Quintrex 560 legend Repower

[hobble]

Hi guys first time poster
i have a 1999 quintrex 560 legend center console with the old Yamaha V4 115 on it great engine just getting stick of the fuel its using last trip i did 9km and its drank 20L of fuel it does have 1200 hrs on it so i want to upgrade to a 4 stroke in 115hp or 130hp
what are peoples experience with these new outboards Yamaha Suzuki mercury etc etc any help would be great with so many option its hard to make up my mind

[PixieAU]

Hi. I have a 2003 560 Quinnie Classic runabout. I did have a 130hp Yamaha 2 stroke which would max out at 70km/h.

I know you've asked about different motors but I'll give you my story for additional context.

When i repowered i looked at the maximum 115hp in Suzuki but ended up going for 90hp instead. It's a smaller block which at the time was about $2500 cheaper. For insurance purposes I wasn't interested in going above maximum rating.

I average about 0.4l/km and rarely wish for more HP. It's only glass out days that i can go top speed of 55km/h and i find that fast enough for my style of boating. For the rest of the time i enjoy the fuel economy.

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[Noelm]

What is the max HP rating?

[lethal098]

All the modern day 4 strokes are much the same, Look for the best deal and the best dealer to where you are located.

[hobble]

im getting the max hp upgraded to 135 im really looking at yamaha 130 and the 135 mercury
yamaha 1.8L vs 3.0L mercury i can get both at the same price has any used the new mercury?

[blacklab]

Hi hobby, while not having either engine, I know people with both the yam 130 and a merc 150
The merc 135, is a detuned 150
A few things to consider, the yami weighs in at 172 kg and is effectively the 115 tricked up. the merc is a 3 litre and weighs in at 206kg, now thats a big weight difference to consider. The merc on a 5.4 fibreglass, (150) tops out past 80km ph, its a 3 litre power house. the yam performs well on a mates 5.5, but there's a HUGE difference in performance between the two, the merc is at another level.
Have you considered the new 115 merc, at about 165 kg and its a 2 litre engine, ( bigger cubic capacity than the yam 130 ) that's an option to look at.
my mate with his 150 merc, actually confessed to me that it was over kill for his 5.4 and if he had it over again he would have opted for the 115...
there's a comparison test on u tube, with the new 115 merc, shaping up against the 125 opti, it out performed the opti at both top end and hole shot.

All good engines, most new brands now are pretty good, and the new breed of 4 strokes are well and truly catching up to 2 stroke performance i'll be in the same boat as you soon, choosing a power plant.
good luck

[mace01]

My CC530 Explorer had a 115 CT Merc. incredible motor, top speed ~65kmh, but more importantly cruised at 3200-3500 rpm and drank about 2.2km/L. I'd reckon that would be more than sufficient on your lighter boat. And you wouldn;t need to re-rate. Mat

[swof63]

Go the cubes.
Just swapped a 140 Zuke (2.0l) for 150merc (3.0l). Difference is night and day, transformed the boat. Still cruises at 25kts for 20l/hr, but merc does it at 3500rpm rather than 4800 for the zuke. Top end went from 35kts to 41 one up. Two up Mercury hardly changed, zuke dropped 2-3kts.
Cubes makes a huge difference to how the boat drives and how much you have to work the throttle in a sea. The zuke made 145nm torque, the merc makes 244nm. Different league. Go the biggest cubes the transom weight will allow. The yammy at 1.8 will be low in torque.


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[grinner2]

I have a 5.6m 2001 model Spirit ( cuddy cab ) Did have a thirsty 2stroke 115 merc on the back , upgraded to a 115hp four stroke Suzuki 3 years ago & have never regretted it !!
Fuel consumption is 1/2 what I used to use , & quiet as a mouse .

[Camhawk88]

Wouldnt go any bigger than a 115 myself. It will produce more than enough power and you would rarely use it all unless it was dead flat. 30 knots is heaps fast enough in a tinny and the 115 will get you there with ease. The lower weight and cheaper price makes the decision easy in my book.

[blacklab]

Wouldnt go any bigger than a 115 myself. It will produce more than enough power and you would rarely use it all unless it was dead flat. 30 knots is heaps fast enough in a tinny and the 115 will get you there with ease. The lower weight and cheaper price makes the decision easy in my book.
Totally agree...
I was looking at the 130 yam a while back as an option but couldn't believe how much coin they wanted for it, to be the same price as the 135 Merc, is ridiculous, an 1800cc 115 tricked up to be re born as a 130, the same price as a 3 ltr !! and I like the yam engines.
I'm still 6 months or so away before I seriously start to hand over some hard earned, but I've been around and looked at everything from Suzuki, Merc, Yamaha, Etec and after a few weekends of doing that, being told by the Suzuki bloke that the 140 is more powerful than the 150 Merc, the Yami bloke that there new 130 is the most powerful in its class, the Etec bloke that says there's shits over any other model I'm over it, I'll make my final decision on the internet and talking to blokes down at the local ramp or guys I know with the specific engine range I'm looking at. Been a big turn off in all honesty, I haven't been in one showroom yet, where I've gone up and asked for some literature on an engine, it takes less that 2 minutes for the sales man to start slagging competition with no prompting from me, it really has been an eye opener hearing it all, dunno what other people have experienced, but I recon that could be well served just talking up the benefits of what there selling rather than immediately go on the slag wagon towards there competition............
anyway, that's just been my experience

