boat building apprenticeship

[Scott15]

Anyone after or looking for an apprentice boat builder? Im happy to fill in the position aslong as its in the brisbane surroundings. Am willing to leave school or get a school based apprenticeship . Will send my resume off of course. thanks guys, if ya need more info either PM me or post here. ive got a rough idea how a few things work as i did work expierence few months back for Noble Super Vee.

enthused scott

[Heath]

I know Cruise Craft take on Apprentices every year & they seem to have a good program.

They are at Hemmant, give them a yell ;)

[Scott15]

I know Cruise Craft take on Apprentices every year & they seem to have a good program.

They are at Hemmant, give them a yell ;)

thanks for the idea heath, sorry i forgot to mention i wanna do alluminium

[DNO40]

Perhaps you should check the spelling of what you wish to do ::)

A little punctuation would not go astray either when you are advertising to prospective employers.

[matthill80]

bloody hell mate doesnt need to know where his commas go to weld a boat. give the young fella a go at least he is looking for a job not like alot of the lazy young pr##ks out there.

[brad72]

scott have you tried contacting any of the boat builders around?
I'm not sure what it's like on the alluminium side of things but as for the fibreglass side I'm sure if you go around and show you are keen someone will give you a go. My advice would be to look into it very carefully before you make a final decision as the fibreglass industry is no glamore job even in the boat building side of things. don't get me wrong I'm not saying that to try and talk you out of it you should just go in with your eyes opened.
I think the most important part of finding a job in whatever industry you choose is to show an employer you are keen and willing to work if you can do that you are half way there.
hope this has helped you out & best of luck with whatever you do.

[Scott15]

cheers matt,

hey brad, yeah mate im not to into the fibre glass side of things. Currently i have work links searching for a place that would take me on. And posting here to up my chances. Agree totally with what you've, thanks for your concern brad.

Scott

[brad72]

I know there is a big demand at the moment for welders I'm not sure how this affects the alluminium boat building side of things but it has to be to your advantage i would think.

[DNO40]

Scott and Matt,

Don't take it to Heart, I help people (young people) get into work and trust me when I say that a little punctuation doesn't go astray.

There are so many people looking for work these days it pays to give yourself the best possible chance.

It is good to see you out chasing work, but for your own sake put a little more effort into it.

I can't recall the number of people overlooked due to the little things, simply because of the amount of choice available.

It's all about choice, it may sound harsh to you guys, but the choice is yours.......take it or leave it.

[rando]

I have to agree with CQHornet. Employers are looking for someone who shows they are willing to go the extra mile. If you are sloppy with your written word ,what does that say about your attention to detail? a prime prerequisite for anyone in boat building.
I'm not trying to be hard on you , just advising you. so you give yourself the best chance to succeed.
I owned a business for many years and employed scores of young people, Im speaking from experience.
Good Luck
Try pages 311-312 Yellow pages A-K. Boat builders & repairers there are a dozen alloy manufacturers listed there.
rando

[Scott15]

Yeah i get what you guys are saying and I appreciate your concern. thanks for the links rando. I didnt think this would kick off

[Brejen]

Good luck Scott, go for it mate. Hope all works out for you. Keeps us informed.

Brett

[blaze]

I remember all those years ago when all I wanted to do was be a mechanic and work on bulldozer and trucks. I used to go to a workshop ever friday night for 6 months and make the owner late for his friday night out with his wife, persistant bugger I was. Finished school on the thursday went to see my future boss and asked him what time I was to start on Monday. He said others were also looking to get a job with him, I told him I would be there ready to start at 8.00 monday to start. He never did tell me I had a job, never once asked for my school reports or references, Stayed with him for 2.5 years , he then sold up and moved to brissy and give me 2 options, go with him or in my case option 2, he found me a place to continue my apprentiship locally and thats what I did.
The whole time I was there he always commented on my persistance and said I was the keenest person he ever employed.
So my advice Scott
Knock on the doors, offer to sweep the floors, follow up with Noble Super V, knock on more doors & be prepared to take on any boilermake type work and do extra study and specialize in ali welding, may take longer to get into boat building but you will be more employable with better skills
best of luck
cheers
blaze

[Scott15]

great advice blaze! Work Links are looking into getting one with Noble, fingers crossed ay. Thanks brett, will do

[Stumpthumpa]

Some great advice here Scott and to your credit you are listening.

Please do us a favour and let us know of your progress? #It is nice to hear of someone with drive and even better when it is rewarded.

