Yeah it was...no one is throwing sh1t at you, it's just simply this topic is unwinnable (is that a word?) all parties have differing views, neither is fully wrong or right, and no one is going to bend, so, popcorn it is, this might take over from the 4 stroke V 2 stroke as the most divided question. I said way back, it's all a very emotive issue, data is sketchy at best, but there's nothing else better.