[Noelm]

I don't quite see your reasoning there, just because it's 1.8L it should be cheaper than a 3L of the same HP?

[Andy56]

My experience was that an etec 130 had as much get up and go as a suzuki140.
Step up to a 150hp is like a whole other world.. Under 150 your going to push to get over 60km/hr. with a !50 your pushing 80km/hr.. The bigger blocks have far more torque. If your going to stay under 150, 90,115, 130,135 is not going to be all that different. If you do go 150, the etec gen2 has so much to offer.

[Camhawk88]

It is a 5.6m pressed alloy boat. Why are we talking about 150hp??

Honestly, a pressed alloy boat should not be taken above 30 knots on anything more than a foot of chop. It is both uncomfortable and is likely to result in hull damage.

Not to mention getting the hull re-rated to take more horesepower and weight than originally designed is likely to result in poor manners at rest and probably underway.

[mace01]

I don't quite see your reasoning there, just because it's 1.8L it should be cheaper than a 3L of the same HP?
Perfect reasoning I'd say. Bigger block, more material, cost of engineering to get in small form factor...
on another note, the Merc 115 is 2.1L BTW.

[Noelm]

Still don't see how a smaller capacity, same HP, motor should be cheaper or dearer, but that's fine, we all have different ideas!

[swof63]

I don't quite see your reasoning there, just because it's 1.8L it should be cheaper than a 3L of the same HP?

Yeah coz the 3L has more air in it and air's free so it should be cheaper.


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[Andy56]

My experience was that an etec 130 had as much get up and go as a suzuki140.
Step up to a 150hp is like a whole other world.. Under 150 your going to push to get over 60km/hr. with a !50 your pushing 80km/hr.. The bigger blocks have far more torque. If your going to stay under 150, 90,115, 130,135 is not going to be all that different. If you do go 150, the etec gen2 has so much to offer.

What i also wanted to say was that i found it difficult to tell the difference in a suzi115 to a suzi140 on a signature. The performance seemed similar. Or not enough to say wow.

As to speed of a tinnie, the 560 would have no problem coping with the bigger motor..

[DaveR]

Still don't see how a smaller capacity, same HP, motor should be cheaper or dearer, but that's fine, we all have different ideas!

Look beyond the sticker on the cowl. The Yamaha should be cheaper than the Mercury, it's a 115 class outboard. Same as an ETEC 130 or a Suzuki 140 or a Mercury 115 Pro-XS, they are based on 115s. That means smaller displacement and smaller gearcases.

When you step up to a 135 Merc or 135 ETEC, you're buying a 150 class outboard with big displacement, big gearcases, big jump in transom weight. Haven't seen pricing on the 130 Yamaha, but if it's the same as the 135 Mercury they're dreaming. Totally different classes of engine.

I have spent a few hours with a new Yamaha 130, they're a beautifully refined engine but they're not meant for 150-class applications. That said, the boat in this thread does not need a 150 class engine, a 115 class unit is fine. So you're looking at the Mercury 115 Pro XS (ie, 125hp), ETEC 130, Suzuki 140, Yamaha 130. They're all great engines around that 2L mark, although best value will probably be the standard Mercury 115 command thrust, Yamaha 115 or ETEC 115HO. A 560 alloy boat will fly with any of them, they all weigh similar. If it was my money, I'd get the Mercury or the ETEC, as long as there was a dealer in the area for servicing.

[Noelm]

I don't think anyone has answered what is the max HP rating of the boat in question.

[blacklab]

I don't quite see your reasoning there, just because it's 1.8L it should be cheaper than a 3L of the same HP?
absolutely I'm questioning the pricing in comparing other models.
old technology, tricked up to compete with new technology, or put simply, an old design1800cc engine the same price as a new tecnology 3ltr ?
It is simply not in the same class.
look, I like Yamaha, but the difference between the two is night and day.
The mod's performed to the original 115 engine to up rate it to a 130 cant be justified in my opinion, and the 1200cc difference speaks for itself.
But, that's my opinion only, as all of the mentioned engines are what I am currently looking at for my re power, so I'm considering or eliminating brands and models as I make my final decision.
I would prefer a larger cubic capacity engine of some 1200cc any day of the week, if weight wasn't an issue.
But everyone's different, brand loyalty, historical performance etc etc are what some people make their decisions on.
who knows, I may end up with an Etec !!!!!!

