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  1. #151

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    From what I have seen here it requires a fair bit of skill and a well setup vessel in order to fish Cheers

    Neil
    That would be an understatement in it own right!!
    Also I would have to add a small remarks as in $$$ terms as everyone refers to $$$ and fish nowaday if you catch more than 2 fish it's almost a criminal offense..

    Most of the frequent shelf fisher alsway say a steep learning curve, well all I wanted to say, that steep learning curve = many thousands of $$$$ = no fish.
    Just my 2 cent. that's all I ot left.

    It is not always about maximun fish number, it's a well balance time management plus abiding by the law and safety margin at the same time making sure it is sustainable, but most important of all, that you have fun getting bashed around learning!!
    Last edited by hungry6; 16-09-2007 at 03:57 PM.
    Humility is not a weather condition.

  2. #152

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    As GM said....many days are spend venturing out to the shelf...only to find the tide ripping....and when it rips out there then trying to fish is useless....I have seen on Crab boats working here...they have 5/ 8 inch poly buoys spaced over 5 fathom...all been pulled under due to tide...

    As for Costs...well i wont even go there....those of you who do venture offshore...understand costs....

    GM...I like you description of us West Coasters....just remember....you had 2 heads once....

    Mick

  3. #153

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by snelly1971 View Post
    Maybe you should shut you mouth Nagg...

    Where i live..we are lucky to get out fishing...as due to our wild coast line...maybe that is why our fisheries are going so strong and get stronger..

    There is a board...made up of commercial...rec..and government bodies who make the rules to which we are to abide by...

    The rules are made so that all fisheries are sustainable...so why do you think they would allow us 30 hooks on drop...or longlines if it was not sustainable

    There is alot worse things happening in our fisheries then some poor old amature..heading out doing the right thing....gee 20 or 30 hooks eh..

    There have been cases here of trawlers catching 90 to 100 tons of fish and having to cut the net to let them sink back to the bottom dead..because they had no quota for the caught specie..

    Nagg...How many times have you caught an undersize fish and released it

    Do the undersize you catch and release always live

    If Jigs is following State laws regarding to long..or drop lines...then you should shut your mouth and winge somewhere else...

    Mick
    yeh to right snelly.
    Reidy

  4. #154

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by reidy View Post
    yeh to right snelly.
    Reidy
    IN HITLER WE TRUST! ... Nagg

  5. #155

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    IN HITLER WE TRUST! ... Nagg

    G'day

    I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but with the above comment,.... wtf?

    Dave

  6. #156

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackened View Post
    G'day

    I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but with the above comment,.... wtf?

    Dave

    AND ! .... we still dont see your involvement ..... My comment comes from the idea of ... If it is law,,,, it must be OK ! .... No questions asked .... because the government knows best ..... Nagg

  7. #157

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Nagg
    Plenty of question are asked every year to do with tassie fisheries, both fresh and salt. Changes to regs are made quite often with in put from all parties with an interest. I really wish in stead of putting up continued negitive comments you would at least do your own research on tassie fisheries, pro, rec salt and fresh. There has been links to infomation posted in this post and you dont even seem to be reading those. Not saying every thing in tassie is right but compared to some other places we are definately in front. Like I pointed out in a previus post that we allow NO NETTING in our eustary systems but you failed to even agknowledge that that is more advance than other aust states.
    Dont know what else I can say except I fish within our state laws when IN Tassie, when in another state I fish within there rules, I am not going to try and change laws in other states but for 30 years I have had an input into ours and at times had official postions.
    Come down for a fish Naggs, I believe like others, you will enjoy what we have to offer.
    cheers
    blaze
    ps
    I too take offence at your reference to hitler
    Last edited by blaze; 28-09-2007 at 08:40 PM.

  8. #158

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by blaze View Post
    Nagg
    Plenty of question are asked every year to do with tassie fisheries, both fresh and salt. Changes to regs are made quite often with in put from all parties with an interest. I really wish in stead of putting up continued negitive comments you would at least do your own research on tassie fisheries, pro, rec salt and fresh. There has been links to infomation posted in this post and you dont even seem to be reading those. Not saying every thing in tassie is right but compared to some other places we are definately in front. Like I pointed out in a previus post that we allow NO NETTING in our eustary systems but you failed to even agknowledge that that is more advance than other aust states.
    Dont know what else I can say except I fish within our state laws when IN Tassie, when in another state I fish within there rules, I am not going to try and change laws in other states but for 30 years I have had an input into ours and at times had official postions.
    Come down for a fish Naggs, I believe like others, you will enjoy what we have to offer.
    cheers
    blaze
    ps
    I too take offence at your reference to hitler
    Blaze ..... My response was aimed directly at one for their (short) reply & support of what I thought was an unhelpful & uncalled for response to a healthy debate The reference wasn't meant to be offensive ( just extreme)
    Nagg
    PS .... Not trying to change anyone's regs .... just expressing an opinion
    PPS .... There are plenty of examples of what I dont agree with , in the NSW regs too

  9. #159

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Nagg dont even start on other states regulations. There's plenty of regulations in ALL states that leave alot to be desired.
    Slot limits would be good in NSW, Casts nets arent great for estuarys, Bag limits need to be reviewed frequently, the commercial sector in ALL states needs to be torn apart.
    This debate is about the state of tasmania's fisheries and their upkeep.
    I agree with what snelly and the other guys are saying that with such limited numbers of boats fishing their area the limits imposed upon them are fair and reasonable. Otherwise it would be more economically efficient to simply go support the commercial industry which, from what i have read both publically and experienced when working in the industry, absolutely decimates certain species which occur in the region. Im not exactly sure on all of the species but orange roughy has just had a total ban placed on it as their numbers are nowhere near where they should be.
    As for the hitler comment, im not even going to start on it.

