I think the real history was, Telwater bought a few smaller brands, they continued Bermuda and Savage, Bermuda is a copy of the Quintrex, you still see Bermuda "Mangrove" that was exactly the same as an old Hornet, I think the other brands (like Allycraft) they just killed the brand, can't remember when Stacer arrived, I don't think Telwater made any Allycraft.