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  1. #46

    Re: Monduran Stiffys

    Quote Originally Posted by Magella View Post
    Kim ,
    I would have to say homer Steve tends to play with his stiffy to much.
    [how long can this stiffy thing last]

    Chris,
    Only this week

    Cheers Foxie
    bit hard to see how long this could go on for might need a stiff drink to think up some more lol

  2. #47

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    HEy guys whatever happened to the floppy?????????will it catch homer?

  3. #48

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    I was in Cairns for a couple of days (work) two weeks ago. Picked up a couple of the bony bream stiffies. Just a question, how do you work them? Tried a couple of retrieves on the weekend just to get the feel of them. Quick little jerks seemed the best (yes, left myself open on that one). If it's been talked about before just the link would be fine.

  4. #49

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    Hey Dick

    Try the old whack and wait.
    Let the thing sink and when at the desired depth give it a couple of really hard rips. One, two.....pause kinda.
    You need a pretty stiff rod that won't fold under the load.
    Most hits happen on the pause.-
    I usually toss at cover where fish could be sheltering and do the routine through the first, say, quarter of the retrieve, then burn it back. Otherwise, you're there all day.
    All in all, a good lure worth using, though somewhat specialised and needing an experienced hand on the reel.
    A criticism - not mean to nit-pick but you buy on the assumption that a particular model is all the same - are inconsistencies in weight and bouyancy.....not good for a lure that needs to hover in the water column.

    There're better mousetraps out there - the Jap made E Drive, for one. These are a jointed type that work on the same presentation style and retrieve cadence.
    Metaphorically speaking, each costs an arm, a leg and a willy.
    Last edited by rod harrison; 04-06-2008 at 08:05 PM.

  5. #50

    Re: Monduran Stiffys

    Quote Originally Posted by rod harrison View Post
    Hey Dick

    Try the old whack and wait.
    Let the thing sink and when at the desired depth give it a couple of really hard rips. One, two.....pause kinda.
    You need a pretty stiff rod that won't fold under the load.
    Most hits happen on the pause.-
    I usually toss at cover where fish could be sheltering and do the routine through the first, say, quarter of the retrieve, then burn it back. Otherwise, you're there all day.
    All in all, a good lure worth using, though somewhat specialised and needing an experienced hand on the reel.
    A criticism - not mean to nit-pick but you buy on the assumption that a particular model is all the same - are inconsistencies in weight and bouyancy.....not good for a lure that needs to hover in the water column.

    There're better mousetraps out there - the Jap made E Drive, for one. These are a jointed type that work on the same presentation style and retrieve cadence.
    Metaphorically speaking, each costs an arm, a leg and a willy.

    crikey theres alot of toss, hard rips and whack & wait in this one. And they said that how much further can this stiffie post go. lol. Of course the willy to finish it off. classic post rod. top that fellows, learn at the same time as well as a few jokes included or is it just me enjoying the stiff pun since wherew tring for a second child and wack and wait seem to be what we do

  6. #51

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    Thanks for that Rod, that sort of retrieve makes sense after seeing their action on the wekend

  7. #52

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    Rod has pretty much explained it perfectly.

    I basically use a short sharp rythmic twitch and wind. working the rod straight downwards. sometimes pause, sometimes not, depending on fish moods for the day. As he also said, I only work it for about 1/4 of the retrieve.....your arms fall off if you did the full retrieve all day!!

    Steve

  8. #53

    Re: Monduran Stiffys

    The Stiffy "Bony" shape has been around for yonks.
    Creek Chub, an American Lure Company specialising in
    twitch/jerk lures for pike and musky, and now passed into antiquity, did that one and another called the Darter, alluded to in Barra.

    Ditto rubber frogs and the high rod, skip technique.

    A yard with Lindon and Kel - good people who make a wonderful contribution to this site - at the boat ramp yesterday got around to the fact that though the tackle has advanced light years, the basic lures and techniques have been around a lot longer than people claiming them as their own.

