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    How do they get away with it!

    Good Afternoon Ausfishers,

    Was advised by a mate that one of my local creeks which I have been frequenting for the last 30 odd years is presently closed by BAC (Brisbane Airport Corp).

    Since doing some investigating as to why, it appears that BAC are intending on filling it in or the vast majority of it to build the new parallel runway for the airport!

    I did hear rumours about this many years ago however all went quiet so assumed that it had hit a setback and plans were scrapped..apparently not and really wish I hadn't been so busy and ignorant now!

    What I am trying to get my head around is how they get away with things like this?

    On one hand you have the government banging in green zone after green zone to protect the future of our fishery, yet BAC get the go ahead to fill in possibly one of the biggest nurserys for the Nudgee area without the blink of an eye!

    From my experience, Jacksons creek is one of (if not) the most fish, crab and prawn rich waterway in this area.

    Having spent many of my weekends in this creek, I have seen first hand what this creek has to offer at different times of the year.

    I have caught whiting, bream, flathead, luderick, trevally, cod, mangrove jack, jew, grunter and the list goes on..

    The mud and sand crabs, people don't believe me when I tell them the numbers that I catch up there each year and still do to this very day..

    The banana prawns that start up the very back of this creek, the same prawns that move out into the bay as they grow which our bay trawlers rely heavily upon each year..

    The amount of life and breeding stock the filling in of this waterway will kill is an outrage.

    So can someone please enlighten me how when all the current political party talk is about "better managing the fishery of Moreton Bay" this gets swept under the carpet?

    Is it money, political deals or what?

    Is it too late, to put a stop to this?

    Why are the greens not kicking up a stink over this, are they not aware of it?

    Thoughts please people?

    Thanks,
    Jay

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    MONEY!!!

    It blows me away what the BAC seems to get away with it is as if they are not regulated buy any form of government at all and can basically do as they please.

    I do alot of flying between Brisbane and Adelaide and have done for many years now utilising taxis to get to and from. The BAC a couple of years ago decided that they would impose a $1 surcharge that the pasenger must pay when leaving the terminal.

    I thought to myself how can they do this how can I be charged a fee to use a taxi, since then this has trippled. The Adelaide airport has no fee last time I was in Melbourne there was no fee and there was no fee at Sydney last time I was there either.

    The amount of taxi's that come through the Brisbane airport each day at $3 dollars a go over a year would be an absurd amount of money FOR WHAT!!

    I hope they dont take your creek away from you Watto79 it sounds like a little piece of paradise and if it looks like they are going to then we (the people) need to stop it.
    Cheers Axl

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    Maybe the current crop of pollies are more sympathetic to the cause of BAC as it seems any big developer can do mostly what they like as they are seen to be bringing revenue into the state regardless of consequence. I am probably being a little unfair on "can do" (even though he spends money on upgrading the bar across the road from parliament, $150m on helping the horse racing industry, gets rid of a few staff........oops digressing again) as it seems most governments can "talk the talk" when it comes to sustainable environments but somehow can not "walk the talk".

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    Jay , my pet subject has arisen?

    there where some threads on this a few years ago around the time of the new green zones for MB, from memory a quick summary

    1: The BAC had various plans for the 2nd runway

    2: the most obvious ones ( there where a few options) which didnt involve filling in the creek was rejected as it didnt allow enough space between the 2 runways for another set of terminals to house duty free etc which had to be there, the other options where more environmentally favourable but didnt allow all the new Airport buildings between the runways which of course = money, BINGO

    The options included building out a rock walls out into MB but those options just didnt allow enough space for buildings between the runways,

    3: the pollies like Rudd and Swan got involved with the 2nd runway but only re noise of planes.... but that went quiet, the response from interested groups was minimal with little public complaints to the plans that where released without any fanfare of course so all approved with minimum of fuss in the end

    4: QDC ie Queensland Development Corp was in favour and driving new investment in QLD so there you go, the QDC runs a lot of these decisions whether LNP or ALP

    5: Also what was also approved was the dumping of all the material on the seagrass beds just off there, i posted up the reports etc,

