Originally Posted by
oldboot
The world is full of experts, lots of them are electricians and they simply don't have a clue, and wont be told.
The electrical trade is syetematicaly pulling the various allied trades under its controll, so the electricains sphere of influence and over confidence continues to grow.
most of them are barely able.....even if they can be bothered......to do the basic work of an electrician to the letter of the regulations. Then they take work off the allied trades, by pulling it into electrical umberella contracts that the reast of us cant bid on....then do the work they don't understand at a very very low standard.
Come on if ya cant install a simple single split system air con after you have done the required traing course and been passed as competent and issued a licence, ya musn't be very clever or interested in doing the job properly.
For over 20 years I have worked with a sat in training courses with electricians and the majority of them ARE dull, lazy and wont be told, even by their piers....... but they still live and work under the mis apprehension that they are smarter and better than everybody else.
Lots of them cant even calculate voltage drop using ohms law, hey Finga.
Lots of them have very little understanding of "electrical principles" as taught outside of the "electrical trade" and depend on the standards and regulations.....which they often chose to ignore and usually don't now as well as they should.
The electrical safety authorities have proven by survey, that a very large proportion of electricians do not even undestand the MEN earthing system....a key pank in electrical safety.
This I was told on a skills maintenence course for full ticket sparkies, and shown the document.
This is why there is now a skills maintenance requirement for licence renewal in QLD, lots of the older electricains have either failed to renew or cheat by getting one of their relatives or apprentices to do the on line exam for them...I know because I've been told to my face by those that have done it.
Don't try and tell me that because they have an electrical trade qualification that the work will be tradesman like and compliant.
Just about every day that I walk onto a work site, I see things done by "full ticket electricians" that are non-compliant, not nit picky marginal stuff, but dogs ball obviously wrong.
I know it was done by an electrician because they have either just done it, the customer knew who did it or it has a tag on it with their licence number on it, and full ticket licence numbers don't have an R in front of them.
The most stupid thing that ever happened was to allow electricians to self inspect.
Don't try and tell me that the electrical establishment are the protectors of public safety.......they are the protectors of their own self interest.
Untill recently New Zeland, that works under the same standards, uses the same hardware and electrical system design had a very much more flexible attitude and allowed private individuals to do certain work.........their safety record was in fact better than ours.
In the UK and europe, many appliances come without a plug fitted, the purchaser commonly fits the plug. In the UK, you can wire you whole house yourself as long as it passes inspection all is fine. They don't seem to be having a rash of electricutions and fires.
As for the "critical length" thing.
In every field of material science, it is understood that when testing materials you have to have a sample that is big enough to provide a reliable result and not influenced by outside factors.
In electrical wire, that means the piece has to be long enough.
Sorry you could not find any information on that on google, and no one mentioned that in your electrical trade.
But you would have to be pretty thick to not grasp the reasons why, and then keep arguing about it.
Finally I am sick to death of being picked on by a couple of idiots who are only motivated by their own ego and the threat that there is some one who knows more than they do and is happy to share it freely.
If you did not come to a forum with the object of a helpfull, free and amicable exchange of information ...WHY ARE YOU HERE.
I apopogise to others who's benifit and enjoyment is ruined by these idiots, every time I try to post something usefull or informative.
cheers
As far as where I would get an apprenticship...I would not be taking one up with a small or medium electrical contracting companies unless I knew their standards to be high ( almost unknown)......because dangerous work methods, ignorance and straight out flouting of the standards & regulations is the norm...ya don't have to go far for proof, because so many electricians will proudly tell you.....we don't bother with that, or no one bothers doing the other thing.
I have however been asured that If I want to enter the electrical trades, the labotomy is optional, however having one is suposed to increase career prospects.
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