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  1. #31

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Quote Originally Posted by chris69 View Post
    What gets me Scott is that the netters have been there many many decades before you arrived in hervey bay, so whats changed from them netting back then to now?.

    They stopped netting mackerel in hervey bay a long time ago so were's all the mackerel now there not turning up in moreton bay like they use too you would think that when you stop the netting there would be more.
    1. This is not unique to Harvey Bay, Mackerel follow the bait fish, no bait fish, no Mackerel, bait are more sensitive to environmental changes especially in population growth areas, so ask why not of the Mackerel but why not of the bait fish.

    2. Similar with prawns, trawlers were stopped years ago but the prawns have never come back, again what self respecting prawn wants to live in a chemical ridden sludge pond

  2. #32

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    I suppose we should get one thing straight. The Yellow Zone is a no commercial fishing zone, end of story. To have a Red Cross hatched Yellow zone smacks of Nepotism or similar circumstance. IMO.

    You are right Kev, I doubt we will ever have consensus from Tourism, Commercial and Recreational Fishers and we will never stamp out the Black Market ( unless Magistrates get fair dinkum ).

    I do not know the answer and apparently nor does the Government.

    The tourism industry is massive and can grow, supporting not only communities but the whole State. Recreational fishing shits on commercial fishing as far as economic benefit goes and Commercial fishing is absolutely necessary for a number of reasons.

    Having said all that, I still fear for the fishery and the fact we do ###k all to help it. Call them farmers, but do they sow to reap the benefits ? NO. Having bag limits, size limits, seasonal closures etc is a band-aid approach to sustainable fisheries.

    Weeding out non discriminating netting is a start. But what are actually doing to help the fishery ? Nothing , well very little.

    Why is this so. We legislate when a fishery reaches a non sustainable level with bag limits, size limits. We are doing NOTHING to enhance the fishery, NOTHING to grow it, NOTHING to protect it.

    Why did the Politicians go MIA on the green zone issues by not including estuaries, creeks, foreshores, mangroves and so much more ?

    Why has bugger all been done in relation to fertilizer run off and dredging and indeed removal of large areas in Moreton Bay covered in seagrass ?

    One of the most successful and proven methods of fishery re-building and sustainability is Artificial Reefs. Cost benefit analysis is proven to be a winner on all fronts.

    Increasing human populations, increasing fishing pressure from both the commercial and recreational sectors are stressing our fishery to the max. and NOTHING is being done.

    Green Zones and their ability to create the " spill over effect " have not been proven and in fact there had been good research to prove other wise.

    Western Australia are getting on the artificial reef bandwagon and establishing a great fishery with economic benefit for all stakeholders, we here are in the dark ages and not looking forward. Just biding our time, making meaningless legislation and hoping for the best. NO GOOD ENOUGH.

    so much more to add, time is against me.


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  3. #33

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Except Phil a yellow zone (in a federal marine park) is NOT a no commercial zone. Commercial bait netting, with subsequent by-catch is allowed as is commercial mud crab fishing. A state based yellow zone has no real protection and should never have been called a yellow zone in the first place. Just another example of inept management by Department of Environment trying to become defacto fisheries managers. They have the reverse midas touch. Everything they touch turns to s$#t. You are right about not being "farmers" in that nothing is put back in, my analogy however was about farmers at least having to care for the land if they want to keep harvesting a crop. Small, locally based commercial fishers, or at least some of them, do take that approach but are often squeezed out by blow ins. The whole rec/pro argument has and will go on forever with the fishery the victim along the way. The straight "ban the nets" argument clearly has popular appeal, and, as a consequence, political appeal but I personally get sick of politics being about what is popular instead of what is right. Maybe why I am a "failed" politician. =)

  4. #34

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    What everyone has forgotten about is that we have white spot in moreton bay now because of the attitude of lets kick the trawlers out with out thinking of the effects of imports to fill the demand,this is the direct result of crusaders thinking there wright and not what might happen if we do.

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    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Chris the imports would have been coming in regardless of how many trawlers were and are operating.
    The white spot is the direct result of poor control in regards to quality of imports if that is how it arrived in the waters. There is no relation and none should be drawn between these two topics.

