Long range trailer boat

[koastal]

Hi all First post here.

I am hoping for some advice, to help choose a trailer boat ( secondhand) that is capable of making its way in safety and comfort to Cato reef and back (200 n/m). Departure from Hervey Bay.

Criteria until advised otherwise is

20 kn cruise
40 lt per hr cruise - prefer less
3 people
Large fuel capacity (of course) + bladders
28 ft max
twin motors

I have a choice myself but I am curious what others would advise.

[rtp1984]

That's a big run in a trailer boat mate.
i will be watching this thread with interest.

Cheers Rob.

[Cods Whallup]

How much are you looking at spending? There were a couple of boats on here that did those kind of kms a couple of weeks back, both have 4 stroke outboards, one is a 7m plus plate, the other 7m plus fiberglass cat! 200n/m equals 360 km, the cat did approx 500 km! Big trip but possible in right conditions and fuel load/burn!

[swallin]

Up here (Cooktown) I fish with a mate with an 8ish metre plate aluminium hull of no known brand. Mate bought it second hand from a fella down Harvey way. It could have been custom built or home built. It lives on a triple axle trailer and is therefor technically a trailer boat. Fully loaded it would end up way over 4T so not a legal trailerboat if you know what I mean!


-Boat runs a Volvo 4ADP engine and Duoprop sterndrive. It has two 300L fuel tanks which gives it long legs. 150L of water.
-Front double bunk and large cabin layout. Has a small built in fridge, but on long range trips we carry and extra engel or two.
-Solar panels on roof and three house batteries keeps the beer cold.
-Importantly a 6 person liferaft with hydro release also lives on the roof of the cabin.
-Cruise is 18-19kn loaded, but we would normally tow a 5m glass dory which knocks cruise down to 17kn.
-Burns about 1.5 - 2.0 L/nm at cruise.

Now despite only a single screw we have done many long range trips 100-150nm up the coast and also one trip out to Osprey/ Shark Reef 110nm out in the blue.
That trip dod co-incide with knowing that another 50ft Cooktown boat would be heading out and back at same time so a bit of safety there but in the week at Osprey we would have seen 5-7 dive boats so even out in the blue you are not necessarily alone!!!

I would say froma trip out to Cato, definitely invest in a certified liferaft.
You will need a satphone for comms safety.

Be sure of your vessel and your vessels fuel burn. Test it is some horrible strong wind warning rubbish before heading off.
We have been caught in nasty summer storms with green going over the cabin flooding the dancefloor, marlin door busting open, dory busting its tow line kinda of weather and not once felt unsafe in the bluefire, it just keeps it head high and chugs. I cant emphasize enought knowing you boat knowing how to prime the fuel system, knowing how to change the impellor, knowing the electronics etc etc

Most of all have a blast

s

[rtp1984]

How much are you looking at spending? There were a couple of boats on here that did those kind of kms a couple of weeks back, both have 4 stroke outboards, one is a 7m plus plate, the other 7m plus fiberglass cat! 200n/m equals 360 km, the cat did approx 500 km! Big trip but possible in right conditions and fuel load/burn!

Cato is 200nm each way.

[rtp1984]

This is a touch over 28ft, but should give you the range with fuel.

http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-3098772/2012-ORIGIN-Axis-10000

[Cods Whallup]

Cato is 200nm each way.

Lol, 720kms is a little different!!

[koastal]

How much are you looking at spending? There were a couple of boats on here that did those kind of kms a couple of weeks back, both have 4 stroke outboards, one is a 7m plus plate, the other 7m plus fiberglass cat! 200n/m equals 360 km, the cat did approx 500 km! Big trip but possible in right conditions and fuel load/burn!



Hoping to keep the investment sub $100k in raft / sat phone etc

[koastal]

U


Be sure of your vessel and your vessels fuel burn. Test it is some horrible strong wind warning rubbish before heading off.
We have been caught in nasty summer storms with green going over the cabin flooding the dancefloor, marlin door busting open, dory busting its tow line kinda of weather and not once felt unsafe in the bluefire, it just keeps it head high and chugs. I cant emphasize enought knowing you boat knowing how to prime the fuel system, knowing how to change the impellor, knowing the electronics etc etc

Most of all have a blast

s


Great advice Thanks !

