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    Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    So the Sus. Fishing Strategy 2017 to 2027 is out. How many millions of dollars did this cost for so little to show for it .The title says it all. The State Qld State Labour Government now shows it's obvious hatred for commercial fisherman. I have been told the State A.L.P. employed the mob that destroyed the New Zealand commercial fisheries by getting rid of all of the small to medium family fishing business and only left the huge corporate type businesses. This is socialism & cronyism at it's very worst. The only sensible aspects of this strategy is 20 more fisheries officers , but really this could have been accomplished by using the existing f/o in a better way. It would be good to see a crackdown on rec blackmarket fishing which is in plague proportions.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Perhaps someone should tell the A.L.P. that socialism doesn't actually work, that only North Korea alone stands with them & that even Russia & China have given up on socialism.
    How about the A.L.P - JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, - This strategy will only loose jobs in the commercial fishing industry & all of the flow on businesses that will be affected. Half of the State A.L.P. want to ban coal mining in Qld. All of this is just to keep their green mates appeased. Just look at desal. plants that have never been used, sewerage lines to fill up dams for drinking water ,failed dam sites that were never used or in the right spot to be used .How about the huge cost of all of this & the families & businesses destroyed by their inept meddling. Everything the A.L.P touches it stuffs up.& they think the bucket of money tops itself up by magic .
    So the poor commercial fisherman has to pay for - Removal of latent effort.
    Buy another symbol to keep fishing ( $15,000.00 TO $160,000.00 )
    Pay $20,000.00 each for VMS for the primary boat & all tenders .
    Pay extra fees per year.
    Well that will cost $200,000.00 per year for the first couple of years , & all of this from a small family business that might make $100,00.00 on a good year.
    BUT THE REC. FISHERMAN PAYS NOTHING - THERE MUST BE AN ELECTION COMMING ON.
    Why not put an extra tax on importers of fishing tackle. The imports of which I estimate has gone up by over 1000% in the last 15 years . They make huge profits out of fishing , but put very little back in . They only seem to lobby to get rid of their supposed opposition , the family commercial fisherman, who can do bugger all in response.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    how much is recreational fishing worth to the Qld economy ?


    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    These changes are supposed to make fisheries resources better it has nothing to do with economy it's about reducing meat being taken out of the ocean and going by these changes commercials are screwed your average commercial in nsw is getting screwed out about $15000 to continue past the first of July.

    Then conbine that with the blatant disregard with the latent effort in rec fishing and total anihalation of the commercial sector in Qld your average commercial is gonna be out of pocket another $20000 not to mention the new national system fees kicking in next month another $4000 in fees annually for me,we are stuffed and what do recs get a golden handshake to slaughterer at will bloody disgusting.

    Bow your head in shame fisheries you deserve every bit of obuse coming your way you pricks.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    I believe all these $'s are thrown in the wrong direction for our fishery.

    I know the commercial guys are currently heavily scrutinized and a bucket load of compliance needed. Way more than is necessary.

    This is doing nothing to assist the fishery.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Heavily scrutinized - There are more rules against commercial fisherman in Qld. than there is for a a pig salesman in Mecca.
    Most of these heinous crimes usually incur a fine of $500.00 to$2000.00.
    Arriving early (EVEN 1 minute ) when a line fisher has phoned in his time of arrival in the RQ Fishery.
    Not having a leaving ship station in any vessel - even a 12 foot dingy.
    Not having a full set of QF logbooks on board & up to date -even though they will get wet through on most dingys.
    A full SMS (SAFETY MANAGMENT SYSTEM ) filled out every day must be on board EVERY boat.
    A daily log of the vessel must be kept & filled out every day for every vessel. Not to be confused with the QF logbooks which are another record .
    Plus, the best part - the QF FEES which must be paid , which keep going up every year , plus new AMSA FEES which will be in conjunction with (Survey - another $2000.00) . And if the commercial fisher has any money left the bare minimum that a commercial fishing boat can be covered for insurance will cost $7000.00 PLUS PER YEAR.
    Rec fishers pay what - $300.00 per year for boat & trailer rego. You must admit there is a bit of a difference.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Calls to change fishing regulations for cities, including Gold Coast as anglers decimate stock


    Nicholas McElroy, Gold Coast Bulletin
    May 27, 2017 12:00am


    THE huge number of recreational anglers on the Gold Coast is straining fish stocks and tighter size and bag limits are needed, says a leading researcher.

    Associate Professor Dr Daryl McPhee says the current statewide fishing regulations do not take account of the pressures up to 1.4 million anglers nationally are putting on waterways close to major urban centres.
    The Bond University academic headed research recently published in scientific journal Sustainability.

    Angler and Bond University researcher Dr Daryl McPhee.Dr McPhee said individual fishery management plans were needed for large cities close to the waterways such as the Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.
    With Australian anglers forking out $650 million each year on fishing tackle alone, Dr McPhee said new management plans for coastal capital cities was crucial to preserve the positive environmental and economic impacts of the sport.
    “The management of recreational fisheries has lagged behind that of its commercial counterpart, and given the specific circumstances associated with urban coastal recreational fisheries, a rethink of management strategies for these important environments is required,” Dr McPhee said.

