Thru Hull transducer for Seafarer Victory

[Oceanic Dave]

Hi,

Just wondering what degrees the thru transducer needs to be to fit in the standard thru hull spot on the starboard side?

I was looking at the Garmin ones and they had a range to choose from and I am not sure which one it is. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[Chimo]

Probably depends on the depth of water you plan to fish in.

Or ask one of the guys who used to work for Lindsay what they used to fit. eg Boatboy50 who appears to back from his circumnavigation.

I have the seafarer fitted one in my Vagabond that feeds the Seafarer fitted Lowrance sounder / GPS.

Cheers
Chimo

[Oceanic Dave]

Yea, mine currently has the Lowrance one too. But I haven't removed it yet to see if there is a model number on it.

[Marchy001]

I pulled mine out recently (seafarer vermont 2002) it was a wide angle lowrance transducer mounted in one of the planing strakes. It left a 48mm hole once removed and I fitted a P319 in it's place with zero tilt. Had to make the hole bigger (51mm) but that was pretty easy. It reads well at most speeds but gets a little messy at 20 knots plus if it's a little choppy.

Removal was done by a large screw driver and 2lb sledge.... Basically chipped away at the transducer and removed the bits until it started to move. Sing out if you want anymore info.

Cheers

Marchy.

[Marchy001]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/21/f0c86cf50e3829a15bfdaf1074e62bf1.jpg

[Chimo]

If your Lowrance is working you should be able to check the specs on the transducer via the menu I would have thought.

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[Spaniard_King]

Airmar P79 transducer

[Chimo]

Dave

This is one of the nicest instals I've seen. What do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcBdkjCtifA

[scottar]

If it is the standard one they install in a box on the starboard side in the strake it will generally be a 600 watt zero tilt bronze if it is airmar or one of the older lowrance units that sits flush with the hull. Easiest way I have found to remove them is to get a fillet knife you don't want any more with a good solid handle and grind a flat chisel point onto it. Remove the internal cover and the retaining nut from the transducer if it is an airmar and then slowly work your way around the transducer with the knife and a hammer to cut the sika. Then do the same under the hull where you can. You need to be careful or you can do damage to the gelcoat when under the hull or worse still yourself - just don't rush - they do not typically come out easy. Once you have cut as much of the sealant as possible, give it some gentle persuasion from the inside - once again go easy though as sika will happily take parts of your boat with it if you haven't removed enough. If it is the older lowrance type, Marchy is right on the money - physical destruction of the transducer is the only way. You may be able to put the centre bit for a hole saw through the face of the transducer and take it out with the hole saw if the hole needs to be larger - just drill the hole through without the saw fitted first in case it wants to walk.

[Oceanic Dave]

Hi Guys, thanks for all the help so far. I will just rewind a little first.

I was looking at the Garmin sounders as I was thinking of getting the Garmin with Downview and Side view built in. Having a look at their thru hull sounder options, I don't think I will have that functionality with the typical sounder thru hull you get on the Seafarers. Looks like the ons with Side View and down view have a different shape all together and they don't recommend to mount it on the side.

I want to use the same hole, I am happy to just have sounder and GPS. Don't really need down view and side view. Mine looks like a plastic thru hull transducer.

https://buy.garmin.com/en-AU/AU/shop-by-accesories/thru-hull-mount-transducers/plastic-thru-hull-mount-transducer-with-depth-temperature-12-tilt-airmar-p19/prod88669_010-10218-21.html

https://buy.garmin.com/en-AU/AU/shop-by-accesories/thru-hull-mount-transducers/plastic-thru-hull-mount-transducer-with-depth-temperature-20-tilt-airmar-p19/prod88670_010-10218-22.html



When I was looking at the Garmin thru hull options, they have a range of 12 degrees, 20 degrees tilt. I would like to know what Tilt I need that will suit the seafarer standard starboard box.

The other information you guys gave me on removing, thank you, as that might be the next step :)



Another question:
I have an old Lowrance LCX 25c on my boat. The screen is damaged. I have lines all over it, but I still get GPS and sounder readings. Do you think there is a loose connection somewhere or I just need to replace the screen?
The plugs at the back of the unit seem to the the same ones that are still used today. Is it just a matter of replacing the unit with a GEN 3 and keep using the same transducer? Will that work? Or do I have to change the hole thing?

THanks!

[Chimo]

Dave

Probably 20 degree but just check the old Seafarer hull specs.( see below, 20 is the go) What year is your Vic?
Pull the cable off the back of the LCX25c and count the pins on the end of the transducer cable and see if its 8 or 10

You can cut the plug off and rewire with an end with the correct no of pins to suit whatever you get but..........

I needed an 8 for my old Furuno colour-video sounder replacement triducer and they no longer sell them here so I got one from a really helpful outlet in Ca. who knows their stuff.

There is a lot glass to get through in an old Seafarer hull so one suspects the unit wont perform as well compared to the old thru hull one you have.

