Gotta watch those big ships

[sunny]

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20834508-3102,00.html

TWO fishermen were thrown from their trawler after it was involved in a collision with a bulk cargo carrier near Moreton Island.

The bulk carrier, Port Ellis, and the trawler were about three kilometres off Moreton Island, near Brisbane, when they collided about 6.45am today.
Police said Port Ellis was en route to the Port of Brisbane.

The two men thrown overboard escaped injury.

[revs57]

Charter boat???? What Charter boat!!!!!

[jim_farrell]

;D ;D ;D Priceless revs.

Apparently the deckie was already in the water freeing a net when the ship hit them. I bet he laid a berley trail.

Jim

[imnotoriginal]

Report on the radio said they were breath-testing the trawler driver... :-? Could be interesting.
Joel

[dogsbody]

Cmon lads you should no better you can't trust the media they put in whatever they like for a bit of sensationalism. Lets wait and see what the real facts are. Just a little something i learn't from watching Media watch on the ABC.


Dave.

[toymod]

They always breath test after an accident ;)

[imnotoriginal]

They've also just reported that the log books for the trawler were well behind, with only maintenance written for the past month, despite the fact they were using the nets. I'm well aware of how the media can manipulate things Dave, I've spent the last four years studying journalism ;D I came out of it disliking the profession more than I did before :o. The point I was trying to make was that the result of the test was likely to determine whether he had a leg to stand on or not. If he should be over the limit... well there'd be little chance for him, even if the cargo ship was partly at fault.
Joel

[dogsbody]

No probs Joel :), Does a ship have right of way regardless if he was in the shipping lane?

Dave.

[Dory4.1]

Bet the poor buggers on the trawler have nightmares tonight

Rgs
Michael

[4x4frog]

No speaka Engrish???
WTF...did anyone else think it was funny how the captain of the vessel that Ch7 called claimed he couldn't understand 'collision' or 'trawler'??? Fair go mate, he then proceeded to rattle off a sentcne in perfect but accented english even including the dictionary

Have to admit though that it's a sticky one with mention of no log book entries and the trawler supposedly being in maintainence currently?? Heads may roll

[redspeckle]

On Seven news they talk to the Ship Captain of Port Ellis and didn't quite understand the spoken English during the radio messages from the 7 chopper I thought they have a a local shipping pilot on aboard to guide the ship in [smiley=question.gif]
Mitch

[Fishin_Dan]

The point I was trying to make was that the result of the test was likely to determine whether he had a leg to stand on or not.

If he drank too much, he could be legless ;D ;D ;D

[griz066]

I bet they needed a change of jocks ;D ;D

[choppa]

have to admit,,, i did have a giggle or two when i heard it on the radio,,,

thought to myself straight away,,,,,,(as per Rys),,, what charter boat?????????????

first reports though was a SMALL fishing vessel hitting a container ship,,,,,,,'spose at the end of the day,,, doesn't matter what size boat ya got,,,, its small compared to a container ship

[Reef_fisher]

Does that count for the thread of worst days fishing, or the most painfull days fishing. ;D ;D

Still, I think I would have needed stitches after laying a rail when I looked up and saw that big arse ship bearing down on me. :o :o

[Mr__Bean]

Yet another collision between a fishing boat and a ship.

For those looking for some light reading, see here for previous incidents:

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2001/MAIR/mair163.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2002/MAIR/mair185.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2002/MAIR/mair177.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2000/MAIR/mair159.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2004/MAIR/mair199.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2003/MAIR/mair196.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2003/MAIR/mair195.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2004/MAIR/mair203.aspx

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/MAIR/mair211.aspx

- Darren

[seatime]

On Seven news they talk to the Ship Captain of Port Ellis #and didn't quite understand the spoken English during the radio messages from the 7 chopper I thought they have a a local shipping pilot on aboard to guide the ship in [smiley=question.gif]
Mitch

Mitch

Pilots are only required to enter port limits, in this case they'd pick up a pilot at Pt Cartwright to go into Brisbane.

exceptions are Torres Strait and GBR, where pilotage for transit is compulsory.

