BASA

[indy]

Charlie its a open forum i can say what ever i like as stated earlier its a email that was sent to me so i dont really care about the authoritys as for being very afraid get a grip.

[charleville]

McDonald's Apologizes For Condoms In Happy Meals

Well, that would certainly put a new meaning to the phrase "Happy Meal".

However, this was the current issue which is currently getting headlines ....

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/b...-1225889978138


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[charleville]

Charlie its a open forum i can say what ever i like as stated earlier its a email that was sent to me so i dont really care about the authoritys as for being very afraid get a grip.

Oooh no, I would be worried if I were you, Indy, distributing material like that.

The best thing that you should do to protect yourself is to wipe your computer hard disk right away. That should stop the authorities finding that sort of material on your machine.






If the "rational" argument is a protectionist one against international trade , because that seems to be what you are suggesting when you advocate buying only Australian produce, then you are advocating destroying the Australian economy and lifestyle.


Some facts about the importance of the Vietnamese people to Australia are listed below. (Source: http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/vietnam/vietnam_brief.html )

Australia's merchandise exports to Vietnam in 2008-09 totalled A$1.2 billion.

Significant Australian export items to Vietnam in 2008-09 included wheat, copper, aluminium and cereal preparations.

In 2008-09, Vietnam's merchandise exports to Australia totalled A$4.3 billion. Oil exports constituted more that 70 per cent of Vietnam's total merchandise exports during this period. Other significant items were furniture (A$111m), gold (A$100m),and fruit and nuts (A$81m).


Two-way services trade between Australia and Vietnam in 2008-09 totalled more than A$1.3 billion. Services exports to Vietnam during this period were worth A$736 million. Education-related exports remain Australia's single largest services export, worth A$591 million in 2008-09. Services imports from Vietnam in te same period were valued at A$639 million, dominated by recreational travel (A$472m).


This data suggests that Vietnamese fish exports to Australia are a non-event in the over all scheme of trade. Create an embargo on any trade items and you are likely to find yourself paying more for petrol for your boat and having to find more cash to send your Aussie kids to an Aussie university because of the loss of paying Vietnamese students.


Nah - we need healthy two way trade with Vietnam. Creating odious unproven rumours about Vietnamese produce does a dis-service to everyone.


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[mod5]

Basa ........ yummmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!

[charleville]

Basa ........ yummmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!

Not sure about the Basa but she is gorgeous!

I hate cooking TV shows with a passion but I would watch her any time. What fun!

Y'all really need a George Foreman Grill, I reckon.


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[charleville]

and on the flip side:

"What Are The Growing Conditions For Basa?
Basa are grown in one of the most suitable environments for fish farming found anywhere in the world. The Mekong River (from which drains much of the Himalayan snow melt) has one of the largest consistent flows of fresh, clean water on the planet. Australian environmental scientists working for the Mekong River Commission, which monitors water quality at over 50 sites, confirm that testing over the past 15 years shows no serious contamination of the river - partly because there is little industry in its catchment, and partly because of its large flow. It is one of the cleanest of the world's large rivers. Claims that the Mekong River is seriously contaminated have been overwhelmingly refuted by those Australian scientists working in the region.

Good info, Greg.

Now let's compare that with the Aussie situation.

Oh look, here's one...


"December 4, 2005

Banned: Sydney Harbour prawns too toxic to eat

The Government banned catching prawns in Sydney Harbour yesterday after tests found high levels of dioxin in prawns caught last week.

Dioxin can cause cancer and other health problems and Primary Industry Minister Ian Macdonald said urgent tests were being done on harbour fish to see if they were also carrying the poison.

It is the first time harbour prawns have been tested for dioxins and Mr Macdonald said the industrial toxic waste byproduct could have been present in Sydney's prawns for decades.

The Sydney Harbour king prawn is smaller and sweeter than most prawns and is regarded as a delicacy.

Tests on prawns caught last week found dioxin levels were three to four times the European Standard, which is becoming the accepted global measure for dioxin in food."


Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...22146952.html#


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[Awshucks]

Subject: BASA FISH PLEASE please READ! Woolworths and Coles sell this!!

BASA FISH PLEASE READ!!!!! Woolworths and Coles sell this !!
Many are snatching up the fish at supermarkets as they are very cheap.
The fish looks good but read the article and you will be shocked.

