CRC , WD40

[MICHAELG]

I have read bits of info mixed in other posts.

what sprays should I ONLY use on my outboard moter?

sorry if this is a repeat, if you konw the link to previous posts let me know

thanks

Michael

[scubapro]

I have been using INOX/LANOX on my motor so far & it has been great. It does not damage rubber, plastic etc.

I also use it on my fishing reels & they look like new.

Cheers

Scubapro

[dazza]

hi gibbo,
i use inox and lanoguard.
i spray the lanox on the inside of my outboard and the lanoguard on the outside where i want corrosion protection ie, trim and tilt and nuts and bolts etc as it leaves a coating. havent had problems yet.
my father in law used to spray his old evinrude with inox. the motor was 20 plus years old ( he bought it new) and still looked new, never had problems with the wiring etc.
cheers
dazza

[Kerry]

Anybody ever looked at the flash points for some of this stuff put under the cowl?

Cheers, Kerry.

[dazza]

no kerry,
but i am sure you are busting to enlighten us

[Kerry]

no kerry,
but i am sure you are busting to enlighten us

No dazza, I'm interested in hearing what you think, have you considered this, have you thought about this so how about you enlighten US, that is if you actually have anything responsible/usefull to say.

Cheers, Kerry.

[JB]

no kerry,
but i am sure you are busting to enlighten us


LMAO ;D

[dazza]

Hi Kerry,
wish the fish bit as well as you do ;D ;D

Can't find a MSDS for inox, but did find this.

Contains no Silicon, Acid or Acid forming ingredients, Kerosene or Petroleum distillate.
Does not dry out, become sticky, gooey, gum up or wash off with water.
Harmless to metal points and surfaces. plastics, paints, enamels, fiberglass, Formica, neoprene and rubber.
Safe to use on or into any instrumentation switching, relays, solenoids, generators, alternators, regulators, motors, wiring circuits, power tools and light fittings. Lubrication and moisture displacement, protection from moisture, corrosion, salt and chemicals penetration.


Non-conductive, non-staining, non-corrosive, non-toxic and non-static.

The info is lifted from the specification sheet for the product.

I did find a combustion point and flash point for a product called inox-protect it boils at 97 deg c. flash and combustion were both not applicable on the spec sheet.
hope this helps
cheers
dazza

[Fisher_Boats]

Geez Dazza didn't know you could get so scientific ;D ;D

[Glind]

Okay, so to get back to Gibbos question, what should we be using on our engines? Is the flash point a concern? What would Kerry suggest if this flash point is not suitable? I want to know too,
Tim

[MICHAELG]

OK So I guess INOX is the go?

now for some real fun questions

HOW can I remove the WD40 residue, so I can spray on INOX

or Should I just spray over and she'll be right

Michael

[dazza]

hey col,
just to prove how smart(arse :-X :-X) i really am

the flashpoint for lanoguard is 63 deg c using the Pensky Martin closed cup module ( machine used to see what temperature things will ignite at). [smiley=scholar.gif] [smiley=scholar.gif]

hence the reason for using it on the outside of the cowl ;D ;D

i still cannot find a flashpoint for inox, so i did my own test.
tried to ignite a capfull (approx 5 ml) of inox.
first attempt i spilled the inox on my lighter- now the bloody lighter wont work [smiley=jester.gif] [smiley=jester.gif], back to the kitchen for some matches- tried but cannot get it to burn, can heat it to boiling and try and ignite it.
this has led me to 2 conclusions
1. don't put it on your cigarette lighter
2. bloody hard if not impossible to get the stuff to burn

cheers
dazza

disclamer: the research regarding the flashpoint of inox may be unreliable, further testing may be necessary

[finga64]

that's a worry dazza ;D
What would have happened if it went up [smiley=angel.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
Good experiment though..I'd better do a parallel experiment to comform the results [smiley=angryfire.gif]
Michael, did you try using a good degreaser to get the gunk off? Might be an idea to start with a clean motor and then spray Inox.
Inox is food safe as well. Might be the reason fish can't 'smell' it.
:)

[nofrills]

dear dazza

i have receintly purchased a new toaster,its a TEFAL AVANTI DELUX it has a full stainless chassis,4 slice,dual control ;).

now my question if i may.
i intend to spray my new toaster with lanoguard to prevent corrosion caused buy the high salt content of my diet and my reluctance to clean the kitchen bench.so now i know the flash point of the lanoguard is 63 deg c what is the operating temperature of my toaster.?
thanx in advance
scott

