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  1. #16

    Re: Wrong Wrong Wrong

    yep, take a very long time with cast net to get 50KG of decent fillets.

  2. #17

    Re: Wrong Wrong Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Noelm View Post
    See how all this sort of thing goes belly up, you see a couple of trawlers, you are told they are Prawn trawlers, but you "bet" they are fish trawlers, the fact is.... you have no idea do you? does not make it right or wrong, but you need to KNOW before any aspersions are cast on any fishing method.
    Just a hunch after watching them for many nights.
    Although not sure what the point is?
    Was a simple statement, prove me wrong then, tell me 100% there are not fish trawlers there?

    Anyway I am not here to wage war with trawlers, I just suggested that the boat trawlers would take more than any beach netter.

    Pretty sure the one I see sitting off the end of Kingscliff wall is not a prawn trawler.


    Dan


  3. #18

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    http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/...splay.php?f=20

    Just a thought but maybe you'd get more value out of this forum MRD........you might be able to figure out all there is to about the job market, aussies, kiwis and trawlers by the sounds of it now. Must be a fun old ride in your head some days........

  4. #19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Toes View Post
    http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/...splay.php?f=20

    Just a thought but maybe you'd get more value out of this forum MRD........you might be able to figure out all there is to about the job market, aussies, kiwis and trawlers by the sounds of it now. Must be a fun old ride in your head some days........
    There is some interesting reading there....

    I think i might make a tinfoil hat and join up to that forum!

  5. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobiaman View Post
    There is some interesting reading there....
    There sure is ..... I like the one about Jewish Freemason Police Chiefs trying to destroy the last profitable business in America - The Escort Business! Here I was thinking it was their job to stamp out illegal prostitution. Hmm silly me .... I'm not very good at this conspiracy thing am I? Best leave it to the experts.

    Anyway to get this thread Back on Topic; Here's a picture of some vac packed mullet fillets in my freezer;
    mullet.jpg

    Probably came from some beach netters, but then could have come from those "3 or 4 Massive boats sitting just offshore every night"? Hard to see how they could be Trawling when they are just sitting there .... in a channel ....... Do I smell a conspiracy? Dunno, as demonstrated, I'm not very good at the whole conspiracy thing. So ....over to you Dan.

    Cheers,
    Jim

  6. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boat Hog View Post
    There sure is ..... I like the one about Jewish Freemason Police Chiefs trying to destroy the last profitable business in America - The Escort Business! Here I was thinking it was their job to stamp out illegal prostitution. Hmm silly me .... I'm not very good at this conspiracy thing am I? Best leave it to the experts.

    Anyway to get this thread Back on Topic; Here's a picture of some vac packed mullet fillets in my freezer;
    mullet.jpg

    Probably came from some beach netters, but then could have come from those "3 or 4 Massive boats sitting just offshore every night"? Hard to see how they could be Trawling when they are just sitting there .... in a channel ....... Do I smell a conspiracy? Dunno, as demonstrated, I'm not very good at the whole conspiracy thing. So ....over to you Dan.

    Cheers,
    I love the one about jesus being the anti-christ!

  7. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudRiverDan View Post
    They make money from the roe, it goes to Japan I'm told.
    from what I seen of it around Pottsville last weekend, it was mostly mullet.

    When I fish off Kingscliff or Black rock beach I always see huge trawlers about 2km out, must be sitting in a channel, someone told me prawns but I'll bet they are fish trawlers too.

    Personally I don't see the point in worrying about beach netters, I am sure the beach netters account for a minimal take compared to the 3 or 4 Massive boats sitting just offshore every night.

    Just wish there was more fish left overall for us.

    Dan
    Dan,
    From the way I see it, after reading several studies and reports into the effects of netting on fish activity and reactions, it should be more controlled.
    Sure, they are only taking mullet but apparently, according to reports, all fish in a netted area will boycott or steer clear of that area for a while after a netting episode due to the fish which were netted letting off distress calls.
    Not sure how true it is but there must be some truth to it as it makes sense

  8. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobiaman View Post
    I love the one about jesus being the anti-christ!
    Yeah that was a good one! Jesus may or may not be the Anti Christ, but I'll tell you one thing ..... He was still a better fisherman than ShaneC!
    Jim

  9. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boat Hog View Post
    Yeah that was a good one! Jesus may or may not be the Anti Christ, but I'll tell you one thing ..... He was still a better fisherman than ShaneC!
    Just found one that says

    "Before this article is finished, it would be a noteworthy addition to state that the Bush family and their many associates are members of a ancient reptilian bloodline, now in humanoid form. Do your research, for the truth awaits you."

    Now that is gold!

  10. #25

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    Well I am not too sure if I am seeing a ghost, but Moe, Larry and Curly are posting here? Incredible!...
    What next I wonder?