    6: Main issue is the lease negotiated by the ALP with BAC for the land re use and rights etc so basically the State Govt cant touch them, their public consultation from memory had almost no feedback as no one really knew it was there until after the time period lapsed and of course only a few responded so it was concluded that the public didnt care etc so

    Yes its too late, this deal was done years ago and its all down to the space required between the two runways to accomodate another shopping terminal,,,, nothing from any groups apart from some lone fishos, greens didnt want to know about it as they where banging on about the proposed MB Green Zones at the time and who cares about a creek and seagrass, only group was the bird watchers and a local redcliffe member who caused a ruckus but they are nutters apparently


    So to repeat when in future people land in Brisbane on the 2nd runway, there will be enough distance between the 2 runways for the new terminals/duty free and we should all be happy with the fact the correct amount of space between the runways is there.

    PS i sent all the docs, reports to news, some pollies, even the Greens and nothing, Ecofishers took it up but no traction as deal was done, it was too late and the really big issue was the complicated commercial agreements the BAC has with rights over the land that fetters State Governments, once the BAC complied with all the consultation regs and had the appropriate reports it was green lit. I have no doubt there will be a pond somewhere there with a nice wooden walkway.

    the QDC has a lot to answer for for dealing away the commercial rights to the land but that is the nature of big investments like airports over decades which require certainty and of course the Greens, well they where not interested in one that perhaps you would have thought would have gone to their DNA? , but they only had wide eyes on the Green Zones for MB.

    Summary: they where not going to invest in a 2nd runway without the commercial spinoffs of terminals between them and the shops etc... the better runway options didnt allow that

    Mike
    Tangles KFC


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    I kicked up a big stink about this during the moreton bay marine park zoning planning (and subsequently with ecofishers). As a result of the port expansion, there has been a lot of silting in the northern bay, and one area that has actually benefited from this is out the front of the airport. There is a lot of seagrass in this area now, and anyone who fishes around the front of the airport would know about the huge numbers of dugong in the area these days.

    We have this huge area of green zones in the desert of moreton bay. Yet the boundary of the marine park seems to have an odd rectangle protruding out into the bay, right where the second runway is going. Right where where the seagrass is, right where the dugong's feed. Ironic hey... So we get a bunch of greenzones in deserts, with no real science other than non published thesis from some james cook uni student IIRC, and yet another great fish habitat is destroyed for no reason other than its too expensive to preserve. Easier to fill it in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealAndy View Post
    I kicked up a big stink about this during the moreton bay marine park zoning planning (and subsequently with ecofishers). As a result of the port expansion, there has been a lot of silting in the northern bay, and one area that has actually benefited from this is out the front of the airport. There is a lot of seagrass in this area now, and anyone who fishes around the front of the airport would know about the huge numbers of dugong in the area these days.

    We have this huge area of green zones in the desert of moreton bay. Yet the boundary of the marine park seems to have an odd rectangle protruding out into the bay, right where the second runway is going. Right where where the seagrass is, right where the dugong's feed. Ironic hey... So we get a bunch of greenzones in deserts, with no real science other than non published thesis from some james cook uni student IIRC, and yet another great fish habitat is destroyed for no reason other than its too expensive to preserve. Easier to fill it in.
    At the time when there were meetings in the Sandgate area based around the zoning, in Moreton Bay I brought up this same point, seagrass, dugongs, with the representatives from the EPA. They had no interest whatsoever, they just pointed to the rectangular protusion out into the bay and said that area is outside the Marine Park and had nothing to do with them.

    The whole thing just disgusts me, double standards, greed, i just wished that the fishermen would forget their petty diferences and work together, as a group we would outnumber all these other idiot groups, but what do you do when you still today, run into guys who are totally unaware of the green zones.

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    Campbell Newman.

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    Basically they put the plans on hold, because with the financial crisis there was less demand for air travel etc, obviously it is picking up again and they see a profit in building the extra runway now.

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    Unfortunately it is a case of something called PROGRESS ! -
    Expansion of ports & airports - the building of major infrastructure unfortunately does have to encroach on the environment eg the LNG project on Curtis Is .
    The only thing is that you can only hope that the environmental impact is kept to a minimum.