[dazza]

well it really depends on what setting you have the toaster on.
if you have it on dark it will be hotter, if you have it on light it will be cooler. ::) ::) bloody hell, i thought everyone knew that. i think to be on the safe side i would spray it with inox ;D ;D

[dazza]

gibbo,
why not leave the wd40 on there, it should wear off in time, just start using the inox if thats what you have decided. i guess your outboard has a fairly good coverage of wd40 which will still give it protection

[Fisher_Boats]

hey dazza i see you have now spread your scientific knowledge 600 times on ausfish... Wow!
proffessor mad hoorang ;D ;D ;D

ps sorry gibbo

[Kerry]

....HOW can I remove the WD40 residue, so I can spray on INOX....

You might find that INOX could do that for you ??? so in true disclaimer fashion "trial a small non critical area first and only proceed if YOU are satisfied with the outcome".

There's nothing I'm aware in a commercial preparation that will lift it let alone I would want apply to an outboard. However most of this stuff will come off if soaked and bound with bags, rags etc. Can take a few days (plus) ..... and right now the memory bank isn't producing what it can be soaked in :-X

Policy being, when not sure (in other words can't remember :o right at this moment) best not to say anything ;D.

Cheers, Kerry.

[QldKev]

A bit of reading
---------------------------

THE ONLY LUBRICANT IN THE WORLD WITH THE SPECIAL
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THE TWENTY - FIRST CENTURY.


MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
Date of Issue:April 2005

HAZARDOUS STATEMENT: Not classified as hazardous according to
criteria of Worksafe Australia.

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65 Chetwynd Street,
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ABN 15 010 601 895

Telephone: (07) 3209 8733
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IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: INOX

Product Code: 00003 - 100g ) AEROSOL
00001 - 300g ) PACK

00008 - 125 ml ) NON
00004 - 5 LITRE ) AEROSOL
00005 - 20 LITRE ) PACK
205 LITRE )

NON AEROSOLPACK AEROSOL PACK
UN Number: None established UN 1950
DG Class: None established 2.1
Hazchem: None established 3

Poisons Schedule: None established

USE: ANTI-CORROSION/ANTI-MOISTURE LUBRICANT - PENETRATING OIL.

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION / PROPERTIES
Appearance: Clear light tan liquid
Pour Point: - 18 ° C

Flash Point:
AEROSOL PACK: HIGHLY FLAMMABLE - CONTENTS UNDER PRESSURE
182° C when propellant gas has dissipated.

NON AEROSOL PACK: 182° C

Specific Gravity: .84
Flammability Limits: LEL - < 4%
UEL - N K
Dielectric: > 40
Vapour Pressure: < 6 kPa
Solubility in Water: Negligible

INGREDIENTS
CHEMICAL NAME CAS NUMBER PROPORTION

AEROSOL PACK
Butane 106-97-8 > 20%
Propane 74-98-6 < 10%
'Ingredients determined > 60%
not to be hazardous'

NON AEROSOL PACK
'Ingredients determined 100%
not to be hazardous'

APPROVALS
FOOD GRADE: AUSTRALIA - Type A Lubricant - IOA is freely available on request.
NEW ZEALAND - MAF Approved C12 ( Meat, Fish & Game )
(Copies and downloads of all FOOD GRADE Approvals are
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N.A.T.O. Defence Manufacturers Code Z5594/5

HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION

HEALTH EFFECTS
Halogens: None
Carcinogens: None

ACUTE
swallowed: May cause stomach upset.
Eyes: Mild irritant.
Skin: Non irritant.
Inhaled: Inhalation of mists or aerosols may product respiratory irritation and coughing. Deliberate concentration and Inhalation of aerosol can lead to
respiratory collapse.
CHRONIC: Repeated or prolonged exposure may cause dermatitis.

FIRST AID
Swallowed: Do not induce vomiting, give 1 to 2 glass of water to drink.
Seek medical asssitance.
Eyes: Irrigate thoroughly with water, if irritation occurs seek medical advice.
Skin: Wash area with soap and water. Remove contaminated clothing and
launder before re-use.
Isolation: Remove from further exposure. If irritation, dizziness, nausea or unconsciousness occurs, get medical assistance. Use mouth to mouth resuscitation if breathing has stopped.

ADVICE TO DOCTOR:
Treat accordingly as for conditions that might arise with mineral oil based products.