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PS Length (overall): 6.45m
Beam: 2.4m
Deadrise: 21°
Weight: 1050kg

[Marchy001]

Depends on the age of the hull too. Mine is an 02 and the factory installed transducer had a 2pin connector on it and a coax cable which is a bit old for any current sounders.

Yes the hull is 21 deg however the mounting surface of my original through hull was on the flat of a planing strake.
The 0deg P319 is what I went with and it has worked fine up to 100m deep so far.

Couple of pictures of the new one installed sorry about pic quality bit dark for decent photos.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/23/84af88fb703d8393a34aa009b205a99c.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/23/6fe142daf717f64d6d918360114d341e.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/23/b86f56818c4dce016950a4d63d609464.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/23/198e75e28b68f9eaed111616fc81f50f.jpg

[scottar]

The two pin transducer that Marchy had was the old 192KHz ones that were actually molded into the hull and sat more or less flush with the bottom of the hull. I don't believe this series of transducer was ever produced in 200/50 KHz which is what the LCX25 uses. At that time Lowrance had switched to Airmar transducers for all but transom mounts. If it is in the strake, neither of those transducers are the one you want. You will require a P319 if you want plastic or a B117 if you want Bronze. There is also the possibility as Chimo suggested that the transducer may be able to have the plug changed to suit a new unit. You can use your existing transducer on a new Lowrance Unit but the GPS antenna is not the right one - it isn't required as the new units have inbuilt antennas though so no issue apart from a few holes to fill if you remove it.

If the transducer is not in the strake but between the strakes, you will want the 20 degree variant but I have never seen a Victory factory fitted with one - I don't even think they were available at the time Seafarer was sold to THG so I don't think it will be one of these.

[Chimo]

Scottar

Did Seafarer only fit the thru hull transducers to the Vags as I am fairly sure my Lowrance Globalmap has one of the 20 degree bronze units? I willhave to have a look where exactly in the hull it is when it stops raining.

[tenzing]

Scottar

Did Seafarer only fit the thru hull transducers to the Vags as I am fairly sure my Lowrance Globalmap has one of the 20 degree bronze units? I willhave to have a look where exactly in the hull it is when it stops raining.
Sorry guys, I have a factory fitted one in my 05 Vic.
Cheers
Brendan

[tenzing]

By the way it is between strakes so I guess must be angled at more or less 20 degrees

[Chimo]

No need to apologize Brendan!

[scottar]

Not just the Vagabond Chimo, Victory as well and quite possibly others but I have only worked on Vagabond and Victory. Interesting that yours is between the strakes as an 05 model Brendan as my 06 has the box constructed over the starboard strake. Is it a 600 watt B60-20 or do you have the 1 kilowatt? It does seem odd as I didn't think tilted element transducers were around that far back but I couldn't be 100% sure.

[tenzing]

It seems I really do need to apologise!
My memory is obviously not what it once was. The thru hull sits right in the middle of the starboard planing strake . So must be 0 degrees. it is the 600w variety.
Cheers
Brendan

[tenzing]

Can I redeem myself at all if I add that I replaced my old oil filler cap on the transom with a saltwater wash port on the weekend,(The coiled hose and fittings fit very neatly into the burley tube for transport) and installed an L an R boatlatch ( which works a treat)

[scottar]

My memory is obviously not what it once was.

I resemble that;D - that's about the only thing I am 100% sure about these days. Oh well - adventure before dementure, right?

[Oceanic Dave]

Interesting. I will take some photos of my setup guys and post.

[stue2]

Has anyone got a pic of there placement from above and below?
Id like to put a 1kw in but not sure where it should go or which one to use.
I have a furuno 587 at the moment.
Cheers

[Chimo]

The wool job is OK then?
One of these if you want to drill a hole http://www.amazon.com/Furuno-526TID-HDD-Broadband-Transducer-Temperature/dp/B0013FNRIS/ref=pd_bxgy_422_text_y/175-7728160-4422241

[stue2]

Yes mate. Bit of an improvement.
Been fishing quite a bit deeper lately.
And yep, deep water is a fair trip from the cape.
Like someone in another post said.
Adventure before dementia

[stue2]

Its big. Where would it fit.
Have heard that one of the chirp ducers work well with 587.
Is this right?

[outta line]

Has anyone got a pic of there placement from above and below?
Id like to put a 1kw in but not sure where it should go or which one to use.
I have a furuno 587 at the moment.
Cheers

a 1kw through hull is a tight fit in the bilge area to get the right placement you have to cut some of that brace out ... i stayed with my 600w through hull in the end as i didnt want to chop that brace apart

[scottar]

If you want to go 1 Kw, it will have to be the 20 degree tilted element one installed in the bilge. There is not enough room in the factory position. They do apparently (never installed one myself but have been told it does) fit. It requires the removal of one of the glassed in timber pads that the factory installed for screwing down bilge pumps etc to give a flat area and even then is very tight. I think it requires the relocation of the factory deckwash pick up if fitted.