  6. #36

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    TO CLARIFY what WILL BE EFFECTED by "Correcting" our Great Sandy Marine Park & debunk some of the propaganda from the commercial sector :-


    REMOVING the "anomaly" that is the Great Sandy Designated Area ( Red Cross Hatching on our Yellow Zones ) WILL NOT EFFECT :-


    * Trawler fishing - Which mostly ALL occurs outside of the Great Sandy Designated Area ( with exception a couple of beam trawl operators )


    * Prawns – Otter Trawling ALL occurs outside of the Great Sandy Designated Area ( with exception a couple of beam trawl operators & some stripe nets in the Mary River )


    * Scallops & bugs - Which ALL occurs outside of the Great Sandy Designated Area


    * Spanner crabs – which are harvested outside of the Great Sandy Area


    * Fish and prawns farmed commercially in Queensland


    * Commercial Line Fishing IE: Mackerel , trout etc.


    * The FCFA would support commercial line fishing in the Great Sandy Area by “long term local operators” on a Permit & quota basis.


    * The FCFA supports ‘ Continued commercial crabbing in the Great Sandy Area by “long term local operators” on a Permit & quota basis .


    IT WILL EFFECT & REMOVE Commercial Gill Netting !


    The commercial sector will boast the current Great Sandy Designated Area also allows Recreational fishers to use three lines or rods per person with a combined total of six hooks when fishing in this area.


    Recreational fishers in TRUE conservation park (Yellow) zones in the Moreton Bay Marine Park are able to use up to two hand-held rods or handlines per fisher, with no more than two hooks in total for each fisher. There are also six rivers and creeks in the State Great Barrier Reef Coast Marine Park Zoning Plan allow the use of two lines and hooks.


    The Fraser Coast Fishing Alliance will be insisting that recreational anglers will be allowed up to two hand-held rods or handlines per fisher, with no more than two hooks in total for each fisher once the Great Sandy Marine Park is "corrected" and the Great Sandy Designated Area is REMOVED in-line with the current full term – 10 year review !

    Sign the petition here - https://www.change.org/p/dr-steven-m...dy-marine-park

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  7. #37

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Scott, for what its worth. I would substitute the words "long term local operators", with "commercial fishers with a demonstrated and substantial history within the fishery" and specifically ban new entries into the fishery. You might also want to word in "In the event a commercial operator with a local permit wishes to sell his permit, first right of refusal, at market rate, is offered to the responsible government agency." A buy out, over time.

    You need to leave open generational hand over of license from father to son (yes, or daughter for the SJW police) and also allow those who hold, what is ultimately a valuable asset, to be able to recoup the value of this asset when they retire but outlaw the leasing of licenses to other operators. This will be predicated by a true value being attached to a "buy out". No point saying a blokes license is worth $200K if he can lease it for $25 or $30K a year. Most pros don't have super. The ability to live off the lease return value of their license may be really important to them long term. To earn $30K in interest you need a bank deposit of $700K.

    Also needs to be a point, maybe well into the future where, if the level of commercial activity has reduced to a point where local supply can not be met and the fishery is fine, that fisheries can sell off one (or more) of the cancelled licenses.

    Your argument about how many rods/lines/hooks is just clouding the water. It should not matter how much gear a fisher has. His take is capped by bag limits. If he uses 1 rod or 5 he can still only take what he is allowed. Bit like being told to have a game of golf but only take 3 clubs. Is the purpose to reduce take, or lessen enjoyment?

    Your efforts in pulling on this task are commendable but don't go down the "anti pro path". Sensible compromise and working to protect the rights and livelihoods of local commercial fishers will generally be supported but the straight out "ban the nets" will not, nor, IMO, should it be. Again, better outcomes by local focus, local seafood supply, ban the targeting or capture of specific species which have low commercial but high recreational value.

    Other final issue is, as discussed previously, the politics of this, and what is right will not necessarily be what is politically expedient.

  8. #38

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Quote Originally Posted by jackson4300 View Post
    Chris the imports would have been coming in regardless of how many trawlers were and are operating.
    The white spot is the direct result of poor control in regards to quality of imports if that is how it arrived in the waters. There is no relation and none should be drawn between these two topics.
    No thats not how i see it Jackson take away the local fresh product and that puts a higher demand for imports to fill the local supply, every time these sorts of thinks are put into play it never goes the way everyone expects it too,just look at the zoneing in the hervey and moreton bay now.

  9. #39

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    KC - we'll leave the finer details up to the commercial sector & FQ to finalise - the commercial operators we have spoken with would like to see regional zoning across the state as well.