    The late Bob Dunn's "History of Angling in Australia" - remaindered copies are around the book places - is a
    full book - pun intended - on what's already gone down.

  9. #54

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    I have no doubt that most lure designs & techniques have been around for many years be it jointed lures , frogs ,soft plastics or twisted leaders ........ The true pioneers had been there & done that!

    I guess what we are seeing today ...... Is the refinement of those original lures & techniques + the introduction or should I say reintroduction into main stream barra fishing practices
    If we step back a few years & looked into our barra tackle boxes ...... they would have been stuffed to the gills with barrabaits , classics , vipers , Nilsmasters , Manns stretch etc ....... Yeh a few people threw a few scum frogs in the billabongs or the occasional mister twister
    Today ..... The thinking barra fishoe will still have most of those Hardbodies + many others in their tackle box ........ However you will now also see , Lots of slick rigs , top water sammys , tango dancers , poppers , fizzers & probably some lipless crankbaits ....... & now high speed frogs because of a recent video clip.
    today we burn frogs , walk the dog , bloop , jig & hop , slow roll, jig troll , troll & twitch pause ...... These are now mainstream techniques that have been born , reincarnated or modified out of the impoundment barra craze ..... & the difficulties faced in these pressurised fisheries !
    IMO ..... The fishoes that modify techniques or introduce new tackle into the impoundments are also true pioneers ....... specially if it then becomes mainstream!
    Hail to the person ..... that starts catching barra consistently on Buzz Baits
    Just my thoughts on the subject

    Cheers

    Nagg

  10. #55

    Re: Monduran Stiffys

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    I have no doubt that most lure designs & techniques have been around for many years be it jointed lures , frogs ,soft plastics or twisted leaders ........ The true pioneers had been there & done that!

    I guess what we are seeing today ...... Is the refinement of those original lures & techniques + the introduction or should I say reintroduction into main stream barra fishing practices
    If we step back a few years & looked into our barra tackle boxes ...... they would have been stuffed to the gills with barrabaits , classics , vipers , Nilsmasters , Manns stretch etc ....... Yeh a few people threw a few scum frogs in the billabongs or the occasional mister twister
    Today ..... The thinking barra fishoe will still have most of those Hardbodies + many others in their tackle box ........ However you will now also see , Lots of slick rigs , top water sammys , tango dancers , poppers , fizzers & probably some lipless crankbaits ....... & now high speed frogs because of a recent video clip.
    today we burn frogs , walk the dog , bloop , jig & hop , slow roll, jig troll , troll & twitch pause ...... These are now mainstream techniques that have been born , reincarnated or modified out of the impoundment barra craze ..... & the difficulties faced in these pressurised fisheries !
    IMO ..... The fishoes that modify techniques or introduce new tackle into the impoundments are also true pioneers ....... specially if it then becomes mainstream!
    Hail to the person ..... that starts catching barra consistently on Buzz Baits
    Just my thoughts on the subject

    Cheers

    Nagg
    What Goes round Comes round, what we are seeing is the refined version that is well established from years gone by and we are now benefiting from fishoes long gone and present day......Cheers Whitto
    Last edited by Whitto; 08-06-2008 at 05:27 PM.
    Good Mates....Good Food.....Good Fishing....Priceless



  11. #56

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    Its a funny game this great past time we call fishing.
    If I had of known all the politics, agenda's, competiton (buisness and pleasure) and sniping was as rife as it is, I reckon I would have laid low on many topics that seem to be so full of conjecture.
    No, I didnt invent the frog Harro, nor did I ever say I did, or did I say I invented the whole "burning" of plastics/frogs or the like.

    I have a mega passion for fishing, mates, family and life. I dont go around saying "Im the man" on the given subjects, although my back feels heavy on lots of occasions.
    I love going fishing, catching fish, and more importantly seeing others/helping others achieve fishing goals. I'll be continuing that through my barra guiding buisness on Awoonga and Monduran.