PRECAUTIONS FOR USE

EXPOSURE STANDARDS
Eyes: Very mild irritant - normal industrial eye protection practices
should be employed.
Skin: Non-irritant - follow standard worksafe practices
Respiratory: no special requirements under ordinary conditions of use with
adequate ventilation.
Ventilation: Use in well ventilated areas.

Flammability: AEROSOLS - Highly flammable. Contents under pressure. Do not use the presence of open flames or electrical spark. Do not place in hot water or near radiators, stoves or other sources of heat.

NON- AEROSOL - Combustible liquid. Not considered to be
a significant fire risk.

SAFE HANDLING INFORMATION

STORAGE & TRANSPORT
AEROSOL PACK : Defined as as dangerous goods under the Australian Code for the Transport of Dangerous Goods for Road and Rail.
UN 1950 Class 2.1 Hazchem Code 3
Do not store at temperatires over 50° C. Do not puncture or incinerate cans even when empty. Do not store in direct sunlight for prolonged periods. Store undercover and
out of the weather.

NON AEROSOL PACK : Not defined as dangerous goods under the Australian Code for the Transport Of Dangerous Goods for Road and Rail.
Store away from sources of heat or ignition. Keep containers closed at all times. Store undercover and out of the weather.

SPILLS
Absorb with fire retardant treated sawdust, diatomaceous earth, etc. Use appropriate waste disposal facilities in accordance with current applicable laws or regulations. Do not allow spills to enter drains or waterways.

EXTINGUISHING MEDIA
Foam, carbon dioxide or dry chemical powder.

FIRE/EXPLOSION HAZARD
Special Fire Fighting Procedures: AEROSOL PACK - Highly Flammable. Contents under pressure. May be explosive.

NON-AEROSOL PACK - None

Special Protective Equipment: Use self contained breathing apparatus for fire
in enclosed areas.
Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards: None.

NFPA HAZARD ID
AEROSOL PACK: Health - 0
Flammability - 2
Reactivity - 0

NON AEROSOL PACK: Health - 0
Flammability - 1
Reactivity - 0

REACTIVITY DATA
Stability: (Thermal, Light, etc.) Stable.
Conditions to Avoid: Extreme heat.
Incompatibility: Strong oxidizers.
Hazard Decomposition
Products: Carbon Monoxide.
Hazardous
Polymerisation: Will not occur.

CONTACT PERSON
John Chardon - STO (07) 3209 8733 (BH) (07) 5574 8205 (AH)

[skippa]

Geez Kev,

You've done well, thanks for the info....... it would of taken me three days to write that. ;D ;D ;D


Cheers,
Tony # 8)

[mako_5.2]

It will take me 3 days to read it., by the way diesel flash minimum spec is 65deg c using your trusty pensky martin flash.

[QldKev]

I have to admitt I didn't type it up, it was a copy and paste ;D ;D ;D ;D

[whichway]

Back on topic, I am cautious about CRC, WD40 because it will dissolve the grease from where it needs to be (at least I think it does).

If you soak you motor in CRC on a regular basis (and plenty of people do), have a check of how much grease is left on the motor at the wearing points on linkages etc.

I got some stuff called TAC which seems to stay around longer than CRC.

Regards

Whichway

[Kerry]

Lots of things dissolve grease and sometimes that's a good thing. Some linkages on outboards should never be greased (as such) as grease (even DWF type liquids) impair the proper operation and can cause flat spots especially on throttle roller mechanisms/linkages etc. Spraying under an outboard has to be selective not total.


But at least WD40 was good for one thing :D as an alternative to Aerostart :o just don't start an outboard with it.

Cheers, Kerry.

[Bosunsmate]

Try a product called "Ironclad"....military uses it to protect weapons parts in long term storage....Its like a grey/white wax but its available in spray on as well as dip and drip....

http://www.plasticservices.com/MoldingAcces/liquids.htm#Iron-Clad

Iron-Clad Metal Protective Agent
Tough, long-lasting metal protector. Metal protective agent dries to a thin, waxy, transparent film for long-term indoor or outdoor protection. Acts as an impenetrable film barrier agains heat, snow, rain, salt water and other industrial corrosive elements. Transparent formula allows colors and markings to remain visible on protected metal.
No CFC's or ODS's
Inhibits rust.
Resists corrosion.
Protects for years.
Transparent film.
Weldable.
Packaging: Sold in 16 oz. net weight cans; 12 cans/case (not available in bulk).