[Horse]

That's a long run in an outboard powered vessel. I would be looking at a diesel inboard for that sort of trip and $100K won't get you too far in those rigs. Bladders and outboards might work but you will be pushing the equation

[No Tiller]

Have a look at http://www.chamberlinmarine.com.au/images/hybridbrochure.pdf I would like to hear from anyone who has built one.

[koastal]

Have a look at http://www.chamberlinmarine.com.au/images/hybridbrochure.pdf I would like to hear from anyone who has built one.

Thats an interesting boat. No problems with economy thats for sure.

I have had a displacement catamaran before. Great boat excepting inclined to plunge due to such fine hull, if sub 20 knots

[FisHard]

I'm all for adventure, but I reckon Cato in a trailer boat is a bit crazy! Personally I I would be looking to arrange 2 or 3 other like minded trailer boat owners, then charter a mothership for safety and convenience.
Keep us in the loop of how it all pans out!

[koastal]

Yes sounds a bit mad, but sailing boats venture much further afield and they are at the mercy of the wind. Hoping a capable boat driven sensibly will provide a safe (as it can be)adventure.
Its only 10-12 hrs steaming if the weather obliges

Interesting link below for those interested in wind
Its most likely been seen here before, but just in case

https://www.windyty.com/?-20.982,164.839,6

[scottar]

It's a big shopping list you have there with not too much of a budget to be honest. Things to add would be independent fuel tanks for the motors with the capability to transfer fuel if required and some way to receive weather forecasts/communicate be it HF radio or satellite phone or both.

[gofishin]

Three important questions; what is the limit on your towing weight, what towing constraints are you happy to accept, I.e 'over width', and what age of boat?.
Cheers
Brendon


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[Moejoes]

Looks like an awesome place.
I'd have to throw on 3 x 44 gallon drums of fuel to do a trip like that!!!!
Fuel for 800kms plus spare for rough weather.
Would be a 1000 to 1200 litre trip for Moejoes
By the way, don't forget your passport koastal :o

[outta line]

Looks like an awesome place.
I'd have to throw on 3 x 44 gallon drums of fuel to do a trip like that!!!!
Fuel for 800kms plus spare for rough weather.
Would be a 1000 to 1200 litre trip for Moejoes
By the way, don't forget your passport koastal :o


think you might need to get that auto pilot sorted as well

[Moejoes]

Just about to PM Kitty_cat :P
I can throw another tonne onboard now

[Moejoes]

This is a touch over 28ft, but should give you the range with fuel.

http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-3098772/2012-ORIGIN-Axis-10000

That is one hell of a package.
Mick ( Outtaline ) you should buy it ;D

[outta line]

That is one hell of a package.
Mick ( Outtaline ) you should buy it ;D


OK....i might need a long vehicle sign to go with the over size... lol

[koastal]

Three important questions; what is the limit on your towing weight, what towing constraints are you happy to accept, I.e 'over width', and what age of boat?.
Cheers
Brendon


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Towing limit will be apprx 6000 kg, over width will be ok and age is non - critical.

I am heading towards a 26ft Glacier Bay due to dual motors tanks etc / sea keeping / fuel economy and 680 lt fuel capacity. Looking at an older one that requires re-powering.

I would like to hear if anyone thinks that Glacier Bay is a poor choice as I can can go in other directions if need be. Appreciate everyones comments to date.

[ric]

This is my cat with gooseneck and triaxle arrangement. Tows nicely considering the windage.
I'm not overwidth and i just make it with length too. Boat is 8.3m LOA. beam 2.49m.

Designed for live aboard fishing trips for a few days with a bit over 500 fuel and 200 fresh water. Average fuel usgae woud be 1km/L so i would definately be using 44 gal drums or bladders for a trip like you have suggested.

