

    The last distress situation in which morse code was used (on the international distress freq of 500khz) that I listened to was that involving the Cherry Venture that went ashore on the beach south of Double Island Point in a cyclone (1974 or so I think).

    Brisbane Radio (VIB) was kept busy that night.

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    Re: The Titanic was doomed from the start

    hmm....not sure about the weakened wall theory.....Andrews the designer of the ship was on the ship and is known to have advised the captain shortly after soundings were taken in the flooding compartments,that the ship would sink in two hours or so.The compartment bulkheads did not all go full height and the tear in the hull flooded and I forget..3 of the 4 ...4 of the 5 of them ...anyway the ship was doomed...

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