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johnjvv
23-06-2018, 08:32 AM
Hello there!

This weekend is the Melbourne boat show and it is my intention to leave having ordered a 5.2 ish meter boat. Family fishing boat that we can use for a bit of skiing as well.

I intend to get a 525f Haines Signature with either a 115 merc or suzuki.

I looked at HH but the just dont look as well finished and for some reason they all push me to their 5.35 boat which is too big for my yard. Also looked at evolution but they have a reputation of apparently rolling over, However they have a nicer deck and cabin than the HS.

I am passing on the cheap brands.

Any pearls of wisdom to help me?

Cheers
John

chocolatemoose
23-06-2018, 09:28 AM
Come say hello whilst your there john :) Stand C5.

i can say the 5mt evolution is a very very good boat. the roll over thing is hyped up a bit.. and was attributed to their 6.5mt model only.

chocolatemoose
23-06-2018, 09:29 AM
for viewing pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=230xIfINkNQ

Noelm
23-06-2018, 09:45 AM
If you want a good performing boat, consider a Sea Devil, if you want a popular boat, get a Seafarer, if you want to believe advertising, buy anything else.

johnjvv
23-06-2018, 12:29 PM
If you want a good performing boat, consider a Sea Devil, if you want a popular boat, get a Seafarer, if you want to believe advertising, buy anything else.

Too bad neither of those are sold in Vic!!

Chimo
23-06-2018, 01:00 PM
BS johnjw J V Marine sell Seafarer in Melb.https://www.jvmarine.com.au/seafarer-boats/

johnjvv
23-06-2018, 01:02 PM
BS johnjw J V Marine sell Seafarer in Melb.https://www.jvmarine.com.au/seafarer-boats/

I live 3km away from JV Marine...they used to sell them...

stevej
23-06-2018, 01:56 PM
hyped up ? how many rolled again

shame fishnet and a bunch of other forums are dead and all the posts went with them

gazza2006au
23-06-2018, 02:35 PM
for viewing pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=230xIfINkNQ

I like the deck drains in that video

Noelm
23-06-2018, 06:38 PM
Too bad neither of those are sold in Vic!!
You don't buy a new boat every day, I would be looking for what suits me best, not what I can buy conveniently.

catshark
23-06-2018, 06:44 PM
how many did roll and what was the reason.

chocolatemoose
23-06-2018, 07:01 PM
From what ive seen. 3 or 4 6.5's rolled.. all various situations. . . it became a bit of a flavour to just bag out though which i didnt really like. australians are pretty crap at that sort of behaviour. how many cats have rolled on bars?. a whittley rolled earlier this year. its a non starter . case in point here is a 5mt boat as well.

unconfirmed but i think JV has started to move away from the haines group "no longer suzuki etc".. which may suggest signature and seafarer are moving. though i should pop up the road and just ask mark. so....... i wont comment i guess :D

552Evo
23-06-2018, 07:07 PM
Fwiw I bought my Evo at the Melbourne Boat Show. I've had my Evo 2 years now, 552 Axis, it's the Centre Console version, they are the same hull as the other 552 models. 6.2m overall length. 552 is the waterline length.
Ive been through the heads in 7+ meter swell, and travelled from one side of the bay to the other a few times, sometimes in 1+m chop skipping over the swell at speed. No issues at all with the hull. It's too easy to knock a company, ive had nothing but excellent after sales service with my boat. I see it as one of the big positives in being able to go locally back to the factory after the sale. I got to see the progress stages all the way in the build process, and picked and chose what extras went in along the way. I wanted to fit all the electronics myself so I just got them to run the heavy gauge cables within the hull while they were building it. Too easy.
By all means PM me if you have any specific questions I might be able to help.
Good luck and enjoy whatever new boat you choose.
Cheers
Jamie





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johnjvv
23-06-2018, 09:00 PM
I really want to look at a Seafarer 5 meter cuddy. They look nice...