  10. #160

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Hitler??

    What a stupid comment

    Hitler new SFA about fishing the shelf

    Cheers

    Pete

  11. #161

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand_Marlin View Post

    Hitler new SFA about fishing the shelf



    Pete

    LMAO

    Maybe we should ask bush, howard, blair, hussien and arafat whilst we're at it?

    (yes I know some of them aren't around any more )

    Dave

  12. #162

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    Blaze ..... My response was aimed directly at one for their (short) reply & support of what I thought was an unhelpful & uncalled for response to a healthy debate The reference wasn't meant to be offensive ( just extreme)
    Nagg
    PS .... Not trying to change anyone's regs .... just expressing an opinion
    PPS .... There are plenty of examples of what I dont agree with , in the NSW regs too
    The more you go on Nagg ...The bigger idiot i find you to be.....Blaze and Pete have put up info but of course you cant read the facts....

    It just seems that if information is put forward to prove that our fisheries are well managed then you just ignore the facts...and go on to something else.

    I have nothing against you Nagg....but the more you post in this thread...The more i think you are a Greenie Extremist...The sort that will just go on and on...even when the facts are there for all to see....

    Mick

    PS....We have just had a 3 week period of 30 to 40 knots ....4-14 meter seas and there is at least another week of it....Maybe that is why our fisheries are protected from being overfished.....

    Mick

  13. #163

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    This is worth a look


    Cape Sorell Waverider Buoy Observations


    Located at 42.12S, 145.03E
    (Approximately 10 Km West of Cape Sorell, West Tasmania)


    Latest data at 20:00 on Saturday, 29 Sep 2007 (EST).
    IMPORTANT:- The significant wave height is the average height of the highest one third of the waves. The likely maximum wave height can be up to twice the significant wave height.
    Click here for Wave Height or Wave Period.
    Significant Wave Height (Hs) & Maximum Wave Height (Hmax)

    Zero Crossing Wave Period (Tz) & Max Energy Wave Period (Tp)


    Document created: 20070929213003 Key Hs Height of significant wave (metres). This is the average height of the highest one third of the waves in the record. Hmax Maximum height of the waves (metres) in the record. Tz Average time (seconds) between all waves in the record. Tp The peak energy period (seconds) is the period of the dominant waves in the record. Notes

    This page contains wave observations from a moored Waverider buoy located approximately 10 Km West of Cape Sorell, West Tasmania in 55 fathoms (100 metres). Location: 42.12S, 145.03E.
    • These data are automatically generated and are not quality controlled.
    • All times and dates are in Tasmanian local time.
    • Each 'observation' (or record) is obtained by sampling the waves for 27 minutes.
    • This page is automatically updated every hour from available data.
    Queries relating to this service should be directed to the Marine Officer in our Tasmanian Regional Office.

  14. #164

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    IN HITLER WE TRUST! ... Nagg
    And heres your reply mate
    One great uncle Trobruk 1941, another El Alamein 1942 (both lost)
    both 9th div 2rd A.I.F.
    dont see any national socialists among the above only those who attempted to protect the free world from the ideaoligys of facism.
    STICK IT COBBER.
    You fish as you deem fit.
    We fish as we deem fit
    Live and let live
    Now bugger off
    Reidy
    Last edited by reidy; 01-10-2007 at 04:07 PM.

  15. #165

    Re: bottom bouncing the shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by snelly1971 View Post
    The more you go on Nagg ...The bigger idiot i find you to be.....Blaze and Pete have put up info but of course you cant read the facts....

    It just seems that if information is put forward to prove that our fisheries are well managed then you just ignore the facts...and go on to something else.

    I have nothing against you Nagg....but the more you post in this thread...The more i think you are a Greenie Extremist...The sort that will just go on and on...even when the facts are there for all to see....

    Mick

    PS....We have just had a 3 week period of 30 to 40 knots ....4-14 meter seas and there is at least another week of it....Maybe that is why our fisheries are protected from being overfished.....

    Mick
    Mick ... You are entitled to your opinion ... As always (I just wont tell you or anyone else to shut their mouth) ........ maybe if there was a little less of the antagonistic responses ... we just may hear from a few other members . .. Any how .... I'm really over the whole thing ..... & Yes I can read .... But regardless of what is posted with regardless to catch rates , weather ... what ever ..... I am happy to sit with my own opinion ..... Now ... Having said that , I can go back to gearing up for my North Queensland barra, Saratoga, Bass , Jacks , GT , Salmon , Coral trout , Mackerel etc etc .... & Hopefully many will swim free + Some mud crab (which if within the regs.... will be in the pot ) ... Nagg

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