    For those of you that have learned anything from me, whether it be from the Fishing DVD or other, that was the aim. I will continue to pass knowledge whilst I am learning myself. (the hard way, not from watching others)
    For those with agenda's, and yes you most certainly know who you are, if you put the same passion into your fishing, I'd expect to see you on AFC next year, or if you hate comps that much, perhaps kicking goals eleswhere. Good luck to you.

    To everyone who has PM'd regarding the frog, or a subject I have been able to help on, thanks sincerely I havent had time to reply to you all.
    Cheers and happy fishing.
    Jas

  12. #57

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    ....and to advance further, the public really only just get to see what is promoted through smart marketing. Those that do choose to lay low, remain reasonably quiet and have spent 20 + years in a barra game do see the big picture that unfortunatley gets missed by the sponge like public that absorb and believe all they can that is on offer. To expand any angler's world, for every lure smartly marketed I can guarantee you many more lures that can produce the same and much better results. More ways to skin a cat than just one. And to go on past scribes from inexperienced barra anglers preaching to the world through magazine articles is as bluff and as misleading as ever. Turn back a couple of years only,,,or less, for some laughable material that unfortunatley misleads the viewer and sends them way off track. I tear my hair out at the crap that gets written about barra,,,,,at your expense viewers.
    For those people who read that material, I'm so sorry that it ever goes to print. Writers don't do apprenticeships nor does the content get screened for accuracy by those really in the know.
    Sadly it is often for advantage of the individual or company rather than true care and wellbeing of the public. Magazines are advertising tools. I've sat and copped it for too long now and it is time that the public got a much better deal. A few truths will be exposed and new doors opened in the coming twelve months. Just wait for that one!
    Anglers are being held back. Ask yourself this question...."Why is it that the country's leading impoundment barra tournaments are dominated by 2 teenage anglers of less than 3 years experience in a barra history that is dominated by adult presence? And why and how does an overseas American visitor come to a barra lake with little barra nous and win a two day round of competition on the waters of Awoonga where experienced anglers abound? Australia is being held back. Maybe it is time to question everything you read and everything you see. Do anglers also then hold themselves back by looking for the next best promoted lure or next latest and greatest magazine article instead of stopping and smelling the roses and refining basic thinking, hunting and problem solving skills.
    Are readers slowly being trained to feed from print instead of advancing in the field or in their own way? Are we being programmed to tune in and read?
    Is influencial bias healthy??
    Food for thought for minds that open.
    Johnny Mitchell
    Last edited by A_DIFF_PERSPECTIVE; 09-06-2008 at 03:07 PM.

  13. #58

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    Jonny , Jas , Trev , Rod ... & others that fall into the guru category ...... you guys are legends & we all feed off what you guys have to say ....... I'm sadden to read some of the responses of late which seemed to be based on protecting a bit of turf .... be it for commercial reasons or competitiveness
    Get over it ....... help others , make a living ....... or whatever ......... Just dont make digs at one another as a means of point scoring.
    For Christ sakes you guys are better than that !

    sorry

    Nagg

  14. #59

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    I certainly hope those Taylor boys are being paid
    by Shimano and Steve Morgan.

    Anything else is exploitation.

    Morgan should pay them just to turn up to ABT events.
    Yep, appearance money - and not have them sleeping on the ground, eating two minute noodles.

    I would hope that a mega-buck, in your face company like Shimano would be putting more then gear. The money they
    spend of Steve Starling's boxing lessons would be a start. I'll talk to John Dunphy about it next time we catch up.
    Last edited by rod harrison; 10-06-2008 at 06:23 AM.

  15. #60

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    It's about the general public Nagg. That's the bottom line. I'm happy to stick my nose out now so poor old Joe Bloe gets a fair chop. The full story. No harm in truths, more positives than anything. The only thing I'm keen to protect is the absorbent minds of learners. It doesn't bother me, I know the full yarn, I'm sure others would like to advance beyond their time too.
    Cheers,
    Johnny
    Last edited by A_DIFF_PERSPECTIVE; 10-06-2008 at 07:20 AM.

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