View Poll Results: Would you like to see a state wide Rec Fishing Licence introduced in Qld

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  • YES to the Qld Gov introducing a Rec Fishing Licence

    72 34.12%
  • NO to the Qld Gov introducing a Rec Fishing licence

    139 65.88%
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  1. #61

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    I would much rather see actions improvements that are fully or partially funded by fishermen than sit back holding my breath and waiting for government to do it through their own initiative .
    I used to travel 1000's of kilometers to fish the Qld impoundments ..... all because great fisheries were created via a Stocked Impoundment Permit ( a licence) - many others too. This is a great example of what was achieved because of a user pay system ..... it worked ! - I doubt very much if we would have seen this without the introduction of a SIP

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

  2. #62

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    Where does the future lay for our fish that most australians buy from the local shop and the supermarkets??
    If we kill off the commercial fishers in this country all of our market demand will be met by external sources dumping thier less than ideal wares onto our shelves. Eventually into our waterways as the nonthinking average joe buys some bait to go fishing with.

    Where is our national security for our environment protected by removing the commercial sector?

    I think that if we make a move to stop all imports of seafoods into the country and minimise exports, our environment and our fishery will be best protected.

    Places can be set aside as commercial farming areas and commercial fishing areas and we could have secured zones free from commercial impact as well to protect stocks and breeding cycles.

    There is a need for a commercial fishery regardless of how we recs would love there to be none around but the reality is it is for our best future if it is managed in a way to solely meet local demands, not overseas demands for fresh fish.

    That leads to another point to be discussed. Should our commercial sector develop a massive canned fish export to compensate for the fresh fish export market that currently exists?

    The licence sheme is there to get discussion for minimal real benefit, the big benefit comes from correctly managing the way our country sources its seafoods and how it sells its seafoods.

    In my view, there need not be an import or an export market for seafoods in Australia.
    Jack.

  3. #63

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    As stated earlier in the thread - net free regions in NSW and California which are the only scientifically researched net free regions that I'm aware of, have led to improved commercial catches. The statistics don't lie. And the commercial fishers in these regions have a future whereas Qld's is becoming increasingly uncertain.

    With suitably located RFHs, there should be more local seafood available to the general public and it should be cheaper. The pros will make more money and the recs will catch more and bigger fish.

    I'm just going to keep saying it until the message gets through.

  4. #64

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    I'm assuming the link below will work - is the commercial catch statistics for all species. Keeping in mind that RFHs were implemented in 2001 and there were 209 licences bought out and 30 RFHs in which the pros couldn't operate. But still the catch stats look like this and at the same time recs were catching more and bigger fish. It's quite simply a no brainer as to what we need to do in Qld and I don't care how it's paid for.

    Click on - Status of Fisheries Resources in NSW 2008/09

    http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/research/a...puts/2010/1797

  5. #65

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    FYI>

    the following is from Fisheries Queensland. 24th July 2012.

    There has been consideration given regarding the introduction of recreational fishing licence in Queensland. Discussions were held with Sunfish Queensland as the peak recreational representative body. However, at this time, it has been decided that a general recreational fishing licence will not be introduced.

    There is an existing election commitment for a netting buyback, and preparations for that process are well underway. The buyback will occur in three stages over the next three years and will focus on purchasing as many licence packages as possible with the available funding. The process will be administered by QRAA and will be a voluntary competitive tender process.


    I guess that puts this baby to bed.


    LP

    well blow me down..... a pollie that kept a promise......... who'd a thought............. me for one !


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  6. #66

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    Thats wonderful news Phill, great to see em governing for all Queenslanders. Or is that just the employed ones they have not yet shafted.

    DoNotFeedTheTrollsAandBelligerent

  7. #67

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    Good news Phill, but I will be happier once we're past the 2013 state budget, that's when I'm told they wanted to announce it. Who from Fisheries put that statement out Phill? or is the info on Fisheries web site?
    ~~~><))))*>

  8. #68

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    The statement was sent to me from senior management, that's all I'll say, but they were adarment, it will not happen in the forseable future as far as LNP and FQ are concerned.

    Yes Steeler, there are many in FQ who are not sure if they'll have a job at the end of this week.

    The culling of the Public Service was part of the LNP plan to get Qld back on track, so no one should be surprised at the numbers being bandied around. Yes, there will be some very good people lost to Qld, but who makes the decisions is usually not the Govt but senior managers of those departments and if they have an agenda or a dislike for someone, you are in the firing line, unfortunately.

    LP
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  9. #69

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    I think the stocked impoundment scheme is fantastic, but that is not the same as a fishing licence. A fishing licence is a broad brush; the SIP is user pays. And SIP works because hundreds of people give their time for $0. They do that so their local regions can attract people to the area. A fishing licence to me is just socialism, with central control and few if any improvements for a loss of personal freedom.

