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  1. #121

    Re: Selling your own bait?

    Hey Tom,
    I just had a brainwave (and it hurt a smidge).
    Do they still charge a couple of dollars for the trolley's at the airport?
    Do they refund the couple of dollars back when the trolley is returned?
    If so then go to the airport with a mate or two and collect trolley's for the deposit.
    Going by the numbers I see everytime I go that would be a little goldmine.
    Anybody know the go with the airport trolley's as I don't fly?
    Something about Jetstar not having a C-130 or something like that they say
    I intend on living for-ever....so far so good


  2. #122

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    [quote=Donny Boy;1008900]
    Quote Originally Posted by BILLY THE KID View Post

    do they need a animal husbandry certificate to wash and care for the dog .......???


    I had an Uncle who specialised in Animal Husbandry....................................

    ............until they caught him at it one day !!!!!
    true and you cant mow lawns for pocket money either as it is seen as a business but plenty of people do it

  3. #123

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    No wonder our kids need medication before they leave school ...... after reading this thank god I'm old enough to drink.

    BigE

  4. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigE View Post
    No wonder our kids need medication before they leave school ...... after reading this thank god I'm old enough to drink.
    Yeah, I reckon it's a case of everything needing to be regulated in the eyes of the politically correct. While I understand the "method in the madness"; I think that there should be some discretion on the part of the enforcement authorities if kids were caught selling bait at ramps etc.

    So long as they kept the amount of money they had on hand to under $50.00 per day per person, I don't see an issue from a tax or any other perspective. I think that it's been mentioned further back in this thread, but how much damage could the kids really do to the pros? Let's face it, this is a kid with a cast net not a kid with gill nets or any other professional gear...

    I reckon that the pro's should be viewing these kids with the view that they could be the next generation of pro fishermen, not a threat - but that's my view and I could well be wrong!
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  5. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synful View Post
    So long as they kept the amount of money they had on hand to under $50.00 per day per person, I don't see an issue from a tax or any other perspective. I think that it's been mentioned further back in this thread, but how much damage could the kids really do to the pros? Let's face it, this is a kid with a cast net not a kid with gill nets or any other professional gear...

    I reckon that the pro's should be viewing these kids with the view that they could be the next generation of pro fishermen, not a threat - but that's my view and I could well be wrong!
    If that's all that happened then it would be a good way to teach kids some form of responsibility and a sense of accomplishment in making a bob or 4.
    That is until some more enterprising people go looking for bait on a HUGE scale and then drop their kids off at ramps with $50 worth of bait.
    that'll save getting licenses to make big money and also avoid the taxman.
    Again, it's a few that stuff it up for everyone.
    That's probably why kids cannot sell a mullet or two or some prawns at the ramp
    As for pro's not minding...sure, they might not mind a couple of kids but what about when there's a kid or two at every boat ramp or on every jetty, pier or foreshore??
    They'll get real shirty really quickly.

    In an ideal world (like when I grew up in the 70's) kids could do things to make a bit of pocket money.
    Now it's hard to let the kids go to the park without been afraid of what might happen to them ie predators, gangs etc.
    I intend on living for-ever....so far so good


  6. #126

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    If some one was selling live bait at the boat ramp, i would be buying it and not asking for his liscence, rather the money i give, will be wages for catching bait for me,, Col, not actually selling the fish
    Reel Men Smoke Abu

  7. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by disorderly View Post
    They dont need any of those things...you are full of it..and like so many these days, just looking for excuses NOT to achieve

    Scott

    How do you figure this ??? Im 35 , own my own car , boat and house so how am i looking for excuses ???

    was on my own from 15 yrs old and learnt that being 100 % down the line, stick to the law that you go nowhere and never will

    Had many a time i wished for a better life but you wish in one hand and shit in the other and see what one fills up first .

    i got what i own by working bloody hard and taking a oppurtunity when it arose and came out of it all with respect for other peoples property,

    i may not have the best of everthing but i do have pride in what i own which makes it worth enough

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    Re: Selling your own bait?

    Quote Originally Posted by BILLY THE KID View Post

    do they need a animal husbandry certificate to wash and care for the dog as they are being payed to look after it ?
    do they need need a horticultural certificate and small engine degree to mow the lawn as they are paid to do it ??
    Quote Originally Posted by disorderly View Post
    They dont need any of those things...you are full of it..and like so many these days, just looking for excuses NOT to achieve...

