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  1. #91

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Quote Originally Posted by Boblee View Post
    It appears that our mate Derek has been doing a bit of trolling here and perhaps thats the only fishing he actually does.
    A quick look at his website and we see a message from and link to the humane society, now there would be few fishermen or any other sort of hunter who condones cruelty but this mob are straight out animal liberation and dead set against any sort of hunting including fishing.
    It looks like Dereks vote was always going to the Dimocrats (against hunting too)or even worse the Greasy Greens and all the rest of this thread has been about doing as much damage to any real representaion for hunting in any form at the booths.
    I must say he's played a few blokes out pretty well and even got spooled a couple of times but think he's due to be busted off.
    Anyone who would suggest a vote for the dimocrats or greasy greens is no friend of hunting and that certainly includes fishing.
    How many times are you going to edit this before I can reply.

    Where did your quotes from Hansard go.

    If you look at this thread you will see that I have previously expressed my support for the Human Society and the work they do in preserving endangered wildlife so thats not new.


    http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/sho...d.php?t=108779

  2. #92

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Sorry about that Derek but haven't been on this site for a while and it's a bit different to others (lost my edit).
    The links to hansard are about an ECO developer who greenwashed the authorities to get a clear run before a member of our club picked it up.
    I must say the co operation from all hunters has been nothing short of fantastic and that includes the SWAA.
    We will all work together or sink together especially locally with VEAC on one side of the river and Garret wanting NP's on the other side
    Last edited by Boblee; 11-11-2007 at 06:18 PM.

  3. #93

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    I know all about the Corowa debacle but we are going to have to disagree on another area. I believe that National Parks are needed to protect those red gum wetlands along the Murray.

  4. #94

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Bullock View Post
    I know all about the Corowa debacle but we are going to have to disagree on another area. I believe that National Parks are needed to protect those red gum wetlands along the Murray.
    OOPS!

  5. #95

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Wow,

    What fun Ausfish is becoming when I'm not online in a while.

    I think the most important point to make here is that people have the right to believe in what ever they want. People always have and always will. People will also always disagree with them.

    This thread highlights that. It's when those believes start to corrode into what we call "daily society" then that's when history shows we have a few issues. On the whole the population of the earth has managed to correct the majority but there's still a few around the place that could do with some cleaning up.

    But this thread highlight another very important point. Why let anyone else decide your vote if you feel that impassioned about it. Voting below the line is the only way to go if you want to control your Senate vote.

    I'll end on one rather disturbing note - I have met two who I would call "upstanding members of the community" since being back here in Tassie who I consider very sane people. The difference with both of these people is that have both tried to convince me of the conspiracy theory revolving around the Port Arthur massacre. I've even been given the CD's, DVD's and written material they support.

    They are the crest of what is a disturbing groundswell of people out there that believe in the same scenario.

    Regards and good luck to candidates.

    Brett.

    PS KC - minties ready

  6. #96

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Yep Bugman oops
    Of the 7000 protest submissions to VEAC I wonder how many were hunters and better still how many hunters voted for it?
    I too believe every one should vote as they believe without being belittled or denigrated but I do not believe someone should misrepresent their position in order to deceive either.
    Derek has been less than honest here as he is obviously an animal libber and there is nothing wrong with that but before trying to influence other peoples votes he should declare his true position.
    By Derek saying that he thinks National Parks down both sides of the river is a good thing he totally gives himself up as being against fishing.
    The cod along with the much of the river community has already been declared threatened (wrongly) and you don't have to be paranoid to believe that the Murray between the parks especially if Garret gets into power will also be declared a park and access will be as limited on water as on land.
    Derek is also being less than honest by trying to associate the Shooters Party and shooters interests with the Limp Dick Party as like Derek and the greasies they (LDP) use a trojan camouflage to hide their real agenda.
    Most hunters are both fishermen and shooters and sure there may be some differences at either end of the spectrum but no more than target shooters and hunters.
    Absolutely no one who supports the dimocrats and the humane society above the ASP, AFLP has fishermans interests at heart even the AFP who are more interested in power than fishing interests but will always be a wasted vote would be better.
    Having a lot of trouble getting a post together on this site as if I hit backspace I lose everything??
    Last edited by Boblee; 11-11-2007 at 10:39 PM.

