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PinHead
25-04-2004, 01:06 AM
Whatever you may be doing this long weekend...just spare a thought for those that are no longer with us yet they provided us with the freedoms we have now. Spare a thought for the diggers..both living and dead..Lest We Forget.

Brett_Finger
25-04-2004, 02:51 AM
Least we Forget...... Thanks to ALL Diggers from ALL conflicts.
Hookin,Brett

Maria
25-04-2004, 03:32 AM
Yeah definately guys, I'll second that one.

Just don't forget the true meaning behind why we have a day off on Monday, and the men and women that won't be able to share it too - because of current conflict, or past.

May our thoughts be with those involved in past or present conflict.

Lest we forget

BurdekinBob
25-04-2004, 03:50 AM
Show your thoughts by attending a Dawn Parade before going fishing, and then enjoy your weekend.
Bob

el_carpo
25-04-2004, 10:53 AM
I know most of my posts have been silly but this is most definately going to be an exception.

As an American, I want to extend a billion thank-you's not only to the brave and excellent men and women of your armed forces, but to the entire nation of Australia. Your nation has heard and answered the call throughout your history. Unlike some, you haven't cut and run at the first sign of trouble. Unlike some, your nation did not put economic and political considerations before doing the right thing. Unlike some, the Australian people MEANT IT when you said that you grieved with us here in the U.S. when the terrorists murdered 3000 innocent people. Unlike some, your leaders are standing strong and tall in the face of the terrorists. Unlike some, you understand the nature of the new and unique threat these terrorists pose to those who will not bow down to their insane militant fundamentalist views. Unlike some, your businesses will continue to get money from my pocket when I go shopping for goods. Finally, unlike some, you have my undying appreciation and love for what you have sacrificed and are continuing to sacrifice. You have no idea how much your friendship and loyalty means to us here. Without your help, they win. It's that simple. They'd pick us off one by one. France's bullying power grab for control of the E.U. and the U.N. in a time of crisis, will go down in history as the most selfish and cowardly act ever committed by a "free" nation. They cost me dearly and I'll never forgive them. EVER. Had they only helped....

Once the "Hipness" of "America bashing" that the socialist/communists of the world are enjoying wears off, it will be we nations who fought and died for freedom and stood up for what is right that will stand victorious and vindicated. The smoke and mirrors won't hide them forever.

It is the blood, sweat, tears and sacrifices of our soldiers that keep the free world free. We owe them a debt that can never be repayed. I'll never forget what you've done Australia. You are a true friend and ally.

From the bottom of my heart, with my entire being, and on behalf of my family, friends, and country, God bless you and thank you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I have something in my eyes.

Fitzy
25-04-2004, 11:45 AM
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
Lest we forget

trevcob
25-04-2004, 01:51 PM
THanks gents thay were all great reading and gave me a good fealing .And thats what its all about not forgetting our frends and mates .That leves the Frogs out there got none

priemsy
26-04-2004, 01:28 PM
El Carpo. Nice sentiments mate, but I don't agree with you completely. Not every Australian agrees with the war in Irak, Terrorism yes. After surviving a little adventure in South East Asia A few decades ago, I'm a bit skeptical about any other such adventures. Especialy with a son serving in the forces now. Anyway we shouldn't be fighting wars,we should be out there fihing.
Paul

el_carpo
26-04-2004, 02:20 PM
Fair enough. I know it's not a very popular war. We're losing a load of soldiers here and it's tough to cope with (a large percentage are from Illinois). I do think that creating a stable area in the Middle East would help us win the war on terror. Maybe the folks there would see that we really aren't the, "Great Satan" that their leaders all tell them we are. That there is a better life for them rather than blowing themselves up in suicide attacks. What I will definatley agree with you on is the need for the politicians to heed the advice of the military in matters of war. When they try to run things, you get what happened in Vietnam (you know that far better than I). I'm afraid that none of us will be alive to see the end of the war on terror. I think we're going to be dealing with these psychos for a very long time. Anyway, we may disagree about Iraq, but I'll definately keep your son and all the other sons and daughters in the armed forces in my thoughts and prayers. Be safe and good fishing.

Kerry
26-04-2004, 04:22 PM
People, it would be fairly obvious that most people even most yanks (inlcuding el_carpo) have some respect but unfortuneatley there are some yanks that have a totally obnoxious and arrogrant attitude

As an example try this Cracker yank (wank)

http://forums.worldclasscats.com/thread.jspa?forumID=13&threadID=1181&tstart=0

So don't be shy, forget the polictics some yanks (not inlcuding El_carpo and many many others) really need to be put in their rightfull palce, some are complete wankers, feel free.

Cheers, Kerry.

blaze
26-04-2004, 04:33 PM
kerry there is wankers in every race
cheers
blaze

jaybee
26-04-2004, 04:37 PM
Gee kerry i never saw you speak like that before. must have really got ya dander up eh. good onya. oh and i also believe what you said above. after being on 5 major excercises with the marines, not all but some leave a little to be desired. oh elcarpo thanks for your respect mate.
cheers
Joe.

banshee
26-04-2004, 04:58 PM
Kerry,does it cost anything to creat an account with these arseholes?