    Gold Coast Sun's players Rory Thompson (black shorts) and Matt Shaw like the quiet life of fishing when they are not at training and playing AFL footy. Photo: David ClarkThe scientist and keen angler said the new plans would include changes in minimum legal sizes and bag limits and better management of fisheries habitats.
    “These plans need to work across all levels of government in order to deliver integrated and evidence-based management that addresses important issues including habitat creation and restoration, such as artificial reefs, coastal infrastructure, ensuring safe recreational fishing access, and stock enhancement.”
    Dr McPhee said fishing was an important leisure activity which promoted a healthy lifestyle, social interaction and respect for nature.
    “It also provides children with opportunities to connect with the environment and economic benefits to coastal communities,” he said.

    “Recreational fishing is an essential driver of the science on aquatic animals and habitats, and an important tangible reason for many members of the public to conserve and protect aquatic resources.”
    While there had been major upheaval within commercial fisheries in recent years and constant debate about shark control, Dr McPhee said recreational fishing regulations had barely changed in years.
    “Despite the paramount importance of recreational fishing and the role of urban habitats, there has been little specific consideration given to the management of these important ecosystems.”

    Why do idiots that you hate continually like your posts?

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Why not a tax for the importers , wholesalers & retailers of this explosion of angling gear sales - to be spent on restocking programmes for salt water fisheries.
    Not to go to general revenue , but be spent on restocking , bypassing the green movement & their multitude of fees & costs which are made up as they go along .
    This is something the rex hunt brigade never states - the huge expanding population of rec fishers that has not been touched by any government in Australia .
    Years ago only the rec fisher was the poorest of the poor , now it seems the silvertail species has taken over and demanding the best tackle. the best boats that money can buy, and they want it all to themselves.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Quote Originally Posted by insidermb View Post
    Why not a tax for the importers , wholesalers & retailers of this explosion of angling gear sales - to be spent on restocking programmes for salt water fisheries.
    Not to go to general revenue , but be spent on restocking , bypassing the green movement & their multitude of fees & costs which are made up as they go along .
    This is something the rex hunt brigade never states - the huge expanding population of rec fishers that has not been touched by any government in Australia .
    Years ago only the rec fisher was the poorest of the poor , now it seems the silvertail species has taken over and demanding the best tackle. the best boats that money can buy, and they want it all to themselves.
    And that my friend is exactly why the focus should be on the best outcomes for recreational anglers . More money is spent by recreational anglers that would come from the sale of seafood .
    Netting in particular is one form of professional fishing that needs to go .....

    The thing that really should be noted is that these days a big chunk of the seafood sold in Australia is imported anyhow ..... the best of the local seafood is exported .

    But as for the tackle industry .... the rapid growth has seen a nice boost to government coffers via GST .

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    And that my friend is exactly why the focus should be on the best outcomes for recreational anglers . More money is spent by recreational anglers that would come from the sale of seafood .
    Netting in particular is one form of professional fishing that needs to go .....

    The thing that really should be noted is that these days a big chunk of the seafood sold in Australia is imported anyhow ..... the best of the local seafood is exported .

    But as for the tackle industry .... the rapid growth has seen a nice boost to government coffers via GST .

    Chris
    But you missed the entire point of this S.F.S. - It is to cut down the amount of fish killed. There is a huge population of rec fisherman , far more than ever before. Why is it their right to have commercial net fisherman culled. Rec fisherman take far more than commercial net fishers . The one net fishery that they all seem to hate is the mesh net fishery , which is the most benign way of net fishing, being very selective in its operation as for the size & species sought. I will bet no one reading this has ever seen a mesh netting shot up close .The mesh nets do not take the amount of fish that some rec fisherman seem to think . A mesh net will allow all undersize fish to go through & larger fish will not mesh up & go around the net. Compare this to a tunnel net which kills a huge amount of fish , & even trawling which does catch a lot of fish at times , but I like a good feed of prawns as well .The problem here is the stupidity of the Q.F. rules which will not allow a prawn trawler to keep any fish at all. Also ,how about the people who like to eat fish , but do not go fishing , you want to condemn them to eating rubbish fish from overseas & not have a choice to eat the Australian fish of their choice.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Yet to meet a commercial that exports any product caught only ones I hear about are the larger companies that are offshore owned as far as local fisherman it gets sold locally yet they'll be the only ones culled out with the rules and local seafood will only be reachable by the black market which at present makes up probably the bulk of seafood eaten anyway.
    As far as these latest rule changes are concerned its conveniently been timed not to piss off recreational fishing votes in time for the next federal election as usual and smart you are the only way for commercials to compete with their measly 1500 or so licenses owned in Qld in to unite but that will mean little compared to the recreational fishing millions that is their political competition.
    If something is not done fishing in Qld and nsw is stuffed recs only have to kill one fish a trip to annihilate the fishery there are that many now, the problem is now most are expert anglers with the best boats,gear technology and fish limits allow recs to get mixed catches of hundreds of kg's of fish and a high proportion do well in excess of what is needed and if that's not bad enough catch and releases with high mortality rates as they are would kill hundreds and thousands of tonnes annually the rec fishery is just one big wrecking ball with no end in sight.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Quote Originally Posted by samson View Post
    Yet to meet a commercial that exports any product caught only ones I hear about are the larger companies that are offshore owned as far as local fisherman it gets sold locally yet they'll be the only ones culled out with the rules and local seafood will only be reachable by the black market which at present makes up probably the bulk of seafood eaten anyway.
    As far as these latest rule changes are concerned its conveniently been timed not to piss off recreational fishing votes in time for the next federal election as usual and smart you are the only way for commercials to compete with their measly 1500 or so licenses owned in Qld in to unite but that will mean little compared to the recreational fishing millions that is their political competition.
    If something is not done fishing in Qld and nsw is stuffed recs only have to kill one fish a trip to annihilate the fishery there are that many now, the problem is now most are expert anglers with the best boats,gear technology and fish limits allow recs to get mixed catches of hundreds of kg's of fish and a high proportion do well in excess of what is needed and if that's not bad enough catch and releases with high mortality rates as they are would kill hundreds and thousands of tonnes annually the rec fishery is just one big wrecking ball with no end in sight.
    What a load of horse shit.