  7. #97

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    It's pretty obvious that both DEREK and his mates here believe that people cannot be trusted with liberty.

    In their minds, liberty equates to anarchy.

    Struggling with self mistrust must be daunting. Thankfully very few people share your affliction.

    Liberty = Mistrust = Anarchy = Oppression. It's not a nice 'equation'.

    It's time to reflect a bit on history:
    a) "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrranize will do so; For tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men." -- Voltarine de Cleyre.

    b) "When governments fear the people, there is liberty; but when the people fear the government, that is tyranny"

    c) "In proportion as you give the State power to do things for you. You give it power to do things to you." (Nock's Grim Truth)

    Mistrusted masses are forever controlled, as are sheep in a pen - but of course, all will be for their own good, or their safety, or their wellbeing (etc ad-nauseum) as they are led to the slaughter.

    It's people like DEREK and his mates who are part of the problem.

    Peter Cunningham

  8. #98

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Quote Originally Posted by LINGUS View Post

    It's people like DEREK and his mates who are part of the problem.

    Peter Cunningham
    I don't always agree with Derek, which is healthy, but I think it's pretty funny how you join up here then pop into an existing discussion and straight away start promoting your own party & policies.

    Thankfully, most here will see that for what it is.

  9. #99

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Quote Originally Posted by LINGUS View Post
    It's pretty obvious that both DEREK and his mates here believe that people cannot be trusted with liberty.

    In their minds, liberty equates to anarchy.

    Struggling with self mistrust must be daunting. Thankfully very few people share your affliction.

    Liberty = Mistrust = Anarchy = Oppression. It's not a nice 'equation'.

    It's time to reflect a bit on history:
    a) "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrranize will do so; For tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men." -- Voltarine de Cleyre.

    b) "When governments fear the people, there is liberty; but when the people fear the government, that is tyranny"

    c) "In proportion as you give the State power to do things for you. You give it power to do things to you." (Nock's Grim Truth)

    Mistrusted masses are forever controlled, as are sheep in a pen - but of course, all will be for their own good, or their safety, or their wellbeing (etc ad-nauseum) as they are led to the slaughter.

    It's people like DEREK and his mates who are part of the problem.

    Peter Cunningham
    have to disagree, it's people like you that use the word liberty to enlist some kind of fear & mistrust into peoples lives to gain some sort of personal power that has ruined what it stands for.

    we all want to achieve the same results, i just don't need some gung ho redneck telling me that we all need to be armed to the teeth & that everything is a conspiracy to get our weapons from us. I suppose this is all a plot so that the 'yellow hoard' can overthrow the country with little resistance from us. But, hang on, you will save us ...

    i don't have a problem with people having guns, i too, think the resulting kneejerk action from Port Arthur was wrong. I don't believe that guns should have had to be handed back. Criminals & psychos will always have access to guns & other weapons if required. Just don't try cramming your left wing, redneck, nazi bulls**t down our throats & then try & explain the defensive comments away as those of greenie types.

    As for 'very few people share your affliction' you don't truly believe that your ideas are a majority do you?

    did you come here just to try & destabilize this thread? Most here know Derek & 'most' would have ignored him & got on with it.

    personally, i don't believe the 'Port Arthur' conspiracy thing. I find it very, very cleverly put together, even with spelling mistakes but time has proven that two people can take a single subject, argue opposite ways & with selective editing, both be proven to be right.
    If i am wrong i will be the first to admit so & apologise.