[Toygut]

Totally agree...
I was looking at the 130 yam a while back as an option but couldn't believe how much coin they wanted for it, to be the same price as the 135 Merc, is ridiculous, an 1800cc 115 tricked up to be re born as a 130, the same price as a 3 ltr !! and I like the yam engines.
I'm still 6 months or so away before I seriously start to hand over some hard earned, but I've been around and looked at everything from Suzuki, Merc, Yamaha, Etec and after a few weekends of doing that, being told by the Suzuki bloke that the 140 is more powerful than the 150 Merc, the Yami bloke that there new 130 is the most powerful in its class, the Etec bloke that says there's shits over any other model I'm over it, I'll make my final decision on the internet and talking to blokes down at the local ramp or guys I know with the specific engine range I'm looking at. Been a big turn off in all honesty, I haven't been in one showroom yet, where I've gone up and asked for some literature on an engine, it takes less that 2 minutes for the sales man to start slagging competition with no prompting from me, it really has been an eye opener hearing it all, dunno what other people have experienced, but I recon that could be well served just talking up the benefits of what there selling rather than immediately go on the slag wagon towards there competition............
anyway, that's just been my experience


I have been getting the same. You are without doubt better off talking to the blokes who own these things. I am in the market to buy a new BMT of the early 6metres. I think once you leave the ~ 1.8 - 2.1 litre mark you're possibly entering another category with the 2.7ishL 150s and up. Some of these new 150s are claiming to use as little fuel as the 115s - 140s, but as I was advised by an experienced boaty/salesman in brissy, simple physics is telling us you need more fuel to push bigger pistons to provide superior torque than the smaller blocks (maybe different when you're talking big block Hondas ect...). Even the power reports on all these different outboard websites can be questionable, as they rarely hit the weights the average fisherman would stack in his rig plus other variables. Then you get complicated with the e-tec and verado marketing, as much as I loved my old e-tec. These forums and like you said, the blokes at the ramp, are the only 'real' sources of data. With outboards now being around so long and that good across the board, I hope you and me both get it sorted before we buy! Goodluck

[blacklab]

Sorry to hi jack your thread hobby !
Glad to see someone else has the same dilemma Toygut !
It sure is a mine field when its time to buy a new outboard for sure.
I'm lucky in the sense that I could be anywhere up to 12 months away from having to pull the trigger, but could do it as soon a couple of months.
I've had my share of brands over the journey, but the funny thing is, what ever motor you have, you defend it to the hilt ! quite ironic.
I've had some absolute shite models, but, you do your best with it, argue with anyone that comments that there shite, when you know they damn well are LOL
I'm in that "cusp" of the 115 range to the 150, I don't really want to slap a 150 on, could do, but I think it would be a waste and give me weight issues.
At the minute, the CT merc 115 is probably top of the list, with its 2.1 ltr cc engine, I've considered the zuk 140, but in all honesty, While their reliability is un questionable, every one I know with them are unhappy with top end performance, my boats a bit smaller so it may well be a better fit with mine. The yam, well, they make a great motor, but its still only an 1800cc engine, smaller in cubic capacity to both the suk and the merc.. Then I look at end use of the boat, and I will be doing a bit of shelf work out of Portland and Eden, so I don't want anything that cant get me home quickly when needed.
big dilemma's huh.....
I recon marine centres should let us poor fisho's bolt a few different engines on, test them out for a day, then make our mind up from there ! haha
Fat chance I'm picking !
An Etec is not out of the question for me, but haven't really researched them to much yet.
With all the extras going into my boat with the fibre glass work, I may well end up needing the power of a 150 block yet !
But its a fair lump of an investment which ever way you look at it and probably my last, so, I'll just continue to peruse the info and pull the trigger when I'm satisfied. good luck with your choice.

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[NomadNoosa]

My Quintrex 510 gets to 80kph so 40 and a bit knots with a 115 Mercury on the back. What I really like about it that you can hardly here it at idle or trolling.

[getadog]

I'm running the current yammie 115 on my 5.2 plate cuddly cab. Though shorter than your hull, mine with full fuel at 180lt ( alway full but don't need it) plus gear, eskies, ice and 2 up may weigh the same or more than your Quintrex, is defiantly not under powered. If set up correctly with correct prop you will find the 115 yam more than enough power. This outboard allows me to cruise offshore at 40-45 Kim's/h in most conditions, keeping up with bigger more powerful glass boats. My mates boat similar to mine with the new merc 115 will go faster than mine, however uses more fuel only because he runs wide open all the time chasing the top end speed. I don't need a broken back and at worst get 2-2.5klms/lt. on big runs. Which ever you get spend time to prop and and set it up correctly.