[Heath]

I've had a reread of the posts & have a bit of a rethink.

Is bulding boats really what you want to do? Bear with me on this........

Working on the production line welding for 8- 10 hours a day, is that what you want to do? Knocking them off the line as quick as you can?

Boat building to me, is building something that can be compared to a work of art :P, you know, something that the toffs sit on drinking wine. :)

My advise would be decide exactly where you want to go & do. Your only young, but decisions you make now will dictate what sort of path your future career takes.
Just about anyone can weld a bit of ally together but, to design, impliment and refine into a working product takes brains....... Know what I mean?

[Scott15]

Yeah i know where ya commin from heath, trust me ive thought about it really hard! And the designing of boats, i dont have the brains. I enjoy seeing something go from nothing to the finished product and if ive built it or help build it or even making a few bits and peices and it all go's together id get a fair bit of enjoyment out of seeing that.

Thanks for your input heath and others but i think its what i wanna do. Always been interested in boat building and maybe one day i might build my own boat :) thanks guys for your concern, much appreciated!]

Scott

[szopen]

I did not know if I should express an opinion.

Now I do.

Heath has a very valid point.

Scott,
Stay in school, leaving it now might seem like a great idea and "gaining freedom" but it might cost you big time in the future.

No rush.

[PinHead]

Yeah i know where ya commin from heath, trust me ive thought about it really hard! And the designing of boats, i dont have the brains. I enjoy seeing something go from nothing to the finished product and if ive built it or help build it or even making a few bits and peices and it all go's together id get a fair bit of enjoyment out of seeing that.

Thanks for your input heath and others but i think its what i wanna do. Always been interested in boat building and maybe one day i might build my own boat :) thanks guys for your concern, much appreciated!]

Scott

Don't sell yourself short..if you want to design boats then with some extra training, reading etc you can do anything you want. Quite a few years back I saw a niche in the market for someone to do some AutoCad work for contractors in my field..so I got hold of the programme..taught myself how to use it..I did not do a TAFE course for it..I could now sit at home full time and make at least $60 per hour doing drafting...but I get bored with it so I only do a few bit and pieces of it now.

Exactly what apprenticeship is it that you are after? I would have to agree with Heath..welding aluminium till you are 65 does not sound real exciting.

[blaze]

not every body is designed to continue with schooling, I could not have stayed a moment longer than I did. Sometimes it is better to achieve goals one step at a time. How many times have you seen engineering plans go astray because it all seem right on paper but inrealality it won't work because these people have no life experience. It doesnt hurt to do a trade.
Some people are so educated and still unemployed (possibly unemployable)
cheers
blaze

[Sportfish_5]

Scott - at least get that Yr 10 certificate. I left school at Yr 10 - I had had enough of that school crap. Spent a year workin with my dad at his mechanical workshop and went back to night school to get better science marks so I could get into a Pre-Voc Tafe course. Loved that and decided hell or high water I wanted to be a Diesel Fitter and by the end of it I got an apprenticeship. After 12 years I got a couple of breaks and took some left field opportunities to better myself (ie less money) by getting off the tools and into sales and management. Now unbelievably to me I am studying to complete a Masters of Management so you just dont know where you will end up.

It's a tuff call at your age to decide right now what you want to do for the rest of your life but in reality that is not the decision you have to make. More than likely in 10 years you will be working in a totally different field from what you think you want to do right now. You dont know where life's opportunities will take you.

You've got the right attitude mate and if you always stay positive you will make things happen.

Same goes for you too young Phill T.


Good luck

Greg

[szopen]

Blaze,

If I'm correct Scott is 15-16 years old.
I would say finish the school, don't leave it, decide later.
(Although I do not know at what age you finish school in Oz).

What I know is that in most places in the world in this days to have a chance at a better life you must finish high school. No need to close this door if you not pressed for it by economic need.

It doesn't hurt to do a trade, just the opposite very often makes a happier life.

And to put things in a better perspective yes I am an engineer. I also have a few other engineers working for me. Some of the better guys have almost no formal education but with years of experience do much better than some others who went to university.