  10. #100

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Most here know Derek & 'most' would have ignored him & got on with it.
    Thats not nice

    I am actually sitting here pissing myself laughinging at these blokes. What it shows to me is that what I have always believed about these sort of people is actually true. All they are doing is making sure that reasonable thinking people would never vote for them. They take a little bit of information and in their fanatacism turn it into a major issue without bothering to collect all the facts. It's quite obvious that they haven't even bothered to read all of this thread, let alone the rest of the threads in the "News" section to see what is actually going on here.

    Do you know I had never even really heard of the Liberty and Democracy Party until Peter came on here. Now I am accused of being one. Hehehehehehe.

    Peter your definition of "Liberty" comes as just about word perfect from http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=liberty

    That same site gives a definition of "Anarchy" as being "a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)" To me thats what you are preaching. http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=anarchy

    Anyway, enough fun. If you look at all the threads on here you will see that I was actively promoting the Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party, even posting up all of their posters and logos that were emailed to me by Kev Collins, a bloke I still admire greatly despite all of this. It was only when I found out that the AFLP were running a joint ticket with The Shooters Party in my current state that I withdrew my support for them.

    Simple as that. Now let's get on with the election, or maybe I should go and clean my weapons.

  11. #101

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    DR - People like me using fear and mistrust??? I'm just stating fact. Have you not noticed the ever eroding freedoms, and the ever more forceful state, and increasing police powers and more and more control by 'authorities' that have us serving them - or be fined at every turn?

    That said, some of your next tempering words are refreshing, and no - in your conclusion, you are not wrong, in fact spot on.

    Then suddenly I am "some gung ho redneck telling me that we all need to be armed to the teeth & that everything is a conspiracy to get our weapons from us. I suppose this is all a plot so that the 'yellow hoard' can overthrow the country with little resistance from us........." The demons within you are active little blighters aren't they? - or just a bit too much whacky weed? I haven't once mentioned "conspiracy" nor suggesting that people be "armed to the teeth", and NO - I didn't come here to destabilise anything - to me that's like graffiti - unwanted and unnecessary.

    Furthermore, I didn't mention Pt Arthur in anything I've said - you did! Perhaps it was to explain your stance. In fact I again agree with you, which of course means I agree with Derek in an earlier posting (Page 4 I think). That said, Derek speaks with forked tongue and is insulting to all gun owners - bad vibes!

    Nontheless, your mental gyrations are indeed 'athletic'.

    Dicko (what an unfortunate name) - Well then good sir - please enlighten people as to when is an appropriate time to enter an open discussion?

    Before anybody jumps in and say I'm peddling LDP - I haven't and I'm not - but somewhere in the flurry of words it could be seen that way.

    I'm a bit confused here;
    a) Does believing in personal freedom of choice and of thought with appropriate responsibility and accountability, really make one left wing?

    b) If so, then the quest must be 'right wing', and to unflinchingly suffer the nanny state, and be oppressed with conformity?

    c) I defined "Liberty", and Derek and Pinhead agreed that liberty = anarchy, which of course means that everybody cannot be trusted and therefore controlled - Derek's crowning achievement was to find the likely definition source (it wasn't, but that's irrelevant).

    Derek and Pinhead would have the reader believe that liberty to anarchy, then conveniently label people like me with tags such as "redneck". DR took it further into fantasyland.

    Make up your own mind what you think is valid: LIBERTY
    a) Using his link: anarchy, lawlessness (a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)). Duhhh!

    b) Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty
    Liberty is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will.
    Individualist and liberal conceptions of liberty relate to the freedom of the individual from outside compulsion;
    A socialist perspective, on the other hand, associates liberty with equality. As such, a socialist connects liberty (i.e. freedom) to the equal distribution of power (i.e. democracy), arguing that liberty without equality amounts to the domination of the most powerful. Thus, freedom and democracy are seen as intrinsically connected.

    Obviously people like me who believe such things as Liberty and TRUE Democracy are "rednecks" and, and, and

    What I've been trying to say all along that you blokes are much like us, and are progressively being made suffer restrictions and regulations that will eventually see you fishing in cyberspace on your computer - that is of course only if your PC is powered by solar (etc). But of course we will be much better off because we will be "Safer" driving a PC than out fishing or shooting feral animals or paper targets. And as fishing and hunting (not abbatiors of course) kill things, then overall - "lives will be saved" and the politicans can crow that misleading fact - they we vote for more. It's the constant social re-engineering that is the problem and people impotent to stop it in the current system we all suffer.

