Anyone interested in the Fishing Party preferences

[bugman]

There's been a few people interested to know where the preferences of the the fishing Party will go to in the Senate.

Here you go - judge for yourself

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/gtv_qld_n_17.htm

QLD
Group N - The Fishing Party
Preferences
1 COLLINS Kevin The Fishing Party
2 WHITFORD Darryl Ross The Fishing Party
3 WHEELDON Lorraine New Country Party
4 WALTON Rowell New Country Party
5 HARRIS Len One Nation
6 NELSON Ian One Nation
7 SAVAGE James Walter One Nation
8 JOYCE Barnaby The Nationals
9 BAKER James The Nationals
10 GILLIES Stewart The Nationals
11 HANSON Pauline Group K (Pauline Hanson)
12 SMITH Judy Group K (Pauline Hanson)
13 JOHNSTON Hetty Group O (Hetty Johnston)
14 SCOTT Diana Group O (Hetty Johnston)
15 LEWIS John Family First
16 SKELLERN-SMITH Tracy Family First
17 MASON Brett Liberal Party
18 BRANDIS George Henry Liberal Party
19 TROOD Russell Liberal Party
20 BOYCE Sue Liberal Party
21 McLUCAS Jan Australian Labor Party
22 LUDWIG Joe Australian Labor Party
23 GILBERT Frank Australian Labor Party
24 WEBSTER Geoff Non-Custodial Parents Party
25 THOMPSON Doug Non-Custodial Parents Party
26 JOHNSTON Selwyn Group D Independents
27 HARVEY Susan Group D Independents
28 RUSHTON Terry Group A Independents
29 COLL Eamon Group A Independents
30 HETHERINGTON Maurice Citizens Electoral Council
31 GILLHAM Ray Citizens Electoral Council
32 DUNCAN Gail Group G Independents
33 McINTOSH Kim Group G Independents
34 McARTHUR Darryl Angus Ungrouped Candidates
35 GHULAM Hassan Ungrouped Candidates
36 RIVETT John The Great Australians
37 McKENZIE Mal The Great Australians
38 CLEVENS Nicole Socialist Alliance
39 WATSON Sam Socialist Alliance
40 CHAPMAN Archie liberals for forests
41 CLARK Joseph liberals for forests
42 KNEIPP Tony H.E.M.P.
43 FREEMARIJUANA Guy H.E.M.P.
44 MORRIS Darrell Australian Progressive Alliance
45 NEWMAN Tony Australian Progressive Alliance
46 BAUER Bonny Australian Democrats
47 CHERRY John Clifford Australian Democrats
48 MILLARD Theresa The Greens
49 MOLES Sarah The Greens
50 HUTTON Drew The Greens

Bugman

[bugman]

Now for those people out there that are unhappy with the preference choices of the Fishing Party but would still like to vote for the party here's a tool for you.

Some people are daunted by the prospect of voting 1 to 50 below the line and find it impossible to actually rank the candidates. Never fear a geek has worked out any easy way.

The ABC' election Weblog picked it up under the heading "Voting Below The Line"
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/weblog/

It gives an explanation of how it works but the tool can be found here:
http://www.it.usyd.edu.au/~jfletch1/resnik/senate.cgi

May be worth a look for those interested in making their vote count the way they really want.

Bugman

[lordy]

If you want to vote fishing party but not ON, go below the line: put Fishing Party 1st, then you next few favourites, then the big parties (libs, labs, nats, greens, demos), then whats left over (its is unlikely to get past the big parties). It really doesn't matter much what random order you dump the minor parties in, preference are quite unlikely to get past the first few big players.

[kc]

Well put guys....and that's about it!! Our preference deal is worked out to give us the best chance of picking up votes from those we think we will outpoll and ultimately see them go to the major who we have got the best "deal" from...in this case the Nationals and the promise of some significant changes.

If you don't agree with our preference flow then please number all boxes in your own order below the line...........please just give "us" 1 & 2.

We have a big chance on Saturday to tell Bob Brown & his mates to just pull their bloody heads in and just back off!!

Regards

Kc
The Fishing Party (Qld)

[SNELLY]

KC & Darryl,

All the best

It looks like you have plenty of support and you certainly have mine

GO HARD - GO THE FISHING PARTY

SNELLY

[kevy]

hi bugmam. do we just number 1 for the fishing party, & thats it, if so i,m in. all the rest of the bullshit i can do without. ???