Ric

[myusernam]

theres a second hand shaftdrive yanmar diesel kevlacat in cardwell (I think) 28 or 30 ft. for 125k.
I think a big factor is the ability to comfortably travel in the kind of weather you need to for a sustained period, and then want to do it agin. If you are organising a trip with several blokes and fitting around leave etc, it's going to be hard to time with perfect weather. A big cat will at least ride better, and still have the fuel carrying cap.

[The Mad Cat]

Going through the same situation at the moment but we already have the boat .
28 Kestrel. Glass, hardtop, sleeps 4 or squeezy 6, shower, toilet.

To be fitted;
315 hp Yanmar and ZT 370 leg
20l/hour RO unit
Up to 750l fuel with the 150l bladder I have
2 Garmin Combo's
Auto pilot
Sat phone
Solar power
100l freezer
50l fridge
Universal anchor winch
BBQ
AC (maybe)
Tender (roof mounted most likely a Polycraft Tuff)
$ plus more $
Boat is 3.1 wide LOA 9.1 and will be transported on a custom made yard type trailer with one of our tilt trays.
I can transport at night but not Xmas or Easter because it is on a heavy vehicle. (QLD)
Unsure of the weight as yet but assume fully ready to go around 5 tonne.
Not sure of range as we all know it will vary as to how it is driven.
Setting it up for trips away 7 to 10 days or more, that sought of thing.
Once I get a bit more done I will post more info and photos.
Launch time, hopefully Xmas just hope it is this Xmas.

TMC

[SkullJug]

Yes sounds a bit mad, but sailing boats venture much further afield and they are at the mercy of the wind.

I wouldn't go assuming it can be done with power easily if it's done with Sail easily. Sailing boats have unlimited range and a keel and are much more competent in the really rough stuff!

[Noelm]

Yes, saying that sailing boats are "at the mercy of the wind" tells me you should be perhaps getting a bit more experience before setting off for places like that in a trailer boat, and even if its a diesel, I wouldn't be going the stern drive route, either 4 stroke outboards, or shaft drive diesel, also don't forget, if it gets rough, you will still get home, but be pounded for hours on end, and use triple the expected fuel.

[Smithy]

I'd be thinking displacement boat in diesel or maybe a wide beam powered catamaran. Travelling at 20knots is going to be the killer. Keeping something on the plane is going to chew the juice. $100K is going to pull you up I reckon. Would be a few old diesel crab boats that could do it but then it is going to be a roughy for $100K.

[GBC]

http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2976393/2006-NQ-BORGER-CAT-999m?cr=0&psq=%28%28Make%3D%5BNQ%20BORGER%20CAT%5D%26%28%28% 28SiloType%3DDealer%20used%20boats%7CSiloType%3DDe aler%20new%20boats%29%7CSiloType%3DPrivate%20used% 20boats%29%7CSiloType%3DDemo%20and%20near%20new%20 boats%29%29%26Service%3DBoatsales%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

seen this one?

twin jets are going to like a drink.

the GB does look like the right sort of setup with the right legs to get there. Freaking long way when it blows up.

[shaungonemad]

That is one hell of a trailer boat not sure if that trailer would be legal though. Personally I think you are mad I would need the Queen Mary as minimum.

[Smithy]

Good find GBC! Yep jets are inefficient but those 6B Cummins are a good thing. You can get a Cummins exchange short block for about $7K which makes them great engines for replacement if needed.

[Smithy]

Build a cabin for this sucker with the change from your $100K!

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2765311/2000-Custom-CENTRE-CONSOLE?cr=9&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

You'd need fuel bladders for this.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-3310981/2010-Caribbean-2400?cr=31&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=30&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

Few out there!

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2566717/2010-OCEANTECH-CUSTOM?cr=38&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=30&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

400 litres of diesel would be handy!

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-3268503/1998-VASSARD-75mtr-Fibreglass?cr=54&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=45&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

Sexy boat this one!