    I explained that I've seen and been involved in it all before - way back in the late 60s, early 70s. I've seen that when fragmented we fall, and I don't want to see that happen again because there's not much left to loose. And like many if not most other shooters / hunters, I do fish - I dive and main interest is marine biology, not guns.

    Anyway - it's a pointless squabble. I just wish we could all get together and form one voting block. If that be the Aust Shooters Party or the AFLP it really doesn't matter, so long as whoever may attain some political influence, does represent our shared interests to ensure that fellow outdoors types are not stomped on by the many within government that ardently seek to define and control everything.

    Peter Cunningham

  12. #102

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Just jumping in to remind ASIO to update my file I will be boothworking for the AFLP this election day.

    cheers fnq
    Last edited by FNQCairns; 12-11-2007 at 03:41 PM.



  13. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINGUS View Post
    or just a bit too much whacky weed?
    nah, given up the weed since i found out about Bindeez, damn i love the red ones....& put on a bit of Robin Trower

  14. #104

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Quote Originally Posted by LINGUS View Post
    DR - People like me using fear and mistrust??? I'm just stating fact. Have you not noticed the ever eroding freedoms, and the ever more forceful state, and increasing police powers and more and more control by 'authorities' that have us serving them - or be fined at every turn?

    That said, some of your next tempering words are refreshing, and no - in your conclusion, you are not wrong, in fact spot on.

    Then suddenly I am "some gung ho redneck telling me that we all need to be armed to the teeth & that everything is a conspiracy to get our weapons from us. I suppose this is all a plot so that the 'yellow hoard' can overthrow the country with little resistance from us........." The demons within you are active little blighters aren't they? - or just a bit too much whacky weed? I haven't once mentioned "conspiracy" nor suggesting that people be "armed to the teeth", and NO - I didn't come here to destabilise anything - to me that's like graffiti - unwanted and unnecessary.

    Furthermore, I didn't mention Pt Arthur in anything I've said - you did! Perhaps it was to explain your stance. In fact I again agree with you, which of course means I agree with Derek in an earlier posting (Page 4 I think). That said, Derek speaks with forked tongue and is insulting to all gun owners - bad vibes!

    Nontheless, your mental gyrations are indeed 'athletic'.

    Dicko (what an unfortunate name) - Well then good sir - please enlighten people as to when is an appropriate time to enter an open discussion?

    Before anybody jumps in and say I'm peddling LDP - I haven't and I'm not - but somewhere in the flurry of words it could be seen that way.

    I'm a bit confused here;
    a) Does believing in personal freedom of choice and of thought with appropriate responsibility and accountability, really make one left wing?

    b) If so, then the quest must be 'right wing', and to unflinchingly suffer the nanny state, and be oppressed with conformity?

    c) I defined "Liberty", and Derek and Pinhead agreed that liberty = anarchy, which of course means that everybody cannot be trusted and therefore controlled - Derek's crowning achievement was to find the likely definition source (it wasn't, but that's irrelevant).

    Derek and Pinhead would have the reader believe that liberty to anarchy, then conveniently label people like me with tags such as "redneck". DR took it further into fantasyland.

    Make up your own mind what you think is valid: LIBERTY
    a) Using his link: anarchy, lawlessness (a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)). Duhhh!

    b) Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty
    Liberty is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will.
    Individualist and liberal conceptions of liberty relate to the freedom of the individual from outside compulsion;
    A socialist perspective, on the other hand, associates liberty with equality. As such, a socialist connects liberty (i.e. freedom) to the equal distribution of power (i.e. democracy), arguing that liberty without equality amounts to the domination of the most powerful. Thus, freedom and democracy are seen as intrinsically connected.