    Still amazes me that we have shared the details on this petition across ALL of the major Qld rec fishing forums , facebook pages and individuals with high profiles and we still only have 2300 odd signatures . Apathy across our sector is unbelievable - they all winge at the boat ramp and pub BUT ask them to spend a minute to support & protect their passion .......

    Scotto
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  10. #40

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Welcome to the world of fishing politics. I took a view "in the day" that one of the main reasons we go fishing is to get away from the usual pressures of modern life......politics included, and trying to get fishos to become politically motivated is a big ask. Can be done, was done to a degree, but it take an awful lot of time and effort. Really hard to get your average bloke to put his name to something he knows will upset someone else. Most people are fair minded and recreational fishing is often about much more than how many fish we catch. Get your wording "right" and you might get a lot more support. IMO.

  11. #41

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT NOW !

    We will NEED more than 2500 signatures - Apathy across our sector is one of our major challenges !

    Please sign THIS Petition and share with your friends & Contacts if you want to see Commercial NETTING removed from the following areas :-

    * Baffle Creek & tributaries
    * The Elliott River & tributaries
    * The Burrum River & tributaries
    * The Mary River & tributaries

    * The Great Sandy Strait and Tin Can Bay Inlet

    The Full Term Review of our Great Sandy Marine Park is currently in Phase One & we NEED a show of support to STOP Commercial Netting in the above areas by removing the "anomaly" that is the "Great Sandy Designated Area" - which DOES NOT EXIST in ANY other marine park by the 5th of June 2017 !

    Sign Here - It takes less than a minute - https://www.change.org/p/dr-steven-m...dy-marine-park

    Regards Scotto

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  12. #42

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    have you been pushing this through facebook at all?

    the reason I ask is that I haven't come across anything on fb about this.
    online forums these days become mostly readers, fb has more active involvement

    Isn't there any famous fishing character supporting this? like Paul Worsteling or others
    If he alone pushes a single 20sec video on his fb with his wife wearing a nice top, you will get 10k signers within the day

    I don't see the marketing behind your purpose

    Max

  13. #43

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mitchell View Post
    WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT NOW !

    We will NEED more than 2500 signatures - Apathy across our sector is one of our major challenges !

    Please sign THIS Petition and share with your friends & Contacts if you want to see Commercial NETTING removed from the following areas :-

    * Baffle Creek & tributaries
    * The Elliott River & tributaries
    * The Burrum River & tributaries
    * The Mary River & tributaries

    * The Great Sandy Strait and Tin Can Bay Inlet

    The Full Term Review of our Great Sandy Marine Park is currently in Phase One & we NEED a show of support to STOP Commercial Netting in the above areas by removing the "anomaly" that is the "Great Sandy Designated Area" - which DOES NOT EXIST in ANY other marine park by the 5th of June 2017 !

    Sign Here - It takes less than a minute - https://www.change.org/p/dr-steven-m...dy-marine-park

    Regards Scotto

    I have a better idea ,why don't we sign a petition to get you out of your business or job or whatever you do .We should get some slimy M.P.to think it is a good idea to get some dirty votes by getting rid of your occupation by just stopping you right now & to offer you 1 or 2 years of your average wage as so called compensation. Of course you will have to pay tax on this compensation .If you have say $ 200,000 or $300,000 worth of gear that is just usefull for your occupation alone, sorry - no compensation - you will just have to dump it or give it away , as no one will want to buy it. That sounds like a great petition - Where do I sign.

  14. #44

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Guy has a point!

  15. #45

    Re: STOP Commercial netting in the Great Sandy Marine Park !

    Plenty of locals would be happy to see one less blow in real estate agent in the bay.
    Perhaps having a copy reader or editor who knows how to put together a proper sentence would be a solid start.
    Then get rid of the sensationalist pics of dead dugongs and the manky ghost gill nets that no pro would be seen dead with - people see straight through that and it undermines your cause. Why would a pro leave a net behind? Think about it.
    What was it last week? An adult bass migrated downstream in autumn, triggered by a rain event - one of the most natural things in the world - so ban the pros!
    Before that it's agreeing with crazy dave calcarifer's slippery made up figures. He's just another pro with an agenda.
    You blokes need to be seen to be serving a greater good and not be seen as a group who just wants a private fish pond and that's what it is starting to look like. But we've had this conversation before.

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