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  1. #46

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by PinHead View Post
    You are right..there is no excuse. There is no excuse why any ship is permitted through the GBRMP without a pilot and tracking by our Port Authorities..the only blame can lay with our Govt for not having sufficient items in place to prevent this happening. The Minister concerned should resign immediately. All this talk from the Govt re protecting the reef is nothing but hot air when they allow this to happen.
    Pinhead ... absolutely

    Maybe the ship was trying to avoid a fisher fishing in a green zone with ten hooks, twenty rods, drinking copious amounts of green ginger wine, running over a turtle while dropping in a dillie, ...

    Both Governments need to look at taking responsibility for allowing a ship like that going through a pristine area without a pilot escort.

    Beats me!!!

  2. #47

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    the pragmatist in me thinks the same chine

    disagree on the pilot issue, we're not dealing with weekend warriors here, these are bulk carriers with professional crews and i would imagine very experienced captains in control. they should be well and truly able to thread their ship through a gap (that's as big as say the brisbane cbd to aspley) in a reef given the modern navigational aids they would have on board. even gps errors (assuming they're not using differential) aren't that bad.

    something has obviously gone wrong and we shouldn't have to provide pilots. a powerful radar system to monitor movements however would be more suitable, it could be rigged to identify individual vessels and alarm when they stray too far from the centre of the channel, there would be technology currently available to do this. ie. air traffic control systems.

  3. #48

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by castlemaine View Post
    Pinhead ... absolutely

    Maybe the ship was trying to avoid a fisher fishing in a green zone with ten hooks, twenty rods, drinking copious amounts of green ginger wine, running over a turtle while dropping in a dillie, ...

    Both Governments need to look at taking responsibility for allowing a ship like that going through a pristine area without a pilot escort.

    Beats me!!!
    The trick now is not to fall for the kneejerk reaction.

    There are two well recognised and well "trodden" inner GBRMP routes to the outer route from Gladstone ie. the Capricorn Channel and Curtis Channel.

    A very comprehensive ATSB inquiry will be undertaken to determine exactly what has gone wrong. From that report, recommendations will be made. This report will be supported by onboard "black box" (VDR) outputs inclusive of all voice recorded bridge conversations. If VHF conditions where supportive on the day then there may also be AIS tracking records.

    The challenge is to get 85,000 tonnes of steel, oil and coal off the Shoal in one composite unit. Remember, the ballasted "Pasha Bulker" was driven up by weather at slow speed. The loaded "Sheng Neng 1" drove up on the Shoal at full sea speed. There may be significant structural damage.

    Rgds

    Chine

  4. #49

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by PADDLES View Post
    disagree on the pilot issue, we're not dealing with weekend warriors here, these are bulk carriers with professional crews and i would imagine very experienced captains in control. they should be well and truly able to thread their ship through a gap (that's as big as say the brisbane cbd to aspley) in a reef given the modern navigational aids they would have on board. even gps errors (assuming they're not using differential) aren't that bad.

    something has obviously gone wrong and we shouldn't have to provide pilots. a powerful radar system to monitor movements however would be more suitable, it could be rigged to identify individual vessels and alarm when they stray too far from the centre of the channel, there would be technology currently available to do this. ie. air traffic control systems.
    I agree. Wasn't there a ship grounding a few years ago in FNQ that was under the command of a pilot. Pilots are not the answer, to stop accidents you would have to remove all ships.

    The gap they were going through was 13 klm wide and 40m deep navigating through there is not rocket science. From the bridge of a large ship on this course from Fairway Bouy to Douglas shoal it would be easy to line up NM island and North Reef and then to start the turn without the use of a GPS.

    I think the navigation officer was either not on the bridge or he was asleep.

  5. #50

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    It would appear that fatigue may prove to be the contributing factor. This is not a shortcut but a well recognised and well used alternate route.

  6. #51

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    See a flash looking black helipcopter heading that way today was it our green bold headed Peter Garret
    Well i'm heading sort or that way tomorrow so wil give ya's an oil update spillage
    JT
    VHF CHANNEL 21
    CALL SIGN : JT OR SC552(social club member)

    There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot

    I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges

    Up here we Use Hussar as baits for real RED FISHS (SHSIIFDER)

  7. #52

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Didn't see any floatage in our direction ............
    JT
    VHF CHANNEL 21
    CALL SIGN : JT OR SC552(social club member)

    There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot

    I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges

    Up here we Use Hussar as baits for real RED FISHS (SHSIIFDER)

  8. #53

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Penny for a thought?

    Why not a law that says you wreck our reef, we wreck your ship. Clear her out, park her up and sink her. Artificial reef to replace the damaged one. im sure the captains would be alot more cautious if the ship was on the chopping block if an incident occurs.

    Steve

  9. #54

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    i heard just yesterday another tanker was caught taking a shortcut, in the meantime the authorities have decided to open their blind eye it seems, shame the general public was not such an easy mark, guaranteed there has been many more than 1 instance over time of the authorities rounding up a stray tanker to target an Anglers reef take.

    cheers fnq



  10. #55

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Bit of a read if you have the time as to why pilots aren't the complete solution.

    http://www.amsa.gov.au/Publications/...assessment.pdf

  11. #56

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Well seems like they have refloated it and its off the reef, lets hope they can keep it in 1 piece and afloat long enough to get it into port.

    Mark

  12. #57

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by trymyluck View Post
    Well seems like they have refloated it and its off the reef, lets hope they can keep it in 1 piece and afloat long enough to get it into port.

    Mark
    Mate thats great .............. Something good had to happen
    JT
    VHF CHANNEL 21
    CALL SIGN : JT OR SC552(social club member)

    There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot

    I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges

    Up here we Use Hussar as baits for real RED FISHS (SHSIIFDER)

  13. #58

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by jtpython View Post
    Mate thats great .............. Something good had to happen
    JT

    Yep fingers crossed and if they do get it safely back to port, although I've got to wonder about their plan to take it to an anchorage just north of Keppel. It may be the best thing to happen to the area, having given them a wake up call.

    Mark

  14. #59

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by trymyluck View Post
    It may be the best thing to happen to the area, having given them a wake up call.
    And wern't they lucky as they had almost perfect weather since the ship grounded and now a strong wind warning is out. The result could have been so much different if the weather wasn't n their favour.

  15. #60

    Re: New Artifical Reef off Gladstone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    And wern't they lucky as they had almost perfect weather since the ship grounded and now a strong wind warning is out. The result could have been so much different if the weather wasn't n their favour.

    I think thats why they rushed the refloat. If it had happened a couple of weeks ago they would be picking bits and pieces up and a whole lot of oil I'd say. Maybe there is a god...........

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