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-1172193/2005-Scout-280-VINTAGE?cr=57&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=45&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-393648/2009-PLATE-ALLOY-CUSTOM?cr=67&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=60&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-872499/2007-TROPHY-2359-HARD-TOP?cr=93&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=90&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

Interesting. Twins for safety.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2794230/2002-RODMAN-747-Plus?cr=103&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=90&pss=Premium

[Smithy]

Good fuel capacity but not much about the engine.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-1636061/2009-SEATIME-2800?cr=157&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=150&pss=Premium

[koastal]

Thanks Smithy - I can see you lean towards diesel planing and Monohull.

I think a displacement catamaran may work

The Borger Cat was wild


Appreciate the advice in regard to displacement / rafts / sat phones etc

I am negotiating on a old 26ft Glacier Bay at the moment, and would love to hear any comments on same
For the record I wont be going diesel or legs and yes I do have some experience and would like some more.

[marto78]

Interesting. Twins for safety.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2794230/2002-RODMAN-747-Plus?cr=103&psq=%28BoatAll%3Dkeyword%5Bdiesel%5D%26%28%28%28%2 8BoatType%3D%5BPower%5D%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BD emo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5B Dealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer% 20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20use d%20boats%5D%29%29%26Price%3Drange%5B40000..100000 %5D%29%26LengthInMeters%3Drange%5B7..11%5D%29%26Se rvice%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%29&pso=90&pss=Premium

Mate this things a beast of a boat.

[nathan dumschat]

Around $10,000 for a trip with Damon Olsen is your safest bet. Nathan

[Smithy]

After owning a diesel I couldn't go back. I am now on 11,829 hours on a 230hp 4 cyl Yanmar and not burning oil. Also the torque. You just leave the throttle where you want and it plows through. The shark net contractor here is putting on a new set of Yammies at 4,000 hours. That is about the limit for outboards. I reckon legs would be fine if you keep them out of the water. A few crab boats here get away with leaving them in the water as they are used a bit but I wouldn't touch a rec one that has lived in the water.

[koastal]

Thats a serious amount of hours. I agree on diesel economy and torque. We once had a cat with 2 x perkins sabre 265 s, its only the cost and the requirement for 2 x motors, that has me preferring outboard power

[Stu Dows]

I love that Scout I check it out each time I drive past

[koastal]

Contracted a 26 ft glacier bay as no negative points were raised. It has old 2 strokes. Plan to repower it here.
Hopefully the sale and shipping are drama free

[koastal]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108788&stc=1

[cuzzamundi]

Attachment didn't work, Koastal. How was the survey report?

Cuzza

[hainsofast]

Should have bought Martin's Glacia Bay

[Chimo]

Here you go Buy the second boat too and get twins! http://yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/trailer-boats/charter-alloy/164473

[Chimo]

Or this http://yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/norcat-330/162615

[Chimo]

Or this http://yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/norcat-330/162615

[Chimo]

This but too dear http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/2010-calibre-marine-catamaran/143366

[koastal]

Attachment didn't work, Koastal. How was the survey report?

Cuzza

Survey report was thorough and identified a number of issues. Non structural but a quite a few to attend to. The 2 strokes will be sold and replaced with 2 x mercury 115 CT or 150s
Boat is a Glacier Bay 2640 Renegade in unkempt condition.

[koastal]

This but too dear http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/2010-calibre-marine-catamaran/143366

They all look good Chimo but have paid for the GB 2640 now. Just need to get it here without too many issues

[GBC]

I assumed you would have been looking for an isle runner. Awesome hull in any configuration. good luck with it all, keep posting up pics.

[koastal]

No I went for a Renegade. My brother has an isle runner, but he fishes bass straight.

