Repowering my tinny - f40 yammy vs bf40a Honda

[Sean32]

Hey guys, first time poster here!

As the title states I'm looking at repowering my tinny, it's a 390 tiller steer makocraft estuary tracker open and I've currently got a bf40 carby model on it at the moment. My current engine goes like a rat up a drain pipe and top speed is 60km/h so I'm looking at staying in around the same cc range, Honda has 808cc block and yammy is 747cc both coming in at under 7k and 98kgs. I looked at the Suzuki but for the extra 2 grand I don't know if it's worth the extra coin plus it's a much bigger engine at 950cc and it's abit heavier aswell but it is still in the race and might go with it depending on people's opinions as I absolutely love the suzuki's tiller arm.

Holeshot is probably the most important part to me not so much top end and I'm concerned with the yammys performance down low. If anyone can share their experiences with any of these 3 engines it would be greatly appreciated, what we're the pros, cons and what was your top end with your setup and how was the hole shot.

Cheers, Sean.

[Shawn 66]

Hey guys, first time poster here!

As the title states I'm looking at repowering my tinny, it's a 390 tiller steer makocraft estuary tracker open and I've currently got a bf40 carby model on it at the moment. My current engine goes like a rat up a drain pipe and top speed is 60km/h so I'm looking at staying in around the same cc range, Honda has 808cc block and yammy is 747cc both coming in at under 7k and 98kgs. I looked at the Suzuki but for the extra 2 grand I don't know if it's worth the extra coin plus it's a much bigger engine at 950cc and it's abit heavier aswell but it is still in the race and might go with it depending on people's opinions as I absolutely love the suzuki's tiller arm.

Holeshot is probably the most important part to me not so much top end and I'm concerned with the yammys performance down low. If anyone can share their experiences with any of these 3 engines it would be greatly appreciated, what we're the pros, cons and what was your top end with your setup and how was the hole shot.

Cheers, Sean.
Morning Mate
I have a 40 4stroke yammy on my 4.2 plate. Done about 1150 hours trouble free hours.Speed at WOT is about 28 knots.
Hole shot is very respectable.
Shawn

[Chimo]

Hi Sean

Or you could really open this comparison up and look at https://www.tradingpost.com.au/Boats-and-Marine/Power-Boats-/Evinrude-Etec-40hp-Direct-Injection-Outboard/Braeside/VIC/AdNumber=D2542102497594

Cheers
Chimo

[Goodoo haven]

Gday mate,
I had a 40hp suzuki on my 4.2 stessco bass tracker ( v nose ) and it was brilliant. Top speed was 53 klph, and the hole shot was absolutely brilliant.

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[Noelm]

Get the Honda, easy decision, I went for a Yamaha and had the choice of a Honda also, a good mate got the exact same outfit but went Honda, and he leaves me for dead when it comes to getting on the plane and carrying extra load, top speed is pretty close to the same, Honda also had a 7 year warranty at the time, and I think they still do!

[Sean32]

Shawn66, thanks for getting back to me, how is your boat when you load it up full of people and gear, I've had yammies in the past and they've been unreal but the only thing I was concerned about was holeshot with a full boat.

Chimo, thanks mate but for the size of my boat and the power to wright ratio it has, the 4 strokes win hands down for me that's why I've not considered the etecs, mainly cause on your own it's actually scary haha!

Goodoo, yeah all I've heard about the suzukis is good things! timing chain, reduction gears, awesome tiller arm, biggest cc of the 40's just gotta justify the price

Noelm, thanks heaps mate that helps out a lot, my current motor has insane amounts of torque and it barely struggles with holeshot when loaded up, loses some top end but not a great deal. My main concern with the Yamaha was exactly that, being the smallest cc of the 40's was holeshot

[PixieAU]

Have a look here - they do a few comparisons in this range: https://www.youtube.com/user/caloundramarine/videos

[Chimo]

I understand you concern and fear. Maybe really go outside the box and fit a 30 HP http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/evinrude-e-tec-re-power

[Sean32]

Gonna stick with the 4strokes thanks guys, if anyone else has any input it would be greatly appreciated

[Skusto]

Don't know what your chasing?

You have a fear about the Yamaha 40hp being the smallest. Yes it is and is known to be sluggish.

The Suzuki is the biggest and thus far has a good hole shot.

The honda is another that has been regarded well for its bracket.

So if it was me would just choose either Suzuki or Honda.


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[Sean32]

Yeah I was originally thinking repowering with the Honda, just wanted to know what others opinions were with the Suzuki and if it was worth the extra coin and if the Yamaha would keep up with the others in term of performance especially hole shot with a loaded boat because I do tow a tube from time to time hence the need for hole shot

[Skusto]

No the Yamaha will not, the Suzuki runs up to 60hp we're as the Yamaha is maxed out at 40hp.

Suzuki would be worth the extra coin or go the Honda as stated 7 year warranty.


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[Sean32]

Is the Honda trim and tilt button still on the tiller arm back near the gear lever or have they re designed it and moved it up on the throttle using your thumb?

