New Outboard/s

[twodogsfishing]

Hi all,
we are in the process of doing up a haines formula 233 and we have arrived at the important part of motors. She used to run on twin 115s. We are currently looking at upgrading to Suzuki 4-strokes, either twin 140s or a single 250. I was hoping that posting on here we could get some feedback from anyone that is currently running a suzi in that size range. Biggest concerns at the moment are the fuel usage and what will be most effective in pushing a 2 1/2 to 3 tonne boat. Any replies will be most appreciated, thanks.
Regards Jarred

[GBC]

Gday Two Dogs,

Some second hand info for ya from a bloke who reckons he knows.....

The old formula hull loves the twins - makes em sit straight and fly straight. Will use more fuel than a single, however the single will need tabs and require more input to drive it right...
Pretty basic stuff really, but the makings of a crap ride if you get it wrong....

Briliiant hull by the way - just wouldn't like to be paying the fuel bills
Good luck with her - Post some pics

:-X Me drooling

[craigie]

Jarred,

Fuel figures for the 140 Suzzie are very good.
I'd estimate you'll burn around 30 litres per hour sitting on 3200 revs, running TWINS !!! 8-)
Cruise speeds on 4000 revs should empty the tank at less than 40 litres per hour for both donks !! 8-) 8-)
Hard to estimate speeds at these revs :-/

I have some figures for the 250 suzzie around here somewhere, will post up a later date (when I find them :P).
From memory, the twin 140 set-up could be better, although a little more weight on your Transom.

Cheers
Craigie.

Plenty of guys on Ausfish running the 140 Suzzies. Should get a few more replies to your question.

[twodogsfishing]

Thanks guys for the quick replies.... i will try post a few pics shortly....the extra weight from running the twins is no problem as the formy rides better with weight at the back

[boatboy50]

Hey,

Awesome project, can't wait for the pics.

I have the same decision to make when repowering my rig.

I am leaning toward the single 250, for the following reasons.

1. Costs about 8k less than the twins initially.

2. Costs less to run the single than to run the twins in general. The 140's use 12L/H at 4000rpm in single form. Almost double it for twins. (The 250 uses around 20l/h at 4000rpm im told)

3. Costs less to service the single 250hp.

On the upside for twins, they will prove to be a better performer, pulling from the hole quicker and having a better top speed. (They should it equates to over 250hp) They will hold weight a LOT better when the boats loaded.

The twins will prove to have a better resale value when the time comes (They should they cost more!)

The 250 will be more than capable on that hull (estimate top speed of about 38 knots). A member on this board has a single 225hp Yammie 4 Banger on his Formula. He will be able to provide you with his speed figures.

At this stage, for mine I will be going for the Single. No other brand at this time is in contention IMHO.

Regards

Darren

[SeaSaw]

Its a trade off between cost and performance. #If cost is your concern, go the single 250. #If performance is more important then I would expect the twin 140's will be much better. #For a big deep V like the Formula, the extra lift and torque that you get from running two props (extra blade area) should give you a lower planing speed and it will be better at holding a plane at low speeds in cr@p conditions.

Looking forward to some pics.

Cheers,

Mark

[twodogsfishing]

Thanks for the replys, this site surely is a great source of info... its a credit to you all, being so ready to pass on wisdom and advice

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I would be very interested in hearing from that mystery member who owns the formy with the 225 yammie on the back.
Cheers.

[Escapee]

Hi Two Dogs

I have a Suzuki 140 four stroke on the back of a Cruisecraft Outsider 575. I bought them both new 2.5 years ago and have been extremely pleased with the motor. It has plenty of get up and go to get the boat on to the plane and is extremely quiet.

Compared to a two stroke it doesn't stink and is fuel efficient. The 575 has a 160 litre fuel tank. I have gone from Manly, out through the South Passage Bar, headed north and fished various spots along the way, come back in around Cape Moreton and gone back to Manly through the Bay and at the end of the day there was still 70 litres of fuel in the tank. I estimate the motor uses 10 to 12 litres of fuel per hour at a cruising speed of 4500 rpm. Obviously that varies depending on the sea conditions! With the motor flat out the boat will do 65kph in calm water.

If you look on the Suzuki website you will find all of the specs on their four stroke motors. One of the pleasing things about the 140 four stroke is that is lighter than comparable 130 two strokes! This is because of the design that Suzuki have put together.

I believe the extra cost of the four stroke compared to a two stroke motor has been more than offset by the savings in fuel, the savings in oil, the lack of that stinky smell and the quietness. These are all factors that make a day on the water more pleasant.

