well done baychaser,you are starting to sound like a true fisherman, never give up,if i was you i would invest in either a cheap bait fridge or a cast net, cause if you keep throwing your bait away its going to cost you a fourtune, you got to learn to catch it yourself or store it in the fridge in the garage where the missus wont complain about it, good to hear from you, keep it up and looking forward to see some good photos, cheers bennykenny.