  11. #26

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    Watch out - according to the thread entitled "Book of Revalations" there is a very real probability that we will be nuked in 2011 or 2012...

    Oh, wait a minute...

    My, my, there are some real nutters in the old US of A...

  12. #27
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    Re: Wrong Wrong Wrong

    I thought a mullet was a hair style.............Ahh yes and then if you cook you put a net over it. Am I off topic or is this what we're talking about. What oops sorry my fingers slipped. Carry on.Jim
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  13. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudRiverDan View Post
    Well I am not too sure if I am seeing a ghost, but Moe, Larry and Curly are posting here? Incredible!...
    What next I wonder?
    I thought I was curly?

  14. #29

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    Well....Lets clear up some myths and wonders about beach hauling and offshore trawlers.

    From the point the picture is taken the mullet are netted, loaded onto utes and transported to the nearest processing plant to be processed directly or they are placed in 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5m bins in an ice slurry and sent to the Sydney Fish Market for buyers to process themselves.
    The processing process involves running a serrated knife along the back of the mullets head between the start of the dorsal fin and and the back of the head making a cut only deep enough to touch the top of the backbone. While wearing a full body apron then fish is then held belly to belly against the processor and the neck is cracked and the head, guts and pec fins come off in one fluid movement.
    The head/guts/pecs were always binned up and boxed to be sold as crab bait or crab and gut bait that you buy in stores. 90% of mullet gut you buy from a tackle store was processed during the mullet haul season.

    With the trunk of the mullet now only being the fillets, spine, tail, scales and roe left together the next step is removing the roe. This is done with a modified fillet knife with a ball of solder melted on to avoid busting the roe sacks as if they're busted they're not worth a dime. The ball is slid down the gut towards the anus with blade-side up till it rolls out the anus leaving the roe sacks (x2) attached still. It's then removed and packed individually, before being cryo-vacc'ed and sold to the export market, dependant on quality, for between $30-$100 a kilo. There is always a percentage that gets sold domestically but Aussies being Aussies always throw their noses up so it's quite low.

    The left-over trunks are used in one of two ways. If the roe is not of a high quality the fillets are generally good quality, if the roe is high quality then obviously the fish has put all its energy into producing the roe and isn't in top shape and is generally sold to the bait market.

    There are obviously many variables in the process but that was how I managed my floor teams and sales teams through the process when I worked for a Co-Operative on Northern NSW.

    As for the Ocean Trawlers,....

    "When I fish off Kingscliff or Black rock beach I always see huge trawlers about 2km out, must be sitting in a channel, someone told me prawns but I'll bet they are fish trawlers too.

    Personally I don't see the point in worrying about beach netters, I am sure the beach netters account for a minimal take compared to the 3 or 4 Massive boats sitting just offshore every night."


    They might look like they're 2km out but chances are they could be anywhere up to 30miles out if you can still see their running lights.
    Finfish are only a marginal bycatch in the Ocean Prawn Trawl industry. Sand flathead and Diver whiting (winter whiting) are primarily the biggest finfish weighed in. They generally don't trawl much else up as trawlers don't run near reefs. You get just as high a tonnage trawling barren ocean floor as you would near reefs so there's no point risking your thousands of dollars of nets for a minimal increase in turnover.
    Ever wonder where the crumbed whiting fillets that you buy....everywhere.... comes from? Trawler bycatch. Guaranteed.

    The majority of boats that catch fin fish are either trap boats running box traps near reefs (largely targeting snapper, leather-jackets and other demersals), hand-line licenses (rod and reel pro's) and pelagic long-liners. There's still a ring-netting industry in CQ I believe but I don't know to much about it.


    At the end of the day these blokes are only making a living in a legal industry. If you've got a bee in your bonnet over it, do something about it. I'm not overly in favor of the beach haul industry but for the moment it's legal and declared sustainable whether you think so or not. No point vilifying a few blokes for making themselves an honest living when you've got people doing much worse, shady con-men, drug dealers and every other ILLEGAL industry running rampant under our noses.

  15. #30

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    Every Year makes me sick, very sick to see this.

    Yes it is legal, but it is so wrong in every aspect and should be changed.

    They make a living, what do they do for the rest of the year or after all the mullet have been netted.
    This is just cream to the netters as they all have other sources of income.

    The last couple of years the Tailor and Jew ( of any size) In Northern NSW have been as scarce as rocking horse ....
    This year was shaping up as a good one with good Tailor 3 kg + caught in the last month.
    Let me say again :
    Mullet are the food source for Tailor,Jew, Bream. Take away the food source and guess what all you can catch will be
    a couple of dart, possibly some whiting . You might get a couple of poor tailor but that is it.

    Others have reported a "desert" for fishing after the beach is netted and this is FACT.

    This has got to be stopped or phased out over time.
    Historian/Collector of Old Sidecast Fishing Reels

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