Hope this helps

Regards
Graeme

[Wyoming]

Blokes, I thought this may be of interest from our Equipment Superintendent up in Darwin.
Subject: Origin of WD 40

The product began from a search for a rust preventative solvent and degreaser to protect missile parts. WD-40 was created in 1953 by three technicians at the San Diego Rocket Chemical Company. Its name comes from the project that was to find a "water displacement" compound.

They were successful with the fortieth formulation, thus WD-40.

The Corvair Company bought it in bulk to protect their Atlas missile parts. The workers were so pleased with the product, they began smuggling (also known as "shrinkage" or "stealing") it out to use at home. The executives decided there might be a consumer market for it and put it in aerosol cans. The rest, as they say, is history.

It is a carefully guarded recipe known only to four people. Only one of them is the "brew master." There are about 2.5 million gallons of the stuff manufactured each year. It gets its distinctive smell from a fragrance that is added to the brew. Ken East (one of the original founders) says there is nothing in WD-40 that would hurt you.

Snopes.com says this is true:-

http://www.snopes.com/business/names/wd40.asp

which points to the company's web page history:-

http://www.wd40.com/AboutUs/our_history.html

Here are some of the uses:

o Protects silver from tarnishing

o Cleans and lubricates guitar string

o Gets oil spots off concrete driveways

o Gives floors that 'just-waxed' sheen without making it

slippery

o Keeps flies off cows - animals

o Restores and cleans chalkboards

o Removes lipstick stains

o Loosens stubborn zippers

o Untangles jewellery chains

o Removes stains from stainless steel sinks

o Removes dirt and grime from the barbecue grill

o Keeps ceramic/terra cotta garden pots from oxidizing

o Removes tomato stains from clothing

o Keeps glass shower doors free of water spots

o Camouflages scratches in ceramic and marble floors

o Keeps scissors working smoothly

o Lubricates noisy door hinges on vehicles and doors in homes

o Gives a children's play gym slide a shine for a super fast

slide

o Lubricates gear shift and mower deck lever for ease of

handling on riding mowers

o Rids rocking chairs and swings of squeaky noises

o Lubricates tracks in sticking home windows and makes them

easier to open

o Spraying an umbrella stem makes it easier to open and close

o Restores and cleans padded leather dashboards in vehicles, as

well as vinyl bumpers

o Restores and cleans roof racks on vehicles

o Lubricates and stops squeaks in electric fans

o Lubricates wheel sprockets on tricycles, wagons and bicycles

for easy handling

o Lubricates fan belts on washers and dryers and keeps them

running smoothly

o Keeps rust from forming on saws and saw blades, and other

tools

o Removes splattered grease on stove

o Keeps bathroom mirror from fogging

o Lubricates prosthetic limbs

o Keeps pigeons off the balcony (they hate the smell)

o Removes all traces of duct tape

o I have even heard of folks spraying it on their arms, hands,

and knees to relieve arthritis pain.

o Florida's favourite use was "cleans and removes love bugs from

grills and bumpers

o The favourite use in the state of New York-WD-40 protects the

Statue of Liberty from the elements.

o WD-40 attracts fish. Spray a LITTLE on live bait or lures and

you will be catching the big one in no time. Also it's a lot cheaper than the chemical attractants that are made for just that purpose. Keep in mind though, using some chemical laced baits or lures for fishing are not allowed in some states.

o Use it for fire ant bites It takes the sting away immediately,

and stops the itch.

o WD-40 is great for removing crayon from walls. Spray on the

mark and wipe with a clean rag.

o Also, if you've discovered that you have washed and dried a tube of lipstick with a load of laundry,

saturate the lipstick spots with WD-40 and rewash. Presto!

Lipstick is gone!

o If you sprayed WD-40 on the distributor cap, it would displace

the moisture and allow the car to start. (If I knew what a distributor cap was, it might help)[1]

o WD-40, long known for its ability to remove leftover tape munge

(sticky label tape), is also a lovely perfume and air freshener! Sprayed liberally on every hinge in the house, it leaves that distinctive clean fresh scent for up to two days!

o Seriously though, it removes black scuff marks from the

kitchen floor!

o Use WD-40 for those nasty tar and scuff marks on flooring. It

doesn't seem to harm the finish and you won't have to scrub nearly as hard to get them off.

o Just remember to open some windows if you have a lot of marks.

o Bug guts will eat away the finish on your car if not removed

quickly! Use WD-40!

[hateworkin]

K9P is the best ;D

[logan_whiting]

inox is the way to go