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jaybee
02-09-2003, 06:24 PM
BBC News

Fish are socially intelligent creatures who do not deserve their reputation as the dim-wits of the animal kingdom, according to a group of leading scientists.
Rather than simply being instinct-driven, the group says fish are cunning, manipulative and even cultured.

The three experts from the universities of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Leeds said there had been huge changes in science's understanding of the psychological and mental abilities of fish in the last few years.

Writing in the journal Fish and Fisheries, biologists Calum Brown, Keven Laland and Jens Krause said fish were now seen as highly intelligent creatures.

They said: "Gone (or at least obsolete) is the image of fish as drudging and dim-witted pea-brains, driven largely by 'instinct',' with what little behavioural flexibility they possess being severely hampered by an infamous 'three-second memory'.

Behaviour patterns

"Now, fish are regarded as steeped in social intelligence, pursuing Machiavellian strategies of manipulation, punishment and reconciliation, exhibiting stable cultural traditions, and co-operating to inspect predators and catch food."

Recent research had shown that fish recognised individual "shoal mates", social prestige and even tracked relationships.

Scientists had also observed them using tools, building complex nests and exhibiting long-term memories.

The scientists added: "Although it may seem extraordinary to those comfortably used to pre-judging animal intelligence on the basis of brain volume, in some cognitive domains, fishes can even be favourably compared to non-human primates."

They said fish were the most ancient of the major vertebrate groups, giving them "ample time" to evolve complex, adaptable and diverse behaviour patterns that rivalled those of other vertebrates.

"These developments warrant a re-appraisal of the behavioural flexibility of fishes, and highlight the need for a deeper understanding of the learning processes that underpin the newly recognised behavioural and social sophistication of this taxon," said the scientists.

aido
02-09-2003, 07:07 PM
i can vouch for the fishes intelligence.
when they see me comming they swim far away.
yep, they are smart little buggers.

seriously though, octopus and squid are the real smarties.
saw a show once filmed an octopus leave its tank, eat a crab or something
in the tank next to it, then return to it's original tank and act like it was innocent, lol.

jaybee
03-09-2003, 10:02 AM
aido i wouldnt be surprised if they were the same people that said fish feel pain. having said that today we are fishing a lot different to 20 yrs ago
cheers.

Lucky_Phill
03-09-2003, 12:33 PM
The study was done by Brittish ' experts'.

Say no more ! ;) ::)

Phill

PinHead
03-09-2003, 05:28 PM
Surely these "experts" could do something a little more constructive with their time. Well hell..my life would be in absolute turmoil if I even suspected fish had those qualities they mention. Methinks those scientists should give up the happy weed and get a real job.

Just remember what an expert is:

X is an unknown quantity and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

Maxg
04-09-2003, 11:07 PM
I think it would depend on what specie or species that were used for the research. There are 25,000 fish species, about, and it stands to reason that some are smarter than others. But if they were of the genius class, do you think you would catch them. Successful fishing is mostly a result of the fishes ignorance than the expert skill levels of the average angler. In fact if the 4.5 million people in OZ who fish often and/or occasionally, 90% catch bugger all. There is a need for science, it isn't all rubbish. Max

Volvo
05-09-2003, 01:27 AM
Ofcourse it aint all rubish ::). Anyone havin seen the movie "Findin Nemo" would know that. Even the Tuttles there were smart ey ;).
::)

Gazza
06-09-2003, 01:23 PM
Ahhh Volvo ,hope that little guy escaped from "that" hellhole of a place ;D ;D ;D

Of course fish are smarter than scientists!!! :-X :-X :-X
They're always in SCHOOL(s) !!! :D :D ;) 24hrs/day ;)