4 strokes @200HP

[chuss]

Just wondering what peoples real life experiences are regarding the current line of 4 strokes. Ive ordered a new tub with a Honda 200, but the seed of doubt was watered and sprung up.
Yamahas new inline 4 cylinder has got my attention. 2.8L block and 50kgs lighter on the transom.
Or is the Hondas 3.4l V6 going to make me happier although its a fatso?
I can't get good local support on the Suzukis or Mercs.

Is 50kg a huge weight penalty on a 6.7m platey?
Is Hondas 7 year warranty worth it over Yamahas 4 year?
Price is similar..

[ozynorts]

The Honda isn't going to work as hard to do the same work and therefore should have more power and better fuel burn. Ain't no replacement for displacement.

[Dan5]

The 225hp Yamaha is proberbly a better comparison in this range..........very popular choice here

[scottar]

Difficult question to answer unless you have spent time in the particular hull. Does it have tabs as standard or have you spec'ed them as an option? Will the extra weight put the scuppers close enough to the water that they may allow ingress ( a personal pet hate of mine) and if so how well do they seal ? Are you against fitting something like a permatrim if you are not happy with the slow speed performance (this is where the extra weight will most likely make it's presence felt the most) and will such an addition still allow the boat to be stored as required ? Which dealer are you happiest to deal with locally ? - just a few things you need to think about.

The Barcrusher is not a new hull design and there would be plenty around with older generation V6 200's that would be closer to the Honda's weight at a guess. Talk to your dealer/builder about the possible choices - they should know their boats better than anyone - see what they recommend (bearing in mind there may be a commercial reason for their recommendation). Ask if their are any owners you can contact with older boats with 200 V6 motors to see if they are happy or if they would change to the lighter engine if they had the option.

[Rodpal]

would also consider the Suzuki 200 - V6

sort of wish I would have put the 200 Zuk on the back from new but still stoked with the 175 performance

cheers rod

[chuss]

Yes, all difficult to answer. Im more inclined to go the weight saving yammie, but the warranty & v6 keeps screaming at me. But both should be trouble free.
The boat is rated 150-200hp. Ive seen some specs on the 200 yammie on the same hull and it'll do 70km/h with no probs.
So performance is no problem with either motor, its really this extra person worth of weight hanging on the transom.
I can only have a yammie or honda. No suzi or merc dealers within coowee of me.

[chuss]

There are no scuppers on the hull. Its a bar crusher 670c

[Rodpal]

Yes, all difficult to answer. Im more inclined to go the weight saving yammie, but the warranty & v6 keeps screaming at me. But both should be trouble free.
The boat is rated 150-200hp. Ive seen some specs on the 200 yammie on the same hull and it'll do 70km/h with no probs.
So performance is no problem with either motor, its really this extra person worth of weight hanging on the transom.
I can only have a yammie or honda. No suzi or merc dealers within coowee of me.

I would be leaning towards Yamaha over a Honda based on weight and performance specs IMHO

I would still pick a Suzuki over a Yamaha however that's just me - both excellent motors as the war rages but just comes back to personal preferences and serviceability as you have rightly added to the mix

cheers rod

[scottar]

There are no scuppers on the hull. Its a bar crusher 670c

Oops, my bad. Don't get these until the next model up.

[stang69]

V6 all the way. Yamaha and Honda are both good motors, but the 4 cylinder 200 Yamaha is pretty weak. Honda 200hp is a sweet motor.

[Spaniard_King]

You will be more than happy with the 200 Honda, just don't over prop it! The V6 will have superior mid range torque in the rpm range you are going to be using for the majority of the time you are on the water.

Make no mistake you will not be disappointed in your choice.

Also Hondas warranty is as good on the first day as the last, go read some of the other manufacturers warranty restrictions and compare::)

[Nick H]

I've got the same size boat but a lot heaver hull than the bar crusher, I've got a 225 yammi on it and it moves. When the boat is loaded that's when I'm glad I've got the displacement, it just idles along. The 4 cylinder would be fine on a BC and I personally think the fuel efficiency would be miles better than the yamaha I have. I think the Hondas have better fuel economy than the yamaha. That said go as big as you can cause realistically the amount of fuel your saving for how often it's used is bugger all in the scheme of things, unless you have the time to fish for half the week!

[Noelm]

Keep the Honda, no two ways about it, been plenty of unwanted "features" on the big Yamahas to make the decision easy.

[beerhunter]

Well honda do make an awesome engine thats why i bought one [emoji1]

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[Dogtoooth]

I would lean towards Honda, if weight is not a issue.


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[conco46]

I wouldn't worry about 50kgs just dont invite the mrs and then ur 50-60kgs lighter anyway haha

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[Dogtoooth]

Yamaha have plasma fused coating on their cylinder walls on your high HP range. Outboards aren't like the old toasters anymore. The cost of reboring these blocks very expensive sending the block away. Cheaper buying a whole new block.

[Nick H]

The plasma fused coating it meant to be 60% stronger than a steel lined bore, that said there new technology and time will tell once the hours starts getting chewed. I'm backing by the time you need to re-hone the bore, which is not cost effective and not even sure if there are the facilities to do so in AUS. Your engine will need replacing anyway.

[Mark Andrews]

I have always owned Yamaha but the Suzuki lean burner engines are looking really good.
The df200a 4 potter is a modified version of the df175 better heads pistons etc.
Unlike the Yamaha 200 which is just retuned the zuki df200a gets my nod and probably best bang for buck
power and economy.

[scottar]

I wouldn't worry about 50kgs just dont invite the mrs and then ur 50-60kgs lighter anyway haha

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You can't do that...........You might need that 50-60kgs parked up on the nose as a counterbalance when it gets rough.:P

[Spaniard_King]

I have always owned Yamaha but the Suzuki lean burner engines are looking really good.
The df200a 4 potter is a modified version of the df175 better heads pistons etc.
Unlike the Yamaha 200 which is just retuned the zuki df200a gets my nod and probably best bang for buck
power and economy.

What do you mean the Yamaha 200 is just retuned??

[snatchy]

Unlike the Yamaha 200 which is just retuned

I wouldn't class 2mm bigger bore and hence an extra 115cc as "just retuned" over the f150

[uripper]

Chuss
Have you made a decision??
Mal

[chuss]

Going with the Honda.
Honda worked out $3600 cheaper with the current rebates, rigging, prop and dealer discount. Plus the service centre for it is 5km from my house.
I figured once the boat is loaded and the crap swell we get off the coast here in SA where it's always blowing 15-20knots in the arvo, the 6 cylinder will be revving less to keep speed. $3600 buys a lot of extra fuel with the weight penalty

[chuss]

Thought I'd post an update.
The Honda has now done 16 hours and it's a beautiful machine!
I can't really tell about weight in the rear as the boat does fine at rest and no matter what speed, boat is quite sensitive to trim (but trim tabs are there).
Haven't got any fuel figures yet, but I'm about to fit an NMEA2000 cable to the outboard and see what the go is.
In terms of speed, I'm doing about 50km/h at 3500rpm. 5000 rpm I'm getting close to 80km/h! just need a prop change and I should do a bit more.

[odes20]

I wouldn't worry about 50kgs just dont invite the mrs and then ur 50-60kgs lighter anyway haha

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a 50 - 60 kilo mrs hey? Ooh Rare? Dont know😎😎

[beerhunter]

I have a 60kg max limit on any i stumble across [emoji2]