Did I see engineering plans go astray?
Part of life isn't it?
:)

[blaze]

hi szopen
I just get a bit cranky when goverments etc push for higher education and not all people are ready for it at the time, many people fair far better to gain life experiences first and then do more study. I have said to all my kids to do what makes you happy (lifes to short) eldest son still studying and working part time (computer wiz) 2nd son, spend a couple of years on the dole after year 12 (again computer wiz), then realised what money was for and is now a baker. Daughter is just finishing year 12, defering for 12 months and going to uni on the GC.
IMO people/kids need to go with the flow and follow their dreams, if that means living as a hippy in a commune I think as parents it is our role to support them.
SH*T to much time on my hands and the weather to crappy to fish (150km/h winds today)
cheers
blaze

[Scott15]

PinHead,
Its not that i dont have the brains, I dont enjoy sitting on computers i'd rather be out doing stuff. Boat building can take ya anywhere, For example, my cousin went through his apprenticeship and got moved all over the place, started off at AMM then to REBEL and then onto Noble. He has just left noble to go build big boats over the south side and is now off to russia to fit out cruisers for a few months and gets extremely good pay. And he's only 21 and has been out of his apprenticeship for only 2 years.

Blaze, I can relate to all of what you said.

Greg,
Deffinately going to finish this year and get my certicicate, Many places wont take u on without it. But yes its a very tough call and im not sure if i will regret it or not if i do decide to leave and if thats the case and im not enjoying what i do ill be back to school or get another trade.

szopen,
I wont be leaving if i dont get some sort of trade. Its not something ive decided over night, ive been thinking about this for a long time.

thanks for all yas advice, its not going astray

[philip_thomson]

Good luck scott hope it all works out for you. just remember who gave you that incouragement when you run your own boat building company. ill put my order in now for a big boat (at mates rates of course ;D).

All the best mate [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Cheers Phil

p.s. thanks greg

[szopen]

Blaze,

I do agree with the idea that parents should support choices their kids make.

Mine did when I moved to China when I was 19.
It all worked out quite well so far.

Scott,
That is true that there is a lot of high paying jobs in boat/ship building industry.
Sometimes at home sometimes in some strange corners of the world.

If you looking for a trade that pays well and is in the simmilar field try maybe TIG welding, it does require patience, experience and also a natural talent in the hand (last is probably most important). If you can do it well you will not complain about lack of opportunities.

[Scott15]

Good luck scott hope it all works out for you. just remember who gave you that incouragement when you run your own boat building company. ill put my order in now for a big boat (at mates rates of course ;D).

All the best mate [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



cheers phill, yeah mate lol. gotta get it first

[logan_whiting]

perry cat are looking for people atm !!! they are just behind dreamworld

[Scott15]

thanks mate, you got there website if they have one? are they trailer boats?

[ahjayem]

Good Evening All

Congratulations Scott for your positive attitude, taking initiative, being proactive and being persistent. I believe that you are mature enough to sort out the appropriate advice that has been given here and follow it. Continue to pound the pavement, follow up all the leads until you get what you want.

If I may give you some advice, learn while you can and continue to learn as some of the members have mentioned, while you can and as you need to. If you can’t continue learning at school, then an apprenticeship will further your learning. I would however cast my net a little wider, and gain as much general experience by way of an apprenticeship in metal fabrication, rather than specialising in aluminium boat building from the beginning. Whilst aluminium boats are very popular, it is also important to consider other metals/materials which are welded and also used in the boating industry, - stainless steel, plastic and the many ferrous metals. (I recently saw a really serviceable and stylish plastic boat!) Gain experience with all facets of weldable material, and then specialise in the one with which you will most like to work with for the rest of your life if that is to be the case.

I take some exception to the comments of "CQHornet" and "rando", as whilst you are endeavouring to be helpful, and your individual messages are, you’ve also chosen to be critical of Scott’s punctuation and writing effort, referring to the “little things”, “eye for detail” and “going the extra mile” but at the same time have committed some “bloopers” yourselves. For example:-


... many people that are looking ...

At about nine years of age children in primary school are/were/should have been taught about “relative pronouns” – who, whose, whom, which and that. Who, whose, whom are to be used when referring to people, which and that are to be used if referring to things and objects.


... attention to detail? a prime ...

When punctuating, a question mark (?) denotes the end of a sentence which asks a question. Similarly a full stop (.) ends a sentence. Both the question mark and the full stop should be followed by a capital (the big form, or upper case style of the letter).

Are these cases of “people who live in glass houses” or “the pot calling the kettle black”

Continue to focus on your future Scott, and you’ll succeed!

Tight lines
RJM

[Scott15]

Mate what a post!! Some helpfull info there, thanks a lot! I didnt really think this post would get very far. Just shows how helpfull a lot of ppl are, thanks guys

Scott

[2iar]

Are these cases of “people who live in glass houses” or “the pot calling the kettle black”


Shouldn't there be a question mark at the end of that?