Kerry
26-04-2004, 06:30 PM
Cost? not all all, it's free to Abusers, but it's really a pity that some boatie/fisho's (which we all are) have to stoop this level of down right arrograce and insolence #>:(, really in some ways it shows how low some people will go.

One word thou, the site in question apparently appears to have some real problems with "outsiders" who actually question "their" establishment but that's totally irrelevant and beside the point in question

And as far as costs are concerned big deal, one site tonight has already gone the way of the dodo and quite frankly I couldn't give a sh.., not in the mood for double standard moderators on this one, take it or leave it

Cheers, Kerry.

bidkev
26-04-2004, 06:42 PM
kerry there is wankers in every race
cheers
blaze

Hope the current discussion doesn't lose sight of what the thread was all about.

Just my two cents worth. You're right Blaze. I'm ex service as is my wife, and I have 2 sons still serving in the British Army and one recently left, who served in the first Gulf War. I myself have worked with Dutch, German, American, French, Ghurka, and Maltese troops. I've met wankers in every force I've worked with and I'll be honest, we didn't have very high regard for the American troops back then, but our conclusion was that this was in the main due to poor leadership and lack of familiarisation with what they were likely to encounter. The guys themselves, were amongst the friendliest guys I had ever met. They would have given you their last dollar and laid their lives on the line for you, and I don't doubt, that would be the case with many armed forces guys around the world. If a force is found lacking, either through the actions of the individual or as perceived by the results of the whole, then that should reflect on the leadership and not on Joe Soap. The wankers should have been weeded out during the selection process or "de-wanked" during training.

El carpo, with regards to Iraq. I'm afraid that my opinion is that the coalition is on a hiding to nothing. If the coalition were worried about WMDs and Saddam Hussein, then fine.... It's sorted......now get the hell out. There never was a public disclosure that the coalition were there to, qoute "create a democracy" which is what they are now saying. Iraq is surrounded by non-democracies who are shitting themselves that the coalition may succeed and create a role model for the rest of the Arab world. Not only are most nations in the world against the Invasion of Iraq, but the whole Arab world is now arraigned against the coalition. Even the so-called allies such as the Saudis and Kuwaitis are secretely funding the current subversion and unrest in Iraq. If a simple man such as I can see that (and I think it's plain to see as reported in some press), then why can't the leaders of the coalition see that, or do they have another agenda that makes them think it's worth putting their citizens lives at risk?

Anyway, that's off my chest and it was weighing heavily because I know what it must be like for a lot of those guys out there who are laying their lives on the line for something that they, as individuals, do not believe in. Ordinary men, wankers or acheivers, who put their country above their own beliefs and are prepared to die for that.

Tribute to the Anzacs.........and to *all* who serve their countries armed forces........and let's not forget those who are rarely officialy remembered. The aid workers who've taken a terrible toll in pre and post conflicts throughout the worlds.

Raise a glass and pause for thought, "To those who serve"

kev

PinHead
26-04-2004, 09:09 PM
WOW Kerry...go for the throat mate...you should just remind your mates on the other side of the big puddle that a lil country like ours seemed to enter both World Wars right from the beginning...not stepped in half way through and now make out they saved everyone in both conflicts.

Graham_N_Roberts
26-04-2004, 09:35 PM
Most wars are started by some arogant/stupid/half crazed/self opinionated politician or other type. But guess who pays for it in the long run. >:( The citizens and good folk belonging to both sides. :-[ :'(

Currently we have Iraqies willing to die for their belief, and we have American, British, Aussies and al list of others willing to die for their belief. That belief was this great bloody arsenel of WMD just sitting there ready to be deployed on American interests, and the moron who controlled the WMD must be stopped.

Well, they've got him, but no WMD. So I think it's time to get out now, and let the people of Iraq determine their future ..... even if that future does not fit in with our beliefs. ???

I ask .... how many more must die to satisfy "Leaders". :-/
I thought that was what our diggers of the past died for ... No more WAR. :-/

Lest we forget. :'(

el_carpo
26-04-2004, 11:06 PM
Sorry you ran into some arrogant jerk Kerry. Yes, America definately does have a lot of goofs with big mouths and little brains. The same can probably be said for most if not all countries around the world. What really makes me mad about these types of people is that they're cowards. They know that they are relatively safe saying whatever stupid, lowly thing they want because they are pretty much annonymous on the internet. I'd wager my last penny that if you were in the same room with that guy, he wouldn't dare make such moronic statements to you. You'd bust his nose! He knows it. I know it's difficult and frustrating as all get out, but trust me, don't let those nerds get to you. Take their comments for what they are, a lot of horse-s*#@ dished out by a gutless, spineless jerk. I used to fume over comments like these. Then I thought to myself, why let some goof get into my head and upset me? That's what they want us to do, to get upset. The internet has its good side and its bad side. He's not worth the anger, I guarantee it. He's a mannerless slob with no respect for anyone but himself.