I thought JV Marine/haines divorce was known...they were selling Signature and Revival at the same time. They were not doing Signature any favours, they pushed me towards a Revival when looking at a Signature and said they were like for like boats. Also said the premium for the Signature is only based on the name. In addition they have taken on the Merc agency instead of Haines's Suzuki.

The Evo is a nice boat. I looked at one earlier the week. The fiberglass floor makes sense to me. I dont get carpet to be honest.It would be great if Evo had come out and addressed the problem with the rollover officially. Whilst I believe that it is limited to a type of their boats, you have to wonder how the reputation hurts resale.

Lovey80
24-06-2018, 07:15 AM
Fwiw I bought my Evo at the Melbourne Boat Show. I've had my Evo 2 years now, 552 Axis, it's the Centre Console version, they are the same hull as the other 552 models. 6.2m overall length. 552 is the waterline length.
Ive been through the heads in 7+ meter swell, and travelled from one side of the bay to the other a few times, sometimes in 1+m chop skipping over the swell at speed. No issues at all with the hull. It's too easy to knock a company, ive had nothing but excellent after sales service with my boat. I see it as one of the big positives in being able to go locally back to the factory after the sale. I got to see the progress stages all the way in the build process, and picked and chose what extras went in along the way. I wanted to fit all the electronics myself so I just got them to run the heavy gauge cables within the hull while they were building it. Too easy.
By all means PM me if you have any specific questions I might be able to help.
Good luck and enjoy whatever new boat you choose.
Cheers
Jamie

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get the pop corn ready.

Noelm
24-06-2018, 07:39 AM
Too bad neither of those are sold in Vic!!
Are you saying there is no Seafarer dealer in Victoria? not that I am suggesting a Seafarer to be your best option, just seems strange.

johnjvv
24-06-2018, 08:16 AM
Are you saying there is no Seafarer dealer in Victoria? not that I am suggesting a Seafarer to be your best option, just seems strange.

Nothing listed on Seafarer website. I will check with one of tbe Signature dealers as they come from the same builder.

johnjvv
24-06-2018, 07:36 PM
Haines Signature just upgraded their hp for the 525f hull from 115 to 140...

swof63
24-06-2018, 10:43 PM
Haines Signature just upgraded their hp for the 525f hull from 115 to 140...

I think it's still 200kg max transom weight though which will handle the zuk 140 but not the Merc 135 which is a far gruntier engine.
The zuk 115/140 and Merc 115 are all 2.1 ltr engines and have similar torque. The Merc 135 is 3 ltr and way more torque.

Just noticed JV website no longer sprukes either signature or seafarer as dealer represented. Heard some time ago they'd dropped after going to Merc but hadn't checked.
Sig only list 1 vic dealer - in Warrnambool or somewhere out west, not sure why Phillip island not listed I'm pretty sure they still do them......


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johnjvv
25-06-2018, 06:55 AM
I think it's still 200kg max transom weight though which will handle the zuk 140 but not the Merc 135 which is a far gruntier engine.
The zuk 115/140 and Merc 115 are all 2.1 ltr engines and have similar torque. The Merc 135 is 3 ltr and way more torque.

Just noticed JV website no longer sprukes either signature or seafarer as dealer represented. Heard some time ago they'd dropped after going to Merc but hadn't checked.
Sig only list 1 vic dealer - in Warrnambool or somewhere out west, not sure why Phillip island not listed I'm pretty sure they still do them......


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I believe they are getting an East vic dealer but unsure about Seafarer.

Yeah I saw the 200kg weight rating, The merc 135 is 206kg.. It gets the HS suzuki competing with the merc 115 and 115 pro xs but exludes the 135 merc due to being 6kg overweight. I am sure it is intentional. It also puts them in par with the Hunter model's rating.

