Reply With QuoteTry a baitrunner with braid - Easier to fish all day than an overhead, and just as much drag these days.
Hey guys,
I want to start seriously chasing snapper but being the owner of only one rod/reel (a ugly stick 4-6kg o/head with shimano citica baitcaster) this doesnt quite cut the mustard. Im not looking to spend heaps and im not to proud to purchase a pre loved setupbut have become very found of the o/heads. Ive been looking at Abu garcia combos for sale on this site (5600 c4) but would have no idea what i should be looking for in terms of reel type, retrieve ratios etc etc.
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated, i fish mainly Wallaroo, Pt Hughes etc in about 40 - 60m of water (most are wrecks) im not interetsed in skull dragging as i like the challange of a fight but looking for something reasonable.
Cheers all
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Try a baitrunner with braid - Easier to fish all day than an overhead, and just as much drag these days.
Excuse my ignorance but by baitrunner what exactly is the difference? I currently have a Shimano Citica "Baitrunner" does this imply that my current reel would be capable of handling a big red? Is the only thing i should be looking at is the amount of line the reel can hold?Originally Posted by GBC
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the reel you have is a baitcaster not a baitrunner, have a look at the shimano BTR6500b or the newer versions , should be perfect for what your after. Cheers Andrew
Ah i see (now that i read the box lol)
Is the Abu Garcia 5600c4 any good? (there is a rod/reel package for sale on this webpage - http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/vbc...?do=ad&id=2215
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You might find that Torium 20 for sale in the classifieds might suit this sort of fishing better. The Abu is a good reel but maybe a bit small for the depth you are fishing.
Mate, have you ever used a spiral wrapped rod to reduce the fatigue and to aid in stability when using an overhead reel?
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Is there a specific depth the reels are better suited too? Other than that would the Abu have a drag setup capable of holding a red?
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A mate fishes plastics for snapper in 54m of water on his barra setup. An abu 6500c3 on a 6-8kg Penn rod with 20lb schnieder. Was with him when he got a 9kg snap and the setup handled it easily.
Plenty of vids floating around where they are catching those huge SA snaps on 2-4kg and slightly heavier spin outfits.
So that outfit would work but as the others have said probably not the most robust for the job. M o Tack have some snapper combos going for $250 if you can stretch the budget than far.
I don't know if I have or not Finga - I've got live fibre and shimano overhead outfits. They are good outfits and work well, but you must use a gimbal with them when winding up from any depth, and the have a natural tendency to fall over (reel underneath) in your hand. Not to mention that they are heavier all round.Mate, have you ever used a spiral wrapped rod to reduce the fatigue and to aid in stability when using an overhead reel?
When it comes to float baiting in 150m and less I find myself reaching for the live fibre spin rod with a 6500 baitrunner and 30 lb braid. I can fish it all day very comfortably. Every now and then a decent a.j. or kingie will brain me (it's also caught plenty of each too), but it goes o.k. on the fin fish.
If the run is too strong for float baiting or for using a heavy paternoster rig the overheads will come out, but only once I hit the bottom with two 10 balls.
Maybe I should investigate this spiral wrapping - (I've got a flame wrap heavy spin rod - is that the same?)
I actually had an ABU Garcia snapper rod 'snap' on me. Was a nice enough rod, Fuji runners etc and around $80-$90 or so, I was surprised this happened as cheaper rods have held up without incident.
My advice would be another Ugly Stik for a rod, they are fairly inexpensive and very durable, Fuji runners and seats on the better models. Try the Black Tiger, Gold or Bluewater series, between 5'6" and 7' say. I've got 10-15kg and 8-12kg models, I like them a lot. Tippy enough but grunty also. I find the boat quite a harsh environment for my rods so don't really want to spend a motza on one as s^&* tends to happen dragging a nice fish aboard etc etc.
Reel is primarily your choice between a threadline and an overhead. Baitrunner is perfect IMHO for a threadline, because you have the functionality of an overhead.
That is, you can set your drag, then throw the reel into freespool with the ratchet on while you fish. Soon as you get a run, snap her into gear and your on.
In the relatively shallow (20-30 metres) and rugged bottom areas I fish for snapper I need to stop any fish over say 4kg ASAP or be bricked. To give you an idea of the bottom, I use 80lb trace and 30lb mainline, anything lighter will be destroyed. Deeper reefs 45m , 60m and 70m, go the braid for sure.
Overheads I'm a Daiwa Sealine fan, even the old ones can be made to work well and are strong enough for any snapper.
As for the combo you mention, sounds like a nice little 8kg outfit but just a bit light for my personal preferences as I am pretty much a self-confessed skull dragger!
Cheers.
The abu5600 will work fine for your larger snaps I currently use a 3400c4 on a 4-7kg live fibre for all snapper upto about 3kg, then I step up to a tyrnos 8 for the bigger models.
Mate...look into a spiral wrap.
It's not a brand but a style of rod.
They've been around for yonk's and Mark from Acidrod in the states and lots of fella's (sheep lovers that they are) in NZ have been playing with them a great deal.
All the drawbacks you've mentioned are negated with a spiral wrapped rod.
Stability (under HUGE load) is actually better then a spin outfit due to the handle of an overhead reel is closer to the axis of the rod (usually) then the handle of a similar classed spin type reel.
As for weight then some-things wrong. The same blank can be made as an overhead for spin rod.
No, not the same as a flame wrap (hang onto that sucker. No more of them)
I've made a few of the spirals up and they seem to work well even for the lighter end of the spectrum. Apparently not much (if any) casting distance is lost on 1-4kg casting sticks. But I won't know. I can't cast an overhead.
Here's some information on the spirals
http://www.acidrod.com/acidrods.html
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/spiral-...d-jigging-rods
http://www.rodbuilding.org/read.php?2,10610
Or just do a google for spiral wrapped rods and there's a ton of information and comparisons.
For the cost difference between a good spin style reel as compared to an overhead with similar specifications the price difference would easily allow for the investigation of spiral wrapped rod. Especially heavy outfits.
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A Shimano charter special are perfect for large snapper, spooled up with braid or mono. Good prices on these would see you with a really good outfit for around $300 depending on what rod you choose.
kind of doubt there is a Snapper alive that could not be easily caught on a reasonable Threadline reel and even cheap 10KG mono, an overhead is fine, but a spinning reel makes a far more "universal" outfit, this is especially important in your case, as you only have 1 setup now, ABU reels are fine, anyone who tells you that you will need 100KG of drag, super carbon rod, some sort of thermo nuclear hooks and 80LB braid to catch Snapper needs to take another look at themselves! go for an outfit that will compliment your overall fishing rather than a specialists setup, with a spinning rig, you can bottom fish, cast to pelagics, is usually cheaper than an over head setup of similar quality and it is a breeze to use as well.
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