[up the creek]

definately agree with a few of the boys here, honda or suzuki, as noelm says honda has 7 year waranty but the suzukis go on a lot about harder acceleration, its true for me atm im looking at a 15hp suzuki vs yammie etc and in this hp range suzuki focus on a lot of there marketing on better acceleration, youd have to see if thats clear in the engine your looking at but i think if holeshot and fast acceleration is what u want then the suzuki should be built for that, saying that the honda is no doubt a great motor and the 7 year waranty.. other then that it will come down to as we all say what specs suit you and your boat best, dealer availability for service etc.. good luck bro let us know what you get,,, oo and btw im getting the dt15 suzuki for the same porpose i want bottom and mid range torque for weight more then top end.. thats was what i found out researching, see what u can read up on..

[Skusto]

On the 60 Honda I had it was back at the thumb, which was a 2017 model. But I actually prefer it at the front of the tiller arm like most models.


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[Skusto]

If you are in Brisbane I have a 40hp Suzuki 2016 model that I would probably sell if you were interested just doesn't get used only reason for selling it. As might just put a 30hp Yamaha back on it.


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[Sean32]

Yeah I think my biggest concern is how much the extra power of the Suzuki is gonna change the attitude of the boat plus that bit of extra weight too, how many hours are on the Suzuki you're selling and how much are you after for it?I think I've definitely narrowed it down to the Honda and the suzi, Honda comes in at just under 7k and the Suzuki is 8.5k... decisions

[up the creek]

well if the power is your main last decisive factor, then how much weight you will carry is very important.. if your gonna load it up now and then with camp gear water fuel tanks etc then the suzuki may be the 1 for you.. if you want the less weight and price and dont need extra torque then maybe the honda, and there all 40hp so you may not notice but let me know how you go..


Yeah I think my biggest concern is how much the extra power of the Suzuki is gonna change the attitude of the boat plus that bit of extra weight too, how many hours are on the Suzuki you're selling and how much are you after for it?I think I've definitely narrowed it down to the Honda and the suzi, Honda comes in at just under 7k and the Suzuki is 8.5k... decisions

[Spaniard_King]

Honda is releasing is new 40/50 at the Melbourne boat show so they are running out their current stock, you will never buy a Honda 40 cheaper than now!!!

Don't expect the new model to be competitive with other brands when it comes out as it will be as usual a market leader.

[Noelm]

If the Suzuki is that much dearer than the Honda, I wouldn't even consider it, 7 year warranty, cheaper, great power, no thinking needed on that one, Honda! just one thing, I have mentioned this before and got roasted for it, but, the Yamaha has probably the worst tiller setup you could imagine, it would be OK if you are seated well in front, but, if you have a standard cross seat like most tinies, the centre mounted tiller is a pain to use because there is no real offset to sit to one side.

[up the creek]

i agree with noelm again and think the honda may be the go, considering the price difference and as spaniard says and if it is so and honda is reducing a run out model, then the honda is sounding better and the honda will have plenty of stick and not gonna be much weaker then the suzy.. so if price and weight are your main concerns and with the 7 year waranty, im thinking the hondas looking good bro, and they are a good donk...

[Sean32]

I think you guys may have just made my mind up! I was wondering why the Honda price was so low compared to the rest! Does anyone know what changes Honda are making to the new one that's yet to be released?

[up the creek]

we can suggest bro but its up to you, its your cash and motor you are shelling out good cash for i cant answer what changes honda will make but theres a new model every so often and the current engines are all that good these days i cant see any changes making it magically better and if you can get one cheap on run out im sure being a good brand like honda it will go hard its all up to what you want to spend bro let us know what u get and update us after youve had its first test run and tell us if it is all good..


I think you guys may have just made my mind up! I was wondering why the Honda price was so low compared to the rest! Does anyone know what changes Honda are making to the new one that's yet to be released?

[bluefin59]

I think you guys may have just made my mind up! I was wondering why the Honda price was so low compared to the rest! Does anyone know what changes Honda are making to the new one that's yet to be released?

https://www.ssmarine.com.au/ Give this guy a call I am sure he will explain all and he's a member here on this site ,I am sure he will give you a great deal . Matt

[STUIE63]

if the trim button is your only concern just get a remote button fitted to the gunnel somewhere near where your right hand sits

[Sean32]

Hey guys, update on the post. Got a 40hp Suzuki fitted on the weekend, got a really good price through a good mate that works at Australian Marine Centre in brissy, couldn't turn it down. Taking it for its first run this Sunday! Looks awesome on the back of the tinny can't wait to get it on the water.
just a quick question for you guys, when re powering do you need to update the boat info with TMR because you've changed the engine?

Cheers guys

[StevenM]

Honda is releasing is new 40/50 at the Melbourne boat show so they are running out their current stock, you will never buy a Honda 40 cheaper than now!!!

Don't expect the new model to be competitive with other brands when it comes out as it will be as usual a market leader.

any news on the new 40 /50 Gary?

[Sean32]

To my knowledge the Honda is the same as the previous model just with a new tiller arm that'll be the same as the one on the 60 and the normal retail is around the 8k

[Spaniard_King]

any news on the new 40 /50 Gary?
Hi Steven, The 40/50 has a new fresh water flushing port, new cowling design and soon to be released new tiler handle