This product is from Vietnam.

Do you eat this frozen fish called BASA? ( Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, White Catfish, Gray Sole )

Industrially farmed in Vietnam along the Mekong River, BASA or Pangas or whatever they're calling it, has only been recently introduced to the French market. However, in a very short amount of time, it has grown in popularity in France. They are very, very affordable (cheap), are sold in filets with no bones and they have a neutral flavor and texture; many would compare it to cod and sole, only much cheaper. But as tasty as some people may find it, there's, in fact, something hugely unsavory about it. I hope the information provided here will serve as very important information for you and your future choices. Here's why it is better left in the shops and not on your dinner plates:

1. BASAS or Pangas are teeming with high levels of poisons and bacteria. (industrial effluents, arsenic, and toxic and hazardous by-products of the growing industrial sector, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), DDT and its metabolites (DDTs), metal contaminants, chlordane-related compounds (CHLs), hexachlorocyclohexane isomers (HCHs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB) ).

The reason is that the Mekong River is one of the most polluted rivers on the planet and this is where basa/pangas are farmed and industries along the river dump chemicals and industrial waste directly into it. Avoid eating them because they contain high amounts of contamination. Regardless of Reports and recommendations against selling them, supermarkets still sell them, knowing full well that they are contaminated.

2. They freeze Basa/Pangas in contaminated river water.

3. BASA/Pangas are raised in Vietnam . Pangas are fed food that comes from Peru ( more on that below ), their hormones ( which are injected into the female Pangas ) come from China .. ( More about that below ) and finally, they are transported from Vietnam to other countries .

4. There's nothing natural about Basa/Pangas - They're fed dead fish remnants and bones, dried and ground into a flour (from South America), manioc ( cassava ) and residue from soy and grains. This kind of nourishment doesn't even remotely resemble what they eat in nature. But what it does resemble is the method of feeding mad cows ( cows were fed cows, remember? ). What they feed basa/pangas is completely unregulated so there are most likely other dangerous substances and hormones thrown into the mix. The basa/pangas grow 4 times faster than in nature, so it makes you wonder what exactly is in their food? Your guess is as good as mine.

5. Basa/Pangas are injected with Hormones Derived from Urine. They inject female Basa/Pangas with hormones made from the dehydrated urine of pregnant women, the female Pangas grow much quicker and produce eggs faster ( one Basa/Panga can lay approximately 500,000 eggs at one time ). Essentially, they're injecting fish with hormones ( they come all of the way from a pharmaceutical company in China ) to speed up the process of growth and reproduction. That isn't good. And also consider the rest of the reasons to NOT eat BASA.

6.You get what you pay for - and then some. Don't be lured in by insanely cheap price of Basa/Pangas. Is it worth risking your health and the health of your family?

7. Buying Basa/Pangas supports unscrupulous, greedy corporations and food conglomerates that don't care about the health and well-being of human beings. They are only concerned about selling as many basa/pangas as possible to unsuspecting consumers. These corporations only care about making more money at whatever cost to the public..

8. Basa/Pangas WILL make you sick - If you don't get ill with vomiting, diarrhea and effects from severe food poisoning, congratulations, you have an iron stomach! But you're still ingesting POISON not "poisson".

Final important note: Because of the prodigious amount of availability of Basa/Pangas, be warned that they will certainly find their way into other foods like imitation crab sticks, fish sticks, fish terrines, and probably in some pet food too. Just check the Ingredient List to see if Basa is one of the ingredients. Good Luck.

You have been warned !!!

Why are we allowing this product to be imported and our Governments and environmentalists closing up and restricting our pristine and well managed Fisheries into marine parks? Our country is going mad and destroying itself unless YOU do something. GET BEHIND OUR COMMERCIAL FISHERIES SO WE CAN PRODUCE GOOD QUALITY SEAFOOD FOR AUSTRALIANS, the owners.
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You are a so called "pro fisher" get a real tax paying job pete .

[Bros]

Go into the forum search engine and type Pacific Dory and see what others think about it. I've eaten it not knowing what it is and I found it disgusting as I thought pacific it was a fish from the Pacific Ocean stupid me as the Mekong river is no where near the Pacific Ocean.