Ship/trawler collisions happen far too often, there's been lots over the last 10yrs. Good chance both vessels will be apportioned blame, I'd guess failure to keep an adequate lookout will be top of the list.

regards
Steve.

[sunny]

My dad had a great saying "Just because you have the legal right of way, doesn't mean you have the physical right of way"

It doesn't really matter who was right or wrong, to my simple way of looking at the world, if you stray into the path of a bulk carrier, you have to realise that these things don't turn or stop in any quick way. My guess is the only reaction they might have got from the carrier crew was a good slanging.

I don't know who was right or wrong, but I think it's a good reminder to all of us who hang out around the shipping channels, especially to go beacon bashing.

[Fishin_Dan]

Carleton.... Don't pick on the wake of the big ships either ;)

We all know where that leads!!!




(Gates Of Hell)

[webby]

We had a trip this year (mid) one evening over near the Measured Mile, and had anchored up in 20m, there were four boats.
A storm had just passed over us and out of the rain mist can this gye huge container ship, it was heading strait at us, we flashed everything we could light up at it, and it was only in the last 100m that it verred away missing Rakinrays boat and the one i was in by 20m, you could count the rivets on it hull.
If it had kept on its original course it was heading it would have run aground at redcliffe.
Wether they saw us or not, as it was blowing 20knts and pretty rought seas from the storm god knows, so where was the pilot making them aim for the Measured miles two beacons instead of redclifffe.
regards

[seatime]

The front and rear reciprocals of the measured mile are also the leads for the Entrance Channel, with reduced visibility they may have wanted to line up the channel from further out near the leads.
If the ship had come out of the East Channel (deeper) they would need to head NW before lining up the leads into the river.
They may also have needed to get onto the right side of the channel for any ships that may be departing the Entrance Channel, who'd also be on the leads.
just a possible scenario.

There is plenty of water near the reciprocals and ships can sometimes stooge around if they are too early, or waiting for a another vessel to depart the entrance channel (too big to pass in the channel).

[bluefin59]

I worked in a iron ore mine in W.A for 6yrs and the trucks their were 120& 200 tonners we always gave way to the bigger vehicles only makes sense to me i use the same rule on the water surely their is plenty of bay for the rapers of the ocean without having to fish in front of such a large vessel >:( >:( >:( >:(

[bigbrian47]

the charter boat "australiana" out of gladstone had a collision with a trawler off gladstone
a few weeks ago and suffered considerable damage
it was approx 2am so she was probably returning from a charter
read the report in the local gladstone paper no report of injuries so that's good at least :)
there's a lot of traffic out there
cheers brian

[sunny]

Carleton.... Don't pick on the wake of the big ships either ;)

We all know where that leads!!!
(Gates Of Hell)

The gates of hell are openening!!!! Aaaargh!!! The gates of hell!!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[elbowslapper]

NO IT WAS THE TRUCK'S FAULY # # # ( ELBOWSLAPPER)

[Dr_Dan]

When i used to sail, was always told that you should never think of it as having a right of way. Should think of who is SUPPOSED to give way. always be prepared for some idiot who doesn't know what they are doing, even if you do have "right of way".

[triman]

No probs Joel :), Does a ship have right of way regardless if he was in the shipping lane?

Dave.

In open waters, and as a non-Queenslander I don't know a thing about where the incident occured, no ship has an absolute right-of-way. All vessels are required to comply with the International Regulatons for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea.
It is then up to the investigating authorities to decide who was in the right and who wasn't at the time of the incident.
Even if the Rules are on your side you will almost never be entirely exonerated in the event of a collision because the Rules require you to try a "hail Mary" maneouvre if a collision cannot be avoided by the action of the burdened vessel alone.
Within port waters the International regs will be modified, generally to give an absolute right-of-way to vessels under pilotage.