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacDougall View Post
    Campbell Newman.
    There is always one. Sorry, but this deal was done by labor cronies, well before cn.

    Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2


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    this stuff craps me off to no end. i used to pump yabbies where raby bay is now situated and live not far away from birkdales aquatic paradise canal estates. it seems that government (on multiple levels) is the largest overseer of marine habitat degradation. the pollution that exited the river systems in last years floods must have been immense. the port and airport extensions only contribute to what amounts to government sanctioned environmental vandalism. green zones will hardly function when they are loaded up with silt and pollution. how will they be havens for marine life when the government stuffs up (and fills in) the nurseries that are meant to stock these green zones? i think "green" zones is proving to be an apt name - they are just missing the toxic skull and crossbones sign to go with them! and all the while the government points the bone at recreational fishos - freakin unbelievable.
    fishing's as simple as 3 P's - patience, perserverance and PLASTIC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    Unfortunately it is a case of something called PROGRESS ! -
    Expansion of ports & airports - the building of major infrastructure unfortunately does have to encroach on the environment eg the LNG project on Curtis Is .
    The only thing is that you can only hope that the environmental impact is kept to a minimum.

    Chris
    Progress is fine, I have no issue with it. But for the sake of a few dollars, they should be able to keep the creek, and build around it. Would make it more unique. Also, they could also move the runway back so it does not protrude out into the bay.

    As for curtis bay, why they hell could they not extend the pipeline to gladstone harbour? Why destroy another perfectly good habitat?


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    It is clear that MONEY and therefore the GREED that comes with it are the main driving factor..

    How much land does BAC have?

    Yet they have decided the best place for a 2nd runway is over the creek and out into the bay..

    I was talking to my old man last night about it, a fisherman and how I was introduced to the wonderful world of fishing..

    This isn't the first time BAC have done this either..

    They filled in Serpentine creek many years ago and also took care of Cribb Island!

    My old man said the impact back then on the fishery from the filling in of Serpentine creek was enormous and the area has never recovered.

    It is sad to think that they are happy to take away these creeks (nurseries) with little regard to the impact on the surrounding enviroment.

    Shame on you BAC, if I had money I would see you in court to possibly try and stop this..

    Unfortunately I don't..

    And certainly am bitterly disappointed I did not find out and do something about this when the opportunity was given although sounds like those that did were never given a fair go anyway!

    I would have loved this creek to be made a green zone and would have happily given up my fishing for the benefit of other areas of Moreton bay now destined to be a desert due to its demise..

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    Very interesting thread - I posted something years back about this. Whilst working on a local charter boat the BAC hired the boat out for the day to do "A promotional video" It ened up being the interviewer/narator - Stacey West (Ranger Stacey) and a bloke from BAC and his ECO specialist and another Scientist from UQ. The body of it was filmed just of Bulwer and it was on the "impact of removing Middle Banks to supply the sand needed for fill for the 2nd runway" The ECO bloke from BAC swore their would be no impact to the bay "on film" and the Scientist from UQ had a computer generated projection and all sorts of proven data about the huge impact it would have on the bay and was generally very concerned! and he got about 2 sec worth on the film & the other bloke way too much. BUT when the cameras were off it was a different story and over a nice lunch and swim on the wrecks it was agreed by all parties that it would destroy the bay and associated fish species, aquatic life and dugons,and the tidal flow change would have a huge impact on the western forshore (they didnt add this to the fluff piece they filmed!)
    Lets hope they have dropped this particular idea off their agenda.
    Words fail me
    Sammy

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    They certainly havn't dropped this idea Sammy!

    I regularly see the sand dredge at middle banks working although havn't this year.....as yet!

    As a fisho out in the bay almost every weekend weather allowing I would witness it loading up buckets of sand/silt and making its journey back and forth for months on end this went on for most of the year last year..

    So maybe this runway is further ahead than I expected..

    If this fill they have been taking years previous, was going to that intended site!

    Just makes you angry when whats good for one doesn't apply to all when it comes to protecting and issues affecting the bay!

    Really the government are not interested in protecting anything except their hip pockets!

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