As for the Mid-East, it's going to get messy. Israel has announced its intentions to kill Arafat. That tinderbox is going to blow. :-[

This whole situation has been allowed to bubble too long. Now, that bubbling has gotten too intense and the kettle is going to burst. If only these Islamic radicals would have followed someone like Ghandi instead of these crazy drug-dealing, hyporcrit, lying Imams who spout veanom and call for murdering civilians and world domination, "Kill the infidel wherever he may be." Not exactly "love thy neighbor" is it? :-/ For the past what? 50 or 60 years? We've had hijackings, bombings, kidnappings, genocides (see Africa for further details, they're slaughtering Christians hand over fist) from these folks and nothing concrete has been done about it. If the mission in Iraq fails, what other option is there? It's painfully obvious that they fully intend to kill as many of us as possible. They want the world (every time three of them get together in a room they demand autonomy from whatever nation that room is in--Indonesia, Phillipines), what they don't understand is that if they get it, it will be a charred desolate nuclear wasteland. It's an absolutley horrible, awful situation. The ONLY way out anyone has to this mess is for them to straighten up and give up terrorism or kill them all. I really don't want to contemplate killing them all :'( Leaving them alone won't do it. They keep on killing, hijacking, etc. The imams have a vested interest in all this bloodshed and won't allow it to end. A sure fire way to prompt a suicide bombing is to announce a plan to hold peace talks. The minute you do, "BOOM!" a busload of school kids in Israel gets hit. They don't want peace. Peace would put them out of work. I don't know what to do! We're in a horrible circle. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. If we could somehow get between the people and their imams, we might make some headway. A great place to start would be Saudi Arabia. Home to most of the most radical of Wahabist imams and the terrorist factories they call schools. I once read a translated Saudi school book----good Lord. :'( :'( :'(

el_carpo
26-04-2004, 11:54 PM
I'm sorry for bringing up the whole Iraq thing. I shouldn't have done it. I thought it tied in with the memorial to soldiers but really it only detracts and digresses from the main point. Honoring the dead. Sorry about this moderators and posters. I definately don't want this site to become a political debate center. It always falls into a mud slinging festival and fight. Pretty soon, people would be at eachother's throats and the site would be negatively affected. It wasn't my intention to do this but I slipped up and mentioned Iraq. So far, no one has gone off and lobbed any fireball posts. That shows that you are a great bunch of guys. Believe me, I've had more than my fill of political debates and fighting. The site I visit in Chicago (chicagolandfishing) has suffered from this. The owner of the site added a political soundoff forum and almost immediately, everyone chose sides and bashed eachother to bits. It carried over to other forums and now some people won't give advice or tips to others. Completely stupid. ::)

So, again sorry about it. I hope I've closed Pandora's box before any demons got out. :( I've sworn off participating in political and religious debates over there and I won't do it any more over here. Sorry. Especially to PinHead. You wanted to remember the veterans and I goofed up and mentioned Iraq. I feel bad about it. No more politics from me. I swear.

El Carpo, (the remorseful doofus ;D)

priemsy
27-04-2004, 03:36 AM
Well said Kev, Agree with you entirely.
El Carpo. Great idea , let's all go fishing!!!!
Paul

bidkev
27-04-2004, 05:58 AM
El carpo, it's inevitable that in times like Anzac Day, Rememberance Sunday etc that thoughts should turn to either the futility or justification for war.

We all have our own opinions and a need to express them, but on usenet, often this expression can lead to flame wars. If we express in a non -overbearing manner without "steamrollering" then it is good that we can do that.

Usenet gives us a chance to pause and reflect and consider our slip-ups, unlike real life where one may be angered and lash out. OTOH it also gives us the opportunity to mouth off without fear of consequence, and unfortunately there are many on other groups (I have yet to see one here) who will do *just* that.

It is a credit to your "goodness" that you paused to reflect and not choose the other option. Stop feeling bad about yourself, and do as Paul has suggested. Now bugger off fishing and we'll seeya later :-)

kev

nonibbles
27-04-2004, 07:33 AM
do come back and tell us about it though (the fishing)

el_carpo
27-04-2004, 08:46 AM
Sounds like a plan. It's a deal! :)

Is that Patrick F. Mcmanus I saw at the signature line there? A fellow fan!!! I love those stories!!! I am addicted to those books. What one is your favorite? I like them all. Never Sniff a Gift Fish, They Shoot Canoes Don't They?, Into the Twilight Endlessly Groussing. They are all great. For anyone here who has not read them, you HAVE to get to the library or book store ASAP! Trust me on this! You don't want to miss it! All outdoor themed humorous stories. Great stuff!!! :D