[kevy]

sorry bugman, got carried away, forgot to put a name on the post, kevy, kevy. :)

[jaybee]

Good show bret but what are you doing on the day to help with votes, where it counts most face to face mmmmm
cheers
Joe

[baldyhead]

We should ALL show our commitment and be at every polling booth handing out The Fishing Party's How to Vote Cards. Even if only for an hour..
SHOW THE BASTARDS THAT WE (REC FISHERS) have had enough of their DRACONIAN REGULATIONS and will now BE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH!
cheers baldy

[bugman]

Kevy,

How you vote is up to you. You can either put a single "1" in the box above the line and leave it at that - or place 1 to 50 in the boxes bellow the line. The choice is yours and both are formal votes if you get it right.

Jaybee,

I will not and can not hand out how to vote cards for any political party - it comes with the turf.

Good luck for all those that are taking part.

By the way if anyone's interested - I'll be chosing my own preferences.

Regards

Bugman

[Dug]

Family First Policy Priorities:

1. The first policy priority is not to family but to "prayers in parliament."

2. The second policy position discriminates against single parent and de-facto families.

3. The third policy advocates physical punishment of children.

"This responsibility involves parents in the loving discipline of their children, including affirmation, praise and, when appropriate, physical punishment - so that they grow into responsible adults. Governments should only intervene as a last resort, when a child is at serious risk of abuse."

Other policy priorities seek to ignite intolerance and regressive attitudes towards women, abortion and homosexuals.

In particular, Family First seeks to:

Pull down "Satan's strongholds". That means bottle shops, mosques, gambling places, Freemason/Hindu/Buddhist temples, and brothels.

Family First: Volunteer says lesbians should be burned to death
Family First aide disciplined
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Sorry any party that gives preferences to One Nation or Family First has lost my vote. I fish but I also have a conscience. I cannot give support to intolerant racist or people who support the imprisonment and abuse of children.

When I suggest people be burned at the stake or shot on sight, I'm joking, these guys are serious. This is not the Australian way.

[kc]

Understand Dug but at half way down our list Family First are of no consequence in our preference flow. In essence we put parties high on our list if for 1 we have some empathy and secondly, more importantly, if we think we can outpoll them. This is the case with New Country and One Nation. Then come the National who have provided a series of undertakings, in writting which will better the cause of rec fishing. If we outpoll the Nationals we get their votes and get elected. If they outpoll us then the reverse applies...there is, to the absolute best of my knowledge, not any chance, what-so-ever, that our votes will go to Family first. As for being church goers..........don't we all go fishing on Sundays??

The option always exists for individuals to make their own choices. The 1 in the box is the easy way out. Personally, I have always voted below the line and will again on Saturday, but I am in the minority.

Regards

KC
The Fishing Party (Qld)

[budgie]

Sadly, the majority don't understand the preference system and don't care! When they see One Nation above a less controversial party :-/ they are turned off :o
Cheers Budgie

[lordy]

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Sorry any party that gives preferences to One Nation or Family First has lost my vote. I fish but I also have a conscience. I cannot give support to intolerant racist or people who support the imprisonment and abuse of children.




Whether or not you choose to vote above the line for another party or vote below the line for the Fishing Party won't make any difference to the outcome. The only way you lose if you vote above the line and don't like the preference arrangements. I'm not fond the the FP preferences so I'll be voting below the line.

[gif]

I don't like the FP preferences #either

But I do understand that certain parties like new country and one nation have less chance #- so by swapping preferences TFP gets their votes # #When they drop #out of the race in the first round #their preferences go up to TFP

That’s why I am putting a 1 #in TFP #. #to give them a best chance #That makes my vote more Powerful. #and I like that thought!

The Fishing Party are not mugs - they thought about preferences for a long time. But they realize that politics is a grubby game - and they have to be willing to get in there and make a difference, enven if it seems grubby.

Donlt think badly of them - just becuase of the preferences. If you have to wrestle with pigs you are bound to get muddy. But your integrity can still be in tact.

Its just a math exercise. # # So choose your own preferences after numbering Fishing Party 1 and 2 #below the line #- then the rest to 50 in your preferred way.


But if you really want TFP elected #- then 1 #above the line #is best because of the way the counting is done.

This counting may take up to a month #- that’s how fine and detailed it gets.

It is completely #wrong and unfair saying TFP supports the policies of #x y #z # # that is not true. # It s just an election numbers game. # Before you get critical please take the #time to understand this from the AEC #( below) and the polls for minor parties