Smithy
25-06-2018, 09:21 AM
Save your money. Buy 2nd hand. Get a nice hull with an old 2 smoke on it. Re-power with a new 4 stroke for piece of mind and I am sure you will be miles in front. Depending on the trailer you could probably throw a new open channel gal or alloy trailer under it and it would still be cheaper than a new package. The first owner/owners have probably added a bit of fruit for you already. All the things that will ad up buying new, radios, electronics, bimini and clears, rocket launcher, spare wheel and carrier, adjusted the trailer and winch, etc, etc., all teething things that will come with a new boat. I still couldn't come at an Evo after the Dick Tracy saga on here, the rollovers and experience from people who have been on them.

johnjvv
25-06-2018, 10:46 AM
Save your money. Buy 2nd hand.

Good advice but I am struggling to identify that good used hull...what year range would you be looking at?

Fed
25-06-2018, 11:18 AM
Move to NSW.
https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1985-Seafarer-Viking/SSE-AD-5261043/?cr=1&psq=%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Make%3D%5 BSEAFARER%5D%29%26LengthInFeet%3Drange%5B17..17%5D %29%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats %5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CS iloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BDemo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%29%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

This would be the very top end pricewise but it looks to be fairly well done and is negotiable.
A lot would depend on the motor.

I'll be selling mine in the next year or so & expect to get 5-8K for it.

Vromme
25-06-2018, 11:50 AM
Look at Sea Devils. No bling just wow for performance.

johnjvv
25-06-2018, 12:15 PM
Move to NSW.

This would be the very top end pricewise but it looks to be fairly well done and is negotiable.
A lot would depend on the motor.

I'll be selling mine in the next year or so & expect to get 5-8K for it.

I am not going to move to NSW just because they are the best at league...

Lovey80
25-06-2018, 04:40 PM
John what is your price range?

have you thought about the best 5.2m hull ever made?

johnjvv
25-06-2018, 05:44 PM
John what is your price range?

have you thought about the best 5.2m hull ever made?

Indulge me??

billfisher
25-06-2018, 06:22 PM
Save your money. Buy 2nd hand. Get a nice hull with an old 2 smoke on it. Re-power with a new 4 stroke for piece of mind and I am sure you will be miles in front. Depending on the trailer you could probably throw a new open channel gal or alloy trailer under it and it would still be cheaper than a new package. The first owner/owners have probably added a bit of fruit for you already. All the things that will ad up buying new, radios, electronics, bimini and clears, rocket launcher, spare wheel and carrier, adjusted the trailer and winch, etc, etc., all teething things that will come with a new boat. I still couldn't come at an Evo after the Dick Tracy saga on here, the rollovers and experience from people who have been on them.

I am not sure about that, financially speaking. For instance a new 90hp 4 stroke will cost around 15K fitted then you want to add several thousand for a new trailer. All that is putting it up towards the price of a new rig. If you want to save the I would keep the old 2 stroke if it still runs well, avoid rusty trailers, ie shop around for something in good condition as is.

Smithy
26-06-2018, 08:36 AM
So looking at new boats in your size range, looks like your budget is $45K+ from Boatsales.

Turn key for $37K.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2008-Haines-Hunter-530-BREEZE/OAG-AD-15789001/?cr=15&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BHAINES%20HUNTER%5D%29&pso=15&pss=Premium

Virtually a new motor for $40K.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2008-Haines-Hunter-530-BREEZE/OAG-AD-15789001/?cr=15&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BHAINES%20HUNTER%5D%29&pso=15&pss=Premium

$20K with 2 banger for repower.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1999-Haines-Hunter-530-CLASSIC/SSE-AD-5232072/?cr=18&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BHAINES%20HUNTER%5D%29&pso=15&pss=Premium

$36K if you aren't E-tec predjudice.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2003-Haines-Hunter-530-BREEZE/SSE-AD-5056174/?cr=26&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BHAINES%20HUNTER%5D%29&pso=15&pss=Premium

Only 30hrs for a bigger offshore capable Signature for $39K.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2007-Haines-Signature-542F/SSE-AD-5146795/?cr=3&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BHAINES%20SIGNATURE%5D%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

Tidy thing for $26K.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2002-Haines-Signature-520C/OAG-AD-16095064/?cr=6&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BHAINES%20SIGNATURE%5D%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

Tournament repower option. At some stage they went to all glass in their construction, probably around this time.