[stue2]

Sounds like a trandom mount then

[stue2]

Sorry for hijacking the thread

[Ocean_Spirit]

Hi Guys,

I'll weigh in on this. When I was with Seafarer, we worked extensively with Furuno in 2004/05 to test a variety of transducers. For the majority of applications, the thru-hull mounted Airmar P319 was a good fit (and generally paired at the time with the 1650/1850 (later 7000) MFD's). I personally had both an 1850 and 7000 in my boat and found it a difficult MFD to use (and read). So now using a Lowrance LCX-110C and will upgrade to the new HDS-12 (Gen III) in the not too distant future.

In configuring my boat, I had the standard thru-hull box fitted originally, but removed the 600Kw and ended up fitting an in-hull wet box on the corresponding side in the transom. We did this in the factory. Inside that is a 1Kw transducer. It is a wet box so the transducer is set in glycerine. The Navico guys assisted with the gear and mounting, and the thing reads at every speed, works perfectly).

Scotty - I saw this on the Trymax page actually. They recently refitted electronics to a Victory and used a tilted element transducer in the bilge. https://www.facebook.com/147952291919513/photos/pb.147952291919513.-2207520000.1435353442./336673463047394/?type=3&theater

I have toyed with the idea of a stand-alone FURUNO 587 sounder on the dash, and in which case, I would mount a thru-hull 319. Yes, it sits in nicely on the inside of that strake.

Example of the old standard dash arrangement:

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109660&stc=1

[Ocean_Spirit]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109662&stc=1

I was going through my library of Seafarer factory photos to find all the transducer installations and came across this one - bring back the good old days! All genuine BOTY winners (back when advertising didn't determine who won the gong - clearly, because Seafarer never had to do any!)

[scottar]

That is the 1kw tilted element I was referring to Andrew. I have the 7000F from the factory and have just added a 620 as I wanted it tucked right in under the screen to keep it dry. The 587 would have been nice but with the 627 on special at the minute I couldn't justify twice the price given that with the 600w transducer on the 7000F has easily handled all I have required it to. I have used the transducer off the 7000 and turned the sounder off in it. The principal reason for the upgrade was, as you posted, the difficulty in reading/seeing the picture from the back of the boat while drifting.

[tenzing]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109662&stc=1

I was going through my library of Seafarer factory photos to find all the transducer installations and came across this one - bring back the good old days! All genuine BOTY winners (back when advertising didn't determine who won the gong - clearly, because Seafarer never had to do any!)
Love the photo O S .Thanks for sharing
I note the red poly rollers on the trailers, and are they hubcaps I see???
Cheers
Brendan

[Chimo]

OS

Thanks for posting the pic.

Do you have any more from around the same time?

Maybe you could post them too?

Thanks again

Cheers
Chimo

[Ocean_Spirit]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109669&stc=1


A 6.8 Voyager in construction above. Given the amount of moulds that went putting this boat together, and precision of construction therefore required, it was probably the most complex trailer boat to build in Australia. A dying art unfortunately.

I don't mean to hijack the thread - I have thousands of photos dating back to when it all began in 1957 from the Fry family collection. That's a project for a book or website...

[Ocean_Spirit]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109670&stc=1

Chimo, here's one you'll appreciate. Vagabond #1 with the legend next to it. A very successful and profitable model.

[tenzing]

mate keep them coming( including the last one if you can)
Cheers
Brendan

[Chimo]

OS

Great, pic didn't appear to take though/
My Vag must have gone thru about mid year of your photo group I think with Boatboy 50 doing some of the checks

Cheers
Chimo

PS Maybe a Seafarer history thread would be fairer to the transducer thread?

[outta line]

Scotty - I saw this on the Trymax page actually. They recently refitted electronics to a Victory and used a tilted element transducer in the bilge. https://www.facebook.com/147952291919513/photos/pb.147952291919513.-2207520000.1435353442./336673463047394/?type=3&theater


think that is Dom's boat i know he has a 1kw in the bilge his username on here is (blue rough)

[outta line]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109673&stc=1http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109672&stc=1Don't know if any of you guys are in the seafarer trailer boats group on face book all ready
here is a few pics of a B164. 50/200 from that page

[Chimo]

Stue2

http://aax-us-pdx.amazon-adsystem.com/x/c/QQjLVdXApBCWsLODwB8O_TkAAAFOOLL60gYAAAPo7v390g/http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OTLFHE/ref=dra_a_rv_mr_hn_it_P3113_100?tag=dradisplay-20&ascsubtag=ef1fb9df2e197951b67066448335d12c_S

[Oceanic Dave]

Hi guys,

so i took some photos of the transducer. Looks like it has:
AIRMAR ABYC H-27 on it.

would anyone know what tilt that is?

Just want it to replace it with a new one and a Gen3.

Thanks

[scottar]

P319 if you want plastic or a B117 if you want Bronze. Zero degree tilt - ie it is not mounted at an angle to the waterline so no tilt required.

[Oceanic Dave]

Awesome, thank you!