Don’t Ride The Waves

[shakey55]

They do say don’t ride the incoming waves

https://www.facebook.com/1858343777814668/posts/1966637726985272?s=100001597150075&v=e&sfns=xmwa


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[Noelm]

I've seen that one before, kind of looks like a lot of weight in the front, or just bad luck how the boat gets picked up and driven down and under.

[banshee]

I would never in a million years drive over the front of a wave coming in.When it's like that (close to the bottom of the run out?) I sit for a while,pick the biggest lump and sit on the back of it all the way in till it breaks then use judicious feeds of power to get some bite in the soup.

[Ah Me Ting]

Length of hull sure as hell didn't help either.

[gazza2006au]

He is crossing a bar, The swell in a bar are close together he probably had no options if u notice closely he had a swell pushing him from behind

he was unfortunate that the waves were as close as the length of his boat, really nothing he could do unless he rode the front half of his boat over the ove the fron wave but than he'd sink the ass end

[disorderly]

I guess that's why the americans refer to them as "bay boats"....;D

Too long,skinny and low sided to safely take offshore...

[gazza2006au]

Would be good if we had a few coastal guys on here who run the gauntlet so we can get first hand knowledge on coastal bars i have only ever crossed one bar and i actually anchored right on it, the bloke in the tower was yelling stuff out over the loud speaker something about tide changing and big sharks that was at the NSW Swansea Bar had no clue what a bar even was

[Aussie123]

There is no waves on that bar in that video.
That boat went down on a pressure wave inside the river, often the pressure waves can be more dangerous than a breaking swell on a bar.

[Noelm]

Been over Narooma bar hundreds of times, Port Macquarie bar a dozen times and Shoalhaven Heads hundreds of times, not that Shoalhaven is all that tricky, and if you have some skills, and knowing what waves do, it's not that hard, don't believe you need hundreds of HP and be capable of 50 knots, knowing what to do beats speed any time.

[gazza2006au]

Noel would u say that video is a bar crossing or river inlet? What would u have done differently to this poor guy

[scottar]

I did see a back story on facebook when this first surfaced saying that the hull had been taking on water. Can't comment on the accuracy of that post but it could explain the skipper not wanting to back off. A bit of free surface effect as he came over the top of one and the rest is history possibly.

[catshark]

combination of it being a low side bay boat, tide is ripping out and meeting a incoming swell that would appear bit bigger than the video shows, was he coming in too fast? possible and perhaps that type of boat doesnt react well to a bit of nose up trim. those conditons would push any boat around im sure, bit of bad luck there.

[gazza2006au]

It actually looks like a Ponga Boat they are long sevral meters and narrow like something u would use on the GBR

[catshark]

i mean they got some nasty entrances in the united states, im talking big where the boats need three outboards to get back in . jupiter inlet florida and haul over inlet....

[banshee]

Check his track in,he doesn't take a look at all just straight in from open sea over an entire set at pace.If it didn't happen that day it was bound to happen him eventually.

[catshark]

he might have got distracted by the overhead drone.

[banshee]

he might have got distracted by the overhead drone.

I was actually wondering if decided to bung it on a bit for the camera.

[Noelm]

i mean they got some nasty entrances in the united states, im talking big where the boats need three outboards to get back in . jupiter inlet florida and haul over inlet....
What happens to all the single engine and twin engine boats, are they still out there? the number of engines has nothing to do with what happened there, and we here in Aus have some pretty "interesting" river/bar/inlet places as well that would equal any US ones I have seen in videos.

[Noelm]

I guess that's why the americans refer to them as "bay boats"....;D

Too long,skinny and low sided to safely take offshore...
Certainly not a bay boat, and more than capable of going offshore

[Noelm]

I did see a back story on facebook when this first surfaced saying that the hull had been taking on water. Can't comment on the accuracy of that post but it could explain the skipper not wanting to back off. A bit of free surface effect as he came over the top of one and the rest is history possibly.
Yep, heard and read similar things, how true they are is anyone's guess, but, it appears the boat was taking on water (sinking) he had a couple of options, sink out in the ocean and hope to get picked up, or try to make it back to shore, now, let's say the hull is full of water, he slows when he hits the back of the wave, all the water rushes to the front, you now have what is a submarine, that's just a wild guess on my part too, but looks pretty feasible when you see the video.

[Noelm]

There is no waves on that bar in that video.
That boat went down on a pressure wave inside the river, often the pressure waves can be more dangerous than a breaking swell on a bar.
This is pretty much right, that situation is not like a big swell breaking, those waves are almost stationary, so, unless you want to just stand still, there is no other option than to drive over them (especially if you are sinking) but if the boat and motor were OK, you can just drive over/through/around standing waves, they kind of pop up, fade away, then pop up again, often quite quickly.

[Ah Me Ting]

Would be good if we had a few coastal guys on here who run the gauntlet so we can get first hand knowledge on coastal bars...

I grew up on the Camden Haven and crossed the bar their a lot in everything from tinnies with 15hp motors up to a 5.25m Milligan Nipper with a 75hp. Had my old Stessco Squire 385 with 18hp out through it too a few times.

Done Port Macquarie bar a few times, Ballina, Yamba, Wooli and Minnie Waters too all a couple of times.

Been through Caloundra bar a few times and Mooloolaba.

Couple of trips through Jumpin Pin and the Seaway

Beach launches at Waddy on Fraser are probably the most fun, but risky, due to the wave zone and 'surf bar'. I've seen some BIG boats in trouble due to misreading the water, gutter and swell.

Most recently in past 10 years Tweed, Kingscliff, Brunswick and Pottsville entrances have been my regulars.

While all are different, similarities exist too. Run out tide off the back of big flood tides is no time to cross in swell and wind from different directions. Hell, no time to cross at best, but way WAY ugly in cross wind swell affected approaches.

Every bar has a safest option. Sometimes it takes a good half n hour or more of watching to pick up the trends. Watching from headlands or walls is good, often better than trying to pick it from a boat in the mouth of the entrance.

A beach landing can be safer and easier than an ugly river bar entrance. Beaches don't have the same water flow impacts. Getting the boat from the gutter, onto sand then trailer and away can be tricky. I like to have a beach fall back I know if sneaking out from any bar. Might be a walk back to the car and trailer, but, at least home safely if ever needed.

I've turned around and not ventured out many times. I'd don't risk it. If in doubt don't go out is my motto.

[shortthenlong]

This is old footage and the incident was discussed at large on THT.

https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/304359-tragic-accident-coming-jupiter-inlet-old-thread-2010-a.html

[Aussie123]

That is a totally different boat.




This is old footage and the incident was discussed at large on THT.

https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/304359-tragic-accident-coming-jupiter-inlet-old-thread-2010-a.html

[shortthenlong]

That is a totally different boat.

I was pretty sure it was discussed in that thread but if not it certainly was on THT and went on and on. Overloaded leaking underpowered etc etc

[Almako]

why did he back of the throttle should have gunned it up the next one