Another tip for you is that you can buy the exact same motor as a Johnson 140 four stroke. They are exactly the same as the Suzuki and are made by Suzuki in the same factory in the US. The only difference is that they are painted white and have Johnson on them instead of Suzuki. This has something to do with Bombardier (Johnson's parent company) buying the right to sell them before John Haines bought the Suzuki franchise to sell Suzuki motors in Australia. This is a good thing for you because if you are prepared to shop around you can get some competition going between the Johnson dealers and the Suzuki dealers, which gets you a better price in the end. ;D

Hope this has helped. Good luck with it.

Escapee

[twodogsfishing]

Bump ;) we are in desperate need for info ;D

[rajawolf]

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[Mr__Bean]

Might be worth giving these guys a ring:

http://www.edencraft.com.au/index.html

- Darren

[twodogsfishing]

Thanks Darren, how did happen accross these guys

[Mr__Bean]

The 233's are still built down here by a number of companies that have made their own small variations to the classic hull.

They are still used extensively by the Abalone Divers down in the southern waters.

Another to try is:
Formula Power Boats Australia
32 Greenaway St Bulleen 3105 (03) 9850 9280

They build the Formula 233, and have variations on the 21 including a new centre console model.

There was a recent topic on another fishing forum (Fishnet) on the benefits of a large single compared to dual's on a 233, can't bloody find it for the life of me. BUT I do recall adverse comment about running a single.

There is a guy down here in Victoria that is right into the 233's, if you message me your email address I will pass it on to him, he has a hardtop one in full factory rebuild at the moment that will have twin 135 sterndrives fitted.

- Darren

[blackwasp]

Hi all,
#we are in the process of doing up a haines formula 233 and we have arrived at the important part of motors. #She used to run on twin 115s. #We are currently looking at upgrading to Suzuki 4-strokes, either twin 140s or a single 250. #I was hoping that posting on here we could get some feedback from anyone that is currently running a suzi in that size range. #Biggest concerns at the moment are the fuel usage and what will be most effective in pushing a 2 1/2 to 3 tonne boat. #Any replies will be most appreciated, thanks.
Regards Jarred


jarred your in luck,currently on ebay there is a bloke selling two suzuki 140`s four stroke outboards.2004 models 190 hrs,11 grand each.

[twodogsfishing]

Thanks for the heads up black wasp, but it appears they are off a cat, and we have heard that motors off cats are usually unfavourable, something to do with the spray getting sucked back in... does any one have any views on this???
Thanks again for the helpful info :)

[youngfisho]

depends on which cat they came off. newer hulls are not as prone to this as the earlier shark cats. the earlier ones were renowned for being really wet boats. but just look at the new noosa cat, kevla cat and markham cat. different boats altogether


andrew

[youngfisho]

i would be really hesitant buying or spending 22 grand on ebay. mate of mine blew over 10 grand on a tractor that never existed. some smart alecs set up a dummy site with a dummy sales pitch lure you in take your money and wham. nothin you can do or say and the police have bigger fish to fry


andrew

[Mr__Bean]

Jeepers, they look pretty good from the photo.

Not sure they would be any more affected by spray than any other installation.

If you can view them prior, I wouldn't hesitate buying off E'Bay, just do the transaction like any other purchase.

- Darren

http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/f4/b9/5c_1_b.JPG

[stark]

G'day

The 250 fuel econ is impressive. Also understand VMR Raby Bay has two 250s coming up for sale.
Contact them if your interested.

Cheers
John

[Loco]

Gday Jarred.

Have just fitted a 225 johnson 4stroke [suzuki with johnson badge] to a formula 233 haines great motor pushes to 31 knots at 5700 revs , jumps out of the hole quicker than the 2 stroke. Two would be better then one for peace of mind when fishing wide.250 could be overkill dont get many days that you could use the extra power .Sitting on 27 knots 5000 revs uses about 2.7 litres per nm


Regards Dave.

[familyman]

Two dogs my advice would be to run tabs if you're going to a single high torque motor .With the deep vee of the 233 you might get some reaction to prop torque,that would be my guess anyway. ::)
cheers jon

[Pual]

Hi Two Dogs,
I bought a Johnson 115 (suzuki) 4 stroke about 6 months ago for $11700 here in Brisbane. Thats a pretty competitive price.
Unfortunately I do not have the experience of a comparison with another 4 stroke brand, but what I can say is that everything is going very well.
I have owned 4 previous 2 stroke 115 motors of varying vintage, and compared to them this is the pick of the bunch across the board by far.
I don't think I could not be happier with the performance of an outboard.
The new motor pushes a 5.3m 20 degree hull.
If you want to know where I got the good price email me.
Pual