I look at everything I buy and it must be from Australia or I don't buy it.
I like roasted peanuts (doesn't everyone) and I saw bags of them in Woolies looked at the label Produce of China, I now having to buy garlic paste as the fresh garlic Woolies sell is Product of China, I gave tin tuna away as it is all Thailand product.

I hate the local and imported label as I don't know what is local and what is imported.

[charleville]

I look at everything I buy and it must be from Australia or I don't buy it.

Aha. A genuine hippie who lives in a shack and does not own any material goods.

That's 'cos pretty well all material goods these days have at least some imported element.

If the product exactly says "Product of Australia" it is truly completely Aussie. If it is labelled something else, it is not truly Aussie.


BTW, where did you get your 100% Aussie made computer made with Aussie made semiconductors etc that you are now using? I was sure that the last Aussie semiconductor manufacturer disappeared with the closure of Fairchild Semiconductor in Australia circa 1970.


I'd reckon that at least 95% of the stuff that you buy has an overseas element in it.


Few people could afford any other situation.


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[Bros]

Sorry I thought you would have got the message as I was referring to food.

Yes I have a lot of other Chinese stuff but I only use Australian food.

[gr hilly]

its getting bad if i don't catch it i don't eat it i grow alot of my own veges now and by this time next year ill be growing all we eat i think allot of people are realy getting in to growing their own food now days,like they used to back in the old days and the flavor is much better, more fishing time gone.
Hilly

[iqarus]

i wont eat seafood unless im sure its not farmed in asia/eastern africa.

tanzanian perch is just as bad as basa. also, if you think the above info is bad, have a look into prawns farmed in asia and marketed here as "fresh"

production date: 1994 use by date : 2014

their powdered food's main ingredient is a steroid used in race horses, and the farmers routinely have cancerous tumours removed from their lower legs after years of wading in their prawn ponds.

MMM MMM MMM YUMMY.

[cormorant]

With next to none foreign imported food being thoroughly tested by the Aussie authorities I wouldn't exactly trust any marketing speil.

Even worse is that so little of Aussie food for local consumption is tested.

I wish factual orignlables of all fresh food was law so people would understand just how much food that is old and transported round the world they eat. Enforcing it and huge penalties would help but we have a weak system and our politiicians love signing all these so called free trade agreements but just don't understand teh pother countries don't play fair and there is no world police enforcer.


Grow some , Buy local eat fresh and learn where your food comes from and what is in it. It takes time to do it thoughand may not be teh cheapest.

[Flex]

Cant believe some of you guys are defending catfish! and imported catfish at that!
. Me personally I dont care if the fish are hand raised by 18y old naked virgins and fed caviar for lunch or fed their dead offspring for dinner in a fetid swamp.

Its CATFISH!.. And I bet most of you blokes chuck back every catfish you catch.
I hate the fact that fish agents do a simple name change and people swarm over it and your average joe has no idea he is buying catfish.

Then again if your average Joe is eating Basa. Means less demand for top quality aussie fish. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing?

[charleville]

Sorry I thought you would have got the message as I was referring to food.

Yes I have a lot of other Chinese stuff but I only use Australian food.

Mate, I am just teasing you. I knew that you were talking about food.

People are free to choose what they prefer for whatever reason.

Cant believe some of you guys are defending catfish! and imported catfish at that!

I recall being a kid in western Queensland and thinking that the freshwater catfish that we caught there were pretty good. However, it is true that I have never kept a seafaring one.


The issue for me is not about the type of fish per se; it is simply about the morality issue of spreading such vitriolic propaganda touting Aussie seafood as being of pristine quality and the Mekong Delta stuff as being tantamount to weapons grade biological poison.

From the cited info from Pinhead about the very high quality of the Himalayan snow melt waters in which the Basa are raised plus the cited info that I offered about the very high toxin levels in Sydney Harbour prawns, it seems to me that there may well be a plausible argument that the Basa would be a much healthier food than fish caught downstream from Australia's industrialised cities and towns.

In this latter category, I would place anything caught in and around Sydney, Moreton Bay and probably anything caught around the Barrier Reef which has been getting run-off of fertilisers, herbicides and pesticides from cane farms for decades.


I am happy for factual material to be published supporting a cause. I just don't like seeing such unsubstantiated low grade propaganda which treats us like gullible fools.


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