    Scott
    Quote Originally Posted by BILLY THE KID View Post
    How do you figure this ???
    Yawwwnnn...

  9. #129

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    The only issue I see with the whole thing, is potential DPI issues, as from a tax perspective, I am sure that the 'Hobby' determination would apply, ie he would be selling the fish in the pursuit of a hobby / recreational activity.

    If you are serious about it, write a formal letter to the DPI requesting clarification of what the legislative stance on it is.

    You will then get your legit answer, as regardless of what opinions / ideas the rest of us have you will have the definitive legal answer! Personally I think there should be provision for kids to make a bit of pocket money to pursue their hobbies!

    I also don't subscribe to the 'exploitation possibility' and 'loopholes' to negate this possibility, as that happens in all facets of life, and if we were to let the few bad apples spoil the bunch then hell, we would be in a crap situation all the time.... look at the dodgy ebay sellers not disclosing income etc etc. Hobbies are fine.............. dodging tax through schiesty activities is not!
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  10. #130

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    can the young fella rent his cast net and man power for a few bucks?
    plenty of old fellas down the ramps who can't actually throw a net anymore, thnx

  11. #131

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    Tom,

    As an employer of many young people, check the regs - there is no longer a minimum age for casual jobs like working in supermarkets etc. The 14 year 9 month thing is a thing of the past.

    I suggest you go job searching if you want to make some money.

    For all those that encouraged him to sell bait he catches, as a person who helped create the current regulations in Quensland - I and many others do not appreciate your comments. When dealing with laws to govern the public - you must always deal with the lowest common denominator. You are always thinking of how people will try and get around the rules and then close the gaps to make sure they can't.

    Simple scenario - those that would turn a blind eye to Tom, Do we then turn a blind eye when Tom starts doing it with his mate and they double their production. What about when another mate does it and they triple production - suddenly all his footy team are doing it with him. What happens to the local bait stocks for other rec fishos if you extrapilate that further. When do you draw the line. A rule has to be made sensibly and senisibly enforced.

    Another scenario - a bloke claiming the dole, or workers comp, or aged pension, or not paying child maintenaince, he does it to raise a few bucks on the side. Would you be supporting him.

    Good on you Tom for being proactive - just look in the right direction, I'd give you an interview for a job in my business.

    Brett

  12. #132

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    Have a look at what the asian bait gang did to the pipi stocks at Moreton

  13. #133

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    what if he went away from "selling" bait,,,, and offered something more unique that the local bait n tackle stores don't???????

    example,,,, set up a cleaning table at the ramp,,,,, offer to gut/scale/fillet,,, and if the filleting side of things are a bit too much,,,, the fisho's can do there own for a gold coin donation,,,,,

    benefit here would be with the gut/frames also,,,,, render them down and sell them back to the local bait n tackle stores,,,,,, or use them yourself

    just a thought,,,,,,,,,,

    choppa
    can it get any better??????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgG_TxEPaQE



  14. #134

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    Oh god in regards to the fillet table.

    There is so many hoops to jump through for being a fish processor just look up food safe or safety australia govt website. Unless you turned up with a full on factory all kitted out lic, and insured and had council permission you would be so close to the klink.


    Special approvals for all food preparation and approvals for equipment, premises and person doing it. God only help the incorrect detergent in the hand wshing area or the incorrect temperature on the filleting table.

  15. #135

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    Quote Originally Posted by cormorant View Post
    Oh god in regards to the fillet table.

    There is so many hoops to jump through for being a fish processor just look up food safe or safety australia govt website. Unless you turned up with a full on factory all kitted out lic, and insured and had council permission you would be so close to the klink.


    Special approvals for all food preparation and approvals for equipment, premises and person doing it. God only help the incorrect detergent in the hand wshing area or the incorrect temperature on the filleting table.

    so then please explain why so many ramps have filleting tables that are simple designs and made of stainless but bird sh$$t and the likes are up to the general public to clean off??????,,,,,, council bullshit doesn't rub off on me sorry mate,,,, much the same as most of the ""hoops"" that are implied within most of the current regulations

    i'm not stating to do the cleaning thing,,, more of a ""unique"" approach to making a few bucks that doesn't upset the local stores

    choppa
    can it get any better??????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgG_TxEPaQE



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