Only messing. :D :D

Scott, your enthusiasm should be an inspiration to all of us. I wish you every success on your journey.

Mike

[ahjayem]

Hi 2iar

One has to be more careful, hasn't one?

These are things up with which we will not put!

Tight lines
RJM

[basserman]

I agree with blaze on this one.
Go for it mate!
I left school in year 11, worked at a factory for 3 mounth before joining the army for the next 4. After that did a course where i recived all my heavy plant tickets. Next i worked in a soil yard doing soils for the cricket grounds and also the Sydney Olmpics untill i was pulled through a conveyor belt and did my right arm in pretty bad. Spent the next year or so getting over that and then worked at the inlaws pub as cellerman. They sold up so i decided to start my own buisness and that was untill i sold it a couple of mounths back. Now looking for work again still unqulified at anything but now bits about everything.

Now while my spelling or gramer may not be up with the best i do pride myself on a VERY high attntion to details. What a'm saying here is that to some people school may be the only thing that counts but to fellas like myself and Blaze we have a welth on knolwage from life lessions. It is people like us that can see problems before they happen because alot of time it is the K.I.S.S. princeaple where the most simple thing are the best ways

P.S. currently looking for wark so if anyone knows of something please pm me. I will do any type of work no matter how mundain or dirty

[Fisher_Boats]

Scott,
Being in the industry your looking at I will give you my thoughts.
If you can work with your hands and want to do a trade in alloy boatbuilding…..Go for it.
There is a lack of skilled tradespersons in most industries at present so the future for trades people is looking good.
There is no such trade as alloy boatbuilding. You do an apprenticeship in sheet metal fabrication. It is all block training (most, if not all of the training can be done in house, so if you are good and work hard at it you can finish your apprenticeship in less then four years.)
When finished or whilst you are doing your apprenticeship there is nothing to stop you (except work and fishing of course) pursuing further studies. Ie. Naval architecture, senior education ect.
I can guarantee that anyone who does a trade and then goes on to become a naval architect will do very well using their practical experience gained during the apprenticeship. At least there may be a chance of building what you draw. ;)
I doubt whether there are many trades people working on a production line welding all day so I wouldn’t be concerned about that too much. Welding alloy to a high quality finish with pulse welders and without distortion is an art in itself.
Believe me building custom alloy plate boats and sending them all over the country is definitely not boring!
If you would like to come and have a “tour” of our factory for a look at what you are looking at getting into or any help I can offer let me know.

All the best
Col

[blaze]

scott15
take col-s up on the offer, ya never know what lays behind doors until you open them
cheers
blaze

[_Matt_]

Hi Scott,

1st things 1st. Are you sure you are still at school and haven't quit already? I only ask this because you have made posts during school hours on Tues & Wed earlier this week.

Anyway, I thought i'd write and give you my 2 bob. I'm 22 years old, and to tell you the truth I still haven't really a clue on what I want to do in life.

I've worked in about five different jobs since completing my year 12 certificate, the first of those being in the RAAF. Im about to start a new job with a large metal refining company and I still don't know if this will be "the one" for me. I think it is fantastic for your own sake that you know what you want to do, and further more have a real passion for this particular trade. Personally I wish now that i had undertaken a trade to have something to fall back on if all else had failed.

A trade, no matter what profession, is good to have, and having a particular interest in it is an added bonus. I know what you mean when you say you would like to see and take part in the building of a boat and be able to appreciate what you achieved from start to finish. By the sounds of things you want to be more of a "craftsman" more so than just a tradey.

My advise to you is to keep pumping those resume's out to manufacturers, and eventually you will snag one, trust me. Whether or not you complete your yr12 cert should be irrelevant if this is what you want to do for life. To employers, a trade certificate & references are more important than a yr12 cert. And look at it this way, if you don't complete your yr12 cert and need or want to down the track, than you can enrol at TAFE where you can complete it there. Yes its an advantage, but not a necessity.

Go with your passion Scott. It would be great to get down to the boat ramp one day and be able to say to your mate, "see that boat over there, I built that" When I saw your post I just had to write this reply cause I remember how hard the decision was when I was back at school. As for those guys who are on your back about punctuation and grammar and stuff, well I'll tell you right now you got nothing to worry about mate, you seem pretty switched on to me. And the fact that you are a gold member says alot about your enthusiasm for fishing and boating etc.

Good luck mate #[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Cheers
_Matt_