Counting the votes: Senate
Half and full senate elections: There are 76 Senators - twelve for each State and two for each Territory. Normally only half the State Senators and the four Territory Senators are elected at each election, but when there is a double dissolution of Parliament as there was in 1987, all 76 places are up for election.
The quota: Senators are elected by a preferential voting system, known as proportional representation. Unlike House of Representatives elections in which candidates have to gain more than 50% of the votes to be elected, Senate candidates must gain a quota of the formal votes to be elected.
Working out the quota: The quota is worked out by dividing the total number of formal ballot papers by one more than the number of vacancies, and then adding one to the result (ignoring any remainder).
This example shows how the quota for NSW in the 1998 half-senate election was worked out. Six senators were to be elected from among 63 candidates.
Number of Senators to be elected: # # #6
Number of formal ballot papers: # # #3 755 725
The quota: # # #3 755 725+1
(6 + 1) # # #=536532
Senate ballot papers: These are white listing the candidates and their party affiliations in order of groups drawn followed by independents. The order of the candidates on the ballot paper is determined by a random draw conducted in the office of the Australian Electoral Officer for that State or Territory, following the public declaration of nominations. The ballot papers are divided into two sections to distinguish the two alternative methods of voting for Senators:
• # # #In the section above the line, voters only have to put the number ‘1’ in one box next to the party or group they want to support. Their preferences will be counted according to the way the party or group has registered them with the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) (as shown on the group voting tickets displayed at all polling places).
• # # #In the section below the line electors can vote by putting the number ‘1’ in the box of the candidate they want as their first choice, number ‘2’ in the box of the candidate they want as their second choice, and so on until all the boxes have been numbered.
Ticket Voting: Those parties and groups which register an official order of preferences with the AEC are given a box in the top section of the Senate ballot paper. By placing a number ‘1’ in one, and only one box, next to the name of a party or group in this section, the voter’s preferences are counted according to the way in which the party or group has officially registered their preferences with the AEC. A poster showing the order of preferences lodged with the AEC is displayed in all polling places.
Surplus votes: Candidates who receive a quota, or more, of first preference votes are immediately elected. The surplus votes of candidates who receive more than the quota are transferred to second choice candidates. Because it is not possible to determine which votes actually elected the candidate and which votes are surplus, all the elected candidates’ ballot papers are transferred at a reduced value.
Transfer value: The transfer value of the elected candidate’s ballot papers is worked out by dividing the number of surplus votes by the total number of the elected candidate’s ballot papers.
For example, candidate Robert Woods (LP) gained 1 518 178 votes. As the quota is 526 041, his surplus is 992 137.
• # # #To work out the transfer value, Woods’ surplus ballot papers (992 137) are divided by the total number of his ballot papers:
992 137
1 518 178 # # #= 0.65350505
This figure is taken to the eighth decimal point, without rounding. So the transfer value is 0.65350505.
• # # #The next step is to re-examine all Woods’ ballot papers (1 518 178).
Let’s say that of the 1 518 178 people who voted for Woods as first choice, 1 513 870 put David Brownhill (NP) as second choice.
Those 1 513 870 second choice ballot papers are then multiplied by the transfer value to work out how many votes they represent:
1 513 870 x 0.65350505 # # #= 989 321
These 989 321 transferred votes are then added to the number of first preference votes (1 826) Brownhill received.If Brownhill got 1 826 first preference votes, and the extra 989 321 votes transferred from Woods are added, he has a total of 991 147 votes - more than the quota required - and is therefore elected. Brownhill’s surplus votes are then transferred in the same manner.
As a result of this process of transferring surplus votes, other candidates may be elected. If however, all surplus votes from elected candidates are transferred and there are still some unfilled positions, further counting is undertaken.
Exclusion of unsuccessful candidates: Starting with the lowest scoring candidate, unelected candidates are excluded from the count and their ballot papers are distributed to the remaining candidates to whom the voters have given their preferences. When a candidate gains a quota following the distribution, he or she is elected. The above process continues until all Senate positions are filled.
In certain circumstances, 2 or more candidates may be excluded simultaneously. This is called a bulk exclusion.
This page last updated 15 April 2004 ## # # Top # # # #Print

[bugman]

Gents,

For those wanting to keep abreast of the live count on Saturday to find out how the Fishing Party is going - or any other for that matter - then here's the best site in Australia ;D

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/results/

Senate results are down the bottom and based on states etc.

AND if your out and about on Saturday night and are an election junkie who needs to know what's going on - then how about SMS messages to your phone: ;D

http://www.abc.net.au/phone/

Sorry I shouldn't blantently plug my own work and that of my colleagues but hey - who the hell else is going to do it. ;D ;D ;D

Bugman

[nictim]

Hi Bugman & Frank
Thanks for all that great info knowledge is what we need to make an informed choice so now there is no reason for anyone to hide under a rock this election to me is the most significant in the past 20 years, we are privileged in the country that we can vote and yes it can make a difference .

Cheers Steve

[nictim]

sorry I ment Bugman & Gary

[jaybee]

gee Brett you cant help with handing out how to vote, yet you can advertise your employer, bitter sweet eh, i would say it goes hand in hand, cant hand out how to vote, cant promote employer, do you agree.
cheers
Joe

[nictim]

It's OUR ABC they have tried to dismantle it