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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gon Fishun View Post
    What a load of horse shit.
    What don't you agree with champ if most pros in se Qld and nsw make a living most of the time on less than a rec limit what quantity does that make the rec take don't have to be a genius I would think.Do your research on and off the water and have a look what's happening not good and wrecking ball is growing and with it its political power and qsia and other representation for commercials has no hope of stopping your rec fleet.

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    I've seen the results of netting ..... bycatch & indiscriminate killing . I've seen the undersized tailor litter the inside of Fraser Island after a days fishing. Another example was when the impoundments overflowed - the commercial guys netted the systems as soon as they could - what was caught went to market & was rejected . Any one with half a brain would know that these barramundi would be no good & instead of letting them be to eventually help with local recruitment ...... in came the pros & removed something like 300 tonne (Boyne River)
    The other point is that netting can decimate an area for days if not weeks at a time .
    It is also well known that once commercial netting has been removed from an area the fish stocks & recreational fishing improves dramatically.

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Re: Sus . ( sustainable ) fishing strategy. 2017 - 2027.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie123 View Post
    Calls to change fishing regulations for cities, including Gold Coast as anglers decimate stock




    Nicholas McElroy, Gold Coast Bulletin
    May 27, 2017 12:00am


    THE huge number of recreational anglers on the Gold Coast is straining fish stocks and tighter size and bag limits are needed, says a leading researcher.

    Associate Professor Dr Daryl McPhee says the current statewide fishing regulations do not take account of the pressures up to 1.4 million anglers nationally are putting on waterways close to major urban centres.
    The Bond University academic headed research recently published in scientific journal Sustainability.

    Angler and Bond University researcher Dr Daryl McPhee.Dr McPhee said individual fishery management plans were needed for large cities close to the waterways such as the Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.
    With Australian anglers forking out $650 million each year on fishing tackle alone, Dr McPhee said new management plans for coastal capital cities was crucial to preserve the positive environmental and economic impacts of the sport.
    “The management of recreational fisheries has lagged behind that of its commercial counterpart, and given the specific circumstances associated with urban coastal recreational fisheries, a rethink of management strategies for these important environments is required,” Dr McPhee said.

    Gold Coast Sun's players Rory Thompson (black shorts) and Matt Shaw like the quiet life of fishing when they are not at training and playing AFL footy. Photo: David ClarkThe scientist and keen angler said the new plans would include changes in minimum legal sizes and bag limits and better management of fisheries habitats.
    “These plans need to work across all levels of government in order to deliver integrated and evidence-based management that addresses important issues including habitat creation and restoration, such as artificial reefs, coastal infrastructure, ensuring safe recreational fishing access, and stock enhancement.”
    Dr McPhee said fishing was an important leisure activity which promoted a healthy lifestyle, social interaction and respect for nature.
    “It also provides children with opportunities to connect with the environment and economic benefits to coastal communities,” he said.

    “Recreational fishing is an essential driver of the science on aquatic animals and habitats, and an important tangible reason for many members of the public to conserve and protect aquatic resources.”
    While there had been major upheaval within commercial fisheries in recent years and constant debate about shark control, Dr McPhee said recreational fishing regulations had barely changed in years.
    “Despite the paramount importance of recreational fishing and the role of urban habitats, there has been little specific consideration given to the management of these important ecosystems.”

    Rec fisherman certainly don't like it when actual facts from a real scientist are shown to them. They prefer the conjured up lies from their A.L.P. & Green party snake oil salesmen.

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