    Obviously people like me who believe such things as Liberty and TRUE Democracy are "rednecks" and, and, and

    What I've been trying to say all along that you blokes are much like us, and are progressively being made suffer restrictions and regulations that will eventually see you fishing in cyberspace on your computer - that is of course only if your PC is powered by solar (etc). But of course we will be much better off because we will be "Safer" driving a PC than out fishing or shooting feral animals or paper targets. And as fishing and hunting (not abbatiors of course) kill things, then overall - "lives will be saved" and the politicans can crow that misleading fact - they we vote for more. It's the constant social re-engineering that is the problem and people impotent to stop it in the current system we all suffer.

    I explained that I've seen and been involved in it all before - way back in the late 60s, early 70s. I've seen that when fragmented we fall, and I don't want to see that happen again because there's not much left to loose. And like many if not most other shooters / hunters, I do fish - I dive and main interest is marine biology, not guns.

    Anyway - it's a pointless squabble. I just wish we could all get together and form one voting block. If that be the Aust Shooters Party or the AFLP it really doesn't matter, so long as whoever may attain some political influence, does represent our shared interests to ensure that fellow outdoors types are not stomped on by the many within government that ardently seek to define and control everything.

    Peter Cunningham
    damn...comprehension mustn't be one of your better skills...show me where I said that?

    we have sufficient liberties in this country to live a peaceful and fruitful life..if you don't like it then perhaps some migration to one of the following countries may suit you better..Iran, Zimbabwe, Sudan or many others you could choose from.

  15. #105

    Re: Who Is Telling The Most Lies - And Who Is Going To Get Caught Out First

    Pinhead - As they show:

    Subject matter Post: 73 - my first.

    Pinhead - Post 80: "Using words like Liberty and enemy etc...that also paints different pictures which can polarise those that don't share your viewpoint."

    Pinhead - Post 81: I read some the LDP website..wow..some intersting stuff their...just a lil bit further right than Attile the Hun.

    Derek Chimed in and agreed with you - Post 83: Couldn't agree more.

    I responded - Post 84: In there I provided a definition of "Liberty", and concluded with " DEREK and PINHEAD believe that liberty is "...just a lil bit further right than Attile the Hun.".

    Pinhead - Post 85: "I would not even want to be in the same room as Lingus...talk about ridiculous statements."

    Derek - Post 87: " He isn't talking about Liberty. What he is on about, confirmed to me by his policies on his website is Anarchy."

    I responded - Post 97: "It's pretty obvious that both DEREK and his mates here believe that people cannot be trusted with liberty. In their minds, liberty equates to anarchy."

    Derek - Post 100: Again equates liberty to anarchy. " Peter your definition of "Liberty" comes as just about word perfect from http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=liberty" Then for reasons unknown, tried to confirm that Liberty equates to Anarchy " That same site gives a definition of "Anarchy" as being "a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)" To me thats what you are preaching. http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=anarchy Far from it.

    I responded - Post 101: I put forward the reference to both Liberty and Democracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty which contrasts with the mischievous actions of Derek.

    Pinhead - Post 104: After a lapse you visited and asked "..show me where I said that?"

    Well - there it is.
    You dislike the use of meaningful words such as "Liberty" and "Enemy"
    You visited the LDP site and determined that the principles for which we stand - "Liberty" and "Democracy" are "...just a lil bit further right than Attile the Hun."
    Derek agrees with you.
    You jump in and become more forthright.
    So far the the equation is that in at least your two minds - Liberty equates to Anarchy - and I vehemently disagree with that.

    Perhaps my comprehension is not so bad.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter. The issue as pointed out by some blokes here is not so much what was said, but the way I said it. Probably right too.

    An aside - This site really is EXCELLENT. Full of information from all angles. I would rate it as the best I've visited. DR seems a decent sort of bloke, as

    I just hope we are not undermined and can gain some representation in order to preserve at least our respective recreations.

    That's enuf from me - I need my beauty sleep!
    Peter Cunningham

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