The renegade I think will suit my applications better I hope, but you know what its like - Whatever you just bought is not quite right and you immediately start looking for other " better suited" boats

[koastal]

Like this but much rougher

http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-3406352/2010-GLACIER-BAY-2640SX-RENEGADE?cr=0&psq=%28%28Make%3D%5BGLACIER%20BAY%5D%26%28%28%28Si loType%3DDealer%20used%20boats%7CSiloType%3DDealer %20new%20boats%29%7CSiloType%3DPrivate%20used%20bo ats%29%7CSiloType%3DDemo%20and%20near%20new%20boat s%29%29%26Service%3DBoatsales%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

[Nick H]

Just out of interest Koastal, does yours have a cabin or is it an open boat as pictured?

[koastal]

Hey Nick - Its an open boat, as pictured.Self draining and foam filled.
Not perfect for open sea trips, but i have other plans that the layout suits

[Smithy]

$220K for twin Etecs! Tell him he is dreaming!

[koastal]

I am looking at motors to re-power now. Max hp rating is 2 x150 but I am seriously considering 2 x 115 CT Mercurys's.
I am hoping that they will give me a 20 knot cruise at 4000 rpm
Lightweight, should allow me to carry more fuel. Lower cost wont hurt either

Still have to get the boat safely here from Florida.
I will be selling my 20ft runabout cheap to help fund also

[koastal]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109258&stc=1 Boat is cleaned and ready to be shipped.

[koastal]

Glacier Bay 2640 arrives in 45 days.
It will owe $45k once it arrives. Plan is to sell the Yamaha 066x outboards and the trailer, this will help fund the purchase of new outboards. It will be interesting to see if i can keep under the $100K cap and actually make it to Cato reef and more importantly back.

I will do a couple of exploratory trips past fraser to test the water- literally !

[outta line]

wow thats cheep what year is the hull?? who are you shipping with?? $45K wouldnt cover the price of a 2270 isle runner let alone shipping ....i just got a survey done and about to import a very clean 2270 isle runner .. then the au dollar went to shit the week i had to pay the money by the time the au went up a bit someone had a deposit on the boat and it was sold

[koastal]

wow thats cheep what year is the hull?? who are you shipping with?? $45K wouldnt cover the price of a 2270 isle runner let alone shipping ....i just got a survey done and about to import a very clean 2270 isle runner .. then the au dollar went to shit the week i had to pay the money by the time the au went up a bit someone had a deposit on the boat and it was sold
The hull is 2000
Shipping with Portsea Marine. Could have shipped cheaper but something smelled bad.
My brother has a 26 isle runner. I am quite keen on Seacat5 Sl also. Underated and virtually unknown here

[dww13]

So this wont be going to Cato? Smart move. Can be a long wait out there in weather even in the ideal set up.

[koastal]

So this wont be going to Cato? Smart move. Can be a long wait out there in weather even in the ideal set up.

No, still planning on Cato. Taking 3 hot chickens, so should be ok for food.
Also like Sashimi, if the weather takes a turn.

[dww13]

prob wont need the chickens if the wind does get up, just grab a bird as its blown from the weather station.

[baitable]

I think your figures of 20 knots at 4000 rpm are a tad under estimated Maybe 4600 rpm... I have a isle runner with 140s


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[koastal]

I think your figures of 20 knots at 4000 rpm are a tad under estimated Maybe 4600 rpm... I have a isle runner with 140s


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Thanks baitable. Real world data like this is really helpful

What size props are you using ?
Do you know what fuel consumption is at 4600 rpm?
My info says 52 lt / hr at 4500. This would be lightship also.
If you can believe performance bulletins, this should deliver 24 knots though

http://www.suzukimarine.com/~/media/Marine/BoatBuilders/TestResults/G/Glacier%20Bay%20Cat/Glacier%20Bay%202640%20Renegade%20SX%20Twin%20DF14 0.ashx

In your opinion would I be better of with 150's ?

Any other info / opinions from Glacier Bay owners - past and present would be greatly appreciated

[koastal]

prob wont need the chickens if the wind does get up, just grab a bird as its blown from the weather station.

Haha, sound like you have had some "interesting" weather situations out there.

What sort of boat were you on? I would love to hear of your experiences.

I have engaged the service of a weather dude in NZ "MetBob" to choose a weather window for us.
http://www.