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2013-Tournament-1750-Tournament/SSE-AD-5358461/?cr=0&psq=%28%28%28%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26Len gthInFeet%3Drange%5B16..18%5D%29%26Price%3Drange%5 B15000..40000%5D%29%26BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%29%26 %28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Make%3D% 5BTournament%5D%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

That's without looking at plateys etc. and sticking to known brands quickly.

johnjvv
26-06-2018, 09:08 AM
Hey Smitty...

Thanks for your help...what do you think of this one?

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2011-Haines-Signature-530C/SSE-AD-5514510/?cr=1&psq=%28%28Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%26%28Make%3D%5 BHAINES%20SIGNATURE%5D%26Model%3D%5B530C%5D%29%29% 26%28%28SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%7CS iloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloTy pe%3D%5BDemo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%29%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

ranmar850
26-06-2018, 10:03 AM
Some turn of the century Haines in that above list--was it the Haines Hunter or Signature of that era that suffered from poor building standards, and were very prone to early rot from not having timber under the deck sealed? Or was that just another prolonged internet argument? Regardless of make, there have been plenty of Australian made boats only 10-15 years old that have needed extensive and expensive rebuilds by unsuspecting new owners. Nice and shiny to look at.
I've personally long been a fan of buying an older hull and repowering, but there are definite upsides in buying new. You get what you want, no need for new trailers, motors, electronics,( electronics age really quickly) , batteries wiring, all the things that really add up on a s/hand purchase, and you can end up within 75% of the new price. And then, when you go to sell--they all get sold, eventually--you have a much newer boat to sell. I've been through the process a few times, which is why I went new this time. Got it fitted the way I want, and all I'll be spending in the next 10 years is on regular maintenance. Most new builds now have very little or zero wood, at least where it matters, which is underdeck or in the transom.

johnjvv
26-06-2018, 11:23 AM
I have been looking at new but the appeal of saving a ton on used is big.

Vromme
26-06-2018, 11:33 AM
The issue I find with used boats in Aus is they seem to really hold their value (unlike USA where they are more like a car). A lot of used boats say 1990/2000 even upto 2010 models are selling for same sort of price they sold for back in the day. Even brand new barely used ones are asking for only a few % less than new cost with the appeal of save waiting times (esp for smaller custom manufacturers).

In the US it seems as soon as you take it home it almost halves in value. I have seen some boats here actually sell for same as new price!

ben475
26-06-2018, 12:26 PM
Ive seen plenty of 10 year old boats advertised for same price as they were new, give or take a few grand.

johnjvv
26-06-2018, 01:15 PM
Ive seen plenty of 10 year old boats advertised for same price as they were new, give or take a few grand.

Whilst I will be using this argument to get approval to buy a boat....

30k 10 years ago is worth 44k today at 4% interest..20k 10 years ago is 30k today.

So a boat selling for the same price today as what it cost 10 years ago has depreciated roughly 30%

Dont tell anyone!!!

Noelm
26-06-2018, 01:39 PM
There is plenty of older boats with a great reputation that are rotted to bits, been rebuilt, or need to be rebuilt, brand means nothing as far as quality goes, neither does being popular (common is more correct)

BigE
26-06-2018, 05:33 PM
Chaos Cat 520 will fit the bill.

only question is how fast you want pull the brave soul on the ski.

BigE

Smithy
26-06-2018, 06:35 PM
That 530 Signature seems fine but maybe a bit under powered with a 90, especially for skiing but maybe the Opti might do it easier than a 115 stroke. In the size bracket you are looking at, it is probably wise to run a second lower pitch propellor for your skiing days then the right pitch prop for your fishing days. Rocket launcher is a toy and not a true SS one. Starting to get a big boat for a single axle trailer although I see a lot of the 540-542-543 Signatures on single axles too. Single axle has its pros from a maintence side and if you have to jockey wheel it around somewhere or something. I would be sure the right thing would pop up 2nd hand over time. What is the lead time on something new?