  10. #70

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik View Post
    I think the stocked impoundment scheme is fantastic, but that is not the same as a fishing licence. A fishing licence is a broad brush; the SIP is user pays. And SIP works because hundreds of people give their time for $0. They do that so their local regions can attract people to the area. A fishing licence to me is just socialism, with central control and few if any improvements for a loss of personal freedom.
    A Licence where fees are managed by a trust can be just as effective as the SIP scheme particularly over time .
    To say few if any improvements are achieved is just wrong ...... talk to any one who fishes places like lake Macquarie , Botany Bay , Lake Illawarra , Port Stephens etc and ask if they have not seen improvements over the last 12 or so years . Add to that the stocking of freshwater waterways and impoundments ..... particularly the work on natives
    If you were to spend some time looking at the NSW DPI website - you can see over the years just what has been done .......... certainly many times more than if there was no RFL.
    If we continue down the path with blinkers on we are sure to see recreational fishing deteriorate further specially if you are waiting for government to do it all themselves.

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

  11. #71

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    I know the exercise is now purely academic, but the links below are the scientific assessments of recreational catches pre and post recreational fishing havens from Lake Tuross and Lake Macquarie - for those that actually give a shit.

    Improved recreational fisheries and improved commercial fisheries - well we wouldn't want that now would we? Don't worry, we aint getting them.

    http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/137797/An-assessment-of-changes-in-the-daytime,-boat-based,-recreational-fishery-of-the-Tuross-Lake-estuary-following-the-establishment-of-a-Recreational-Fishing-Haven.pdf

    http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/138154/An-assessment-of-changes-in-the-daytime-recreational-fishery-of-Lake-Macquarie-following-the-establishment-of-a-Recreational-Fishing-Haven.pdf

  12. #72

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky_Phill View Post
    FYI>


    well blow me down..... a pollie that kept a promise......... who'd a thought............. me for one !
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    [I]Before the recent election the LNP stated they had ruled out a rec fishing licence, then in the first few months after the election we hear, quote "There has been consideration given regarding the introduction of recreational fishing licence in Queensland". We must have different ideas of what a promise is Phill, and breaking that pre-election promise and rerevisiting a RFL in such a short time was my main beef. I'm glad this tread has raised quite a few good points for and against the introduction of a state wide Rec Fishing Licence, (Slider's & Goat Boy's in particular). I recon it will come in one day, but hopefuly at a time, in a form, and at a cost the majority of Qld anglers can live with.
    Cheers
    ~~~><))))*>

  13. #73

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    To clarify that Mike,

    FQ was the ones that had asked for " consideration " and NOT the LNP. 2 Different entities, let's not confuse them.


    I certainly agree about the RFL........... as you said.......... " at the right time ".


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  14. #74

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

    Hi Nagg

    I know what you are saying and understand you arguement but in principal I refuse to play the game where I pay twice ( tax and lic) just to get the govt to do what they should be doing to start with. Yep a RFL short circuits the slow govt system but for how long. I'd rather see the underlying system have a shakeup - yeah I know I am probably dreaming but after a RFL comes in it is unlikley to ever be stopped- ie a tax. I don't comp fish I do it for a meal ,enjoyment and relaxation. The amount saved by lesser burden on the govt medical health system by me being active and relaxed more than makes up for a RLF.

    The problem I see in the future with the RFL is that it eventually becomes just as useless / hamstrung as the part of the fisheries and enviro departments it displaces. Yes there is some improvements but it is a extra cog in the system so to speak. Yeah I know you feel the existing system in the department is screwed ( can't realy say it isn't) but that shouldn't be the reason to have to throw in cash and make fish lic mandatory and create a new department / trust. We need to make existing govt departments more accountable, cost effecient and get the budget they require.

    The RFL is a tax under a different name to try and fix up bad govt decisions.

    Now if there is enough people that believe in paying extra to do what a govt department should already be doing then they should start a group ( call it a RFL QLD trust if you want ) , collect the money, get 50:50 funding for projects and lobby etc and it could even be tax deductible. . Yep that is what the existing political ( fishing and shooting party) and all the fishing groups, clubs, formus should be doing and then money could be apportioned to the areas people want reform in.

    As for commercial lic and buyback. If it was tendered well than the existing profitable fishers would do well to put money into the buybacks to up the value of their existing Lic and get rid of all the stale lic in the system. Buy em back with a tax credit not cash and that way if they were never profitable then they will be forfeited or do like with pokies that evertime they are transferred 20% gets lost on a quota. Buying back unused unprofitable lic does stuff all other than as Nagg says give people a golden parachute and nothing for the fishery as they were never again going to be active or profitable. To use rec money to buy em out - sheeesssshhh - the government overallocated them, didn't manage the waterway and fishstocks and somehow the rec fisher foots the bill on the basis that they are then a stakeholder and will somehow in the future be better able to stop bad govt decisions??? The same structure in the govt dep that issued the quotas and lic still exists god help us.

    Thanks for the links slider. There is so many simple thing that can be done.

  15. #75

    Re: Qld Rec Fishing Licence? Yes or No

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky_Phill View Post
    To clarify that Mike,

    FQ was the ones that had asked for " consideration " and NOT the LNP. 2 Different entities, let's not confuse them.


    I certainly agree about the RFL........... as you said.......... " at the right time ".


    cheers LP
    Phill ask your mate in Fisheries about Campbell's razor gang's suggested ways of that department attacking it's budget shortfall.
    ~~~><))))*>

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