Smithy
26-06-2018, 06:41 PM
Just saw this on Bookface. Bit bigger and more horsepower which would be better for skiing though getting high hours for an Opti and a new compressor for it it would be in the budget if it hadn't already been done.

Chimo
26-06-2018, 06:48 PM
Johnjvv

I had one of these and they are a great fishing skiing etc boat for little money, worth checking out
Express Cavalier 1992 5.6m Aluminium Fishing Boat Estimated price for orientation: 12 750 $ Category: Motorboats Class:










Description

Condition:
Used: An item that has been used previously. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections. See all condition definitions- opens in a new window or tab ... Read moreabout the condition
Year:
1990s


State:
VIC
Hull Material:
Aluminium


Length:
5.6m
Brand:
EXPRESS Cavalier


Included Items:
Anchor, GPS, Outboard Motor, Radios, Registration, Safety Vests, Trailer




1992 Express Cavalier - 5.6 metre Aluminium half cabin boat and 2014 Nautica Trailer.Great fishing boat for Port Phillip or Westernport. Get out on the reds.Timber floor, Rod Holders, Bilge pump, Carries 6 persons.Wide interior makes for easy fishing.Mercury 75hp Three cylinder 2 stroke motor. Regularly serviced and maintained. New stator and Tilt pump. Boat has new windscreen. Trailer in fantastic condition. New wheels/tyres. New winch. Suzuki 8HP aux included.Comes with radio/CD player, marine radio, dual batteries, GPS/fish finder, Rod holders, Full covers from windscreen to the transom, PFD's, Anchor, flares.Seats are moveable to the centre of the boat and reversable.Great boat. Both Trailer and Boat registered till late next year.Ring 0423020920 or Ebay message for viewing. Located Frankston South.

Vromme
27-06-2018, 07:24 AM
Whilst I will be using this argument to get approval to buy a boat....

30k 10 years ago is worth 44k today at 4% interest..20k 10 years ago is 30k today.

So a boat selling for the same price today as what it cost 10 years ago has depreciated roughly 30%

Dont tell anyone!!!


Yeah Nah.

Its inflation that you work out added costs. Its averages around 2% per year in Aus for past 10 years.
EG $10,000.00 in 2007 = $12,644.30 in 2017 (https://www.rba.gov.au/calculator/annualDecimal.html)

Australians are willing to pay a premium for 2nd hand boats (prob to save a few k).

Extras (esp electronics) do quickly add up but it used to be that they made a boat a little easier to sell, these days they seem to add price of 2nd hand.

A well built boat should last a loong time (although a lot off mass production boats really arent that well made!) but trailers and motors do wear out (quite quickly) and electronics does date. Other extras corrode.

If I was in the market Id be hunting around for a good new or close to new deal. If I couldnt afford that I would def be offering quite a bit lower than a lot of asking prices.

The other wtg is get a new/ish hull then 2nd hand close to new motor (obviously have it checked out). Can save quite a bit this way. Motors tend to be updated down the track if youre happy with the boat.

johnjvv
27-06-2018, 08:51 AM
Yeah Nah.

Its inflation that you work out added costs. Its averages around 2% per year in Aus for past 10 years.
EG $10,000.00 in 2007 = $12,644.30 in 2017 (https://www.rba.gov.au/calculator/annualDecimal.html)



Fair point...fortunately it is possible to beat inflation and I was referring to compound interest in an investment that would make 4%. I like what your argument though, it will help me!

johnjvv
27-06-2018, 08:58 AM
I am really limited to the 5.2 meter mark due to space in my yard. I like the 542f's and have considered getting a used one and putting it in the dry docks instead of limiting the size.

Vromme
27-06-2018, 09:17 AM
Personally Id prefer to keep in yard. The ongoing $ you save on storage you can add into the boat. Good to have at home if you like to tinker.

A good 5.2m boat will do about as much as a slightly bigger one will.

Chimo
27-06-2018, 09:21 AM
John

The one I mentioned sold 3 yrs ago. Stuff on the net sure stays there a while?

Fed
27-06-2018, 10:24 AM
You could get a draw bar hinge if you find the 'right' boat but it's too long for your yard.

johnjvv
27-06-2018, 10:31 AM
You could get a draw bar hinge if you find the 'right' boat but it's too long for your yard.

The issue is the beam of longer boats. I need to be able to park a car next to it and get the bins and mower around it...

GBC
27-06-2018, 12:10 PM
The 542 is still the skinny hull - 2.1m wide - that's why they run so well.

upstart
27-06-2018, 12:44 PM
I just sold a 492F which was a brilliant boat. I'd be getting the 525F if it was my $$$.

johnjvv
27-06-2018, 01:30 PM
I just sold a 492F which was a brilliant boat. I'd be getting the 525F if it was my $$$.

That is my favourite as well. They are nice.

Lovey80
28-06-2018, 05:58 AM
Indulge me??

Sorry I was overlooking the Ski requirement when I posted. Was going to suggest a 5.2KC.

bden
29-06-2018, 07:58 AM
525 looks good. Looks like they pushed the cabin forward which is great for fishing room. Matched with the 115 merc 4stroke would be a great set up Based on economy my mates 115 merc 4stroke was about 15 percent better than my 150.


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swof63
29-06-2018, 06:17 PM
The 525 is a nice boat, if your limit is width rather than length then a recent 543 or new 545 will give you a bit more boat but still has the 2.1 width as mentioned above.

Signature are changing their vic dealer structure, spoke to a contact today and in the wake of JV dropping them most existing Vic dealers have been pulled and apparently a couple of new ones are in the works, I believe neither are metro dealers and the one that stays on is from warnambool. The local yard where I got my signature is one that has been dropped, and as the support/supply location is very important to me fair to say my next boat is now not going to be signature. Bugger I liked the 575rf.


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Andy56
29-06-2018, 07:28 PM
That 530 Signature seems fine but maybe a bit under powered with a 90, especially for skiing but maybe the Opti might do it easier than a 115 stroke. In the size bracket you are looking at, it is probably wise to run a second lower pitch propellor for your skiing days then the right pitch prop for your fishing days. Rocket launcher is a toy and not a true SS one. Starting to get a big boat for a single axle trailer although I see a lot of the 540-542-543 Signatures on single axles too. Single axle has its pros from a maintence side and if you have to jockey wheel it around somewhere or something. I would be sure the right thing would pop up 2nd hand over time. What is the lead time on something new?
The 90 isnt going to be much different to a 115 except in outright speed. Signatures really shine on max HP.

Andy56
29-06-2018, 07:37 PM
Save your money. Buy 2nd hand. Get a nice hull with an old 2 smoke on it. Re-power with a new 4 stroke for piece of mind and I am sure you will be miles in front. Depending on the trailer you could probably throw a new open channel gal or alloy trailer under it and it would still be cheaper than a new package. The first owner/owners have probably added a bit of fruit for you already. All the things that will ad up buying new, radios, electronics, bimini and clears, rocket launcher, spare wheel and carrier, adjusted the trailer and winch, etc, etc., all teething things that will come with a new boat. I still couldn't come at an Evo after the Dick Tracy saga on here, the rollovers and experience from people who have been on them.
Thats what i was planning too. Getting a good hull is only going to save me around $4,000 by the time a new trailer and 2nd hand motor come into play. So i am revising my strategy! Jackaroo 445 cc is only $9000 for the hull. Compared to some HH 16R which are priced at $10,000 or so. Needless to say, i dont trust any HH or HS from that era to be rot free. And then , i see some nice quintrex for $18,000 and i get totally confused, lol.
Its easy to say get secondhand, but the downside can be costly if you make a mistake.

552Evo
29-06-2018, 11:09 PM
Johnjvv, good luck at the boat show, I'm going Sunday for a look, Love the smell of new boats. I hope you snag yourself a deal.
Just focus on a hull and deck style you like to make a direction to aim for.
Everything else is an option, ie motor, trailer, fitout.
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johnjvv
30-06-2018, 06:55 PM
Johnjvv, good luck at the boat show, I'm going Sunday for a look, Love the smell of new boats. I hope you snag yourself a deal.
Just focus on a hull and deck style you like to make a direction to aim for.
Everything else is an option, ie motor, trailer, fitout.
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I went yesterday and got close to putting my money where my heart is.

I guess I came to the realisation that I am crazy to buy a brand spanker as a first boat.

Everybody's advice was great thanks alot.

I am now in the market for a $25k used boat as opposed to a $60k new one and there are a.

gazza2006au
30-06-2018, 08:21 PM
John 25k budget can get u a really nice boat not all tinnie's are tinnie's so don't rule them out i know the Quintrex Millennium Bowrider for instance rides very much like a fibreglass boat but its all aluminium if u can find a hull like that in a fishing boat maybe a Quintrex 5.3m runabout? half cabin? might be suitable for you, no structural plywood to worry about you get the fuel economy of the light alloy boat but the benefits of a non slapping or non pounding hull, there are alloy boats out there from the 1960's that are still in good nick with no repairs, i owned a 1973 model Quinny awesome boat still today also owned a later model Quinny Cruiseabout wish i had never sold it

Andy56
01-07-2018, 09:42 AM
John 25k budget can get u a really nice boat not all tinnie's are tinnie's so don't rule them out i know the Quintrex Millennium Bowrider for instance rides very much like a fibreglass boat but its all aluminium if u can find a hull like that in a fishing boat maybe a Quintrex 5.3m runabout? half cabin? might be suitable for you, no structural plywood to worry about you get the fuel economy of the light alloy boat but the benefits of a non slapping or non pounding hull, there are alloy boats out there from the 1960's that are still in good nick with no repairs, i owned a 1973 model Quinny awesome boat still today also owned a later model Quinny Cruiseabout wish i had never sold it

I agree with gazza, over $25,000 you see some very nice boats.
As for quintrex riding like fiberglass, i suggest you exaggerate a bit lol. The new blade hulls should be closer than ever to a good fiberglass boat. Quinnies do have other benefits though, such as max space on board. And thats important when you have a family.
As for older quinnies, they want too much money for their age and they aint that good a riding boat without the millenium hull.
Now its my turn to go to the show, wallet tight against my chest, lol.

gazza2006au
01-07-2018, 04:08 PM
Just seen this on FaceBook $23,000, 5.2 meters

johnjvv
01-07-2018, 05:42 PM
Just seen this on FaceBook $23,000, 5.2 meters

What fb page is that?

Chimo
01-07-2018, 06:46 PM
Take your pick, 3 on the first page https://www.google.com/search?q=savage+5.2+boat+for+sale&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab

First on the gumtree site
(https://www.google.com/search?q=savage+5.2+boat+for+sale&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab)

gazza2006au
01-07-2018, 09:39 PM
A group called "boat sales australia" plenty of other boats out there tho

stevej
02-07-2018, 04:28 PM
drive any aluminimum boat like a glass equivalent and you will have on every tired hull in a few years

gazza2006au
02-07-2018, 05:35 PM
drive any aluminimum boat like a glass equivalent and you will have on every tired hull in a few years

My mate owns a 4.79m Stacer flat stick over swell, chop, wake anything really he only knows full bore if u fall out than that's your problem, his boat never had a problem no cracks or dents, its scary how he drives your up casting lures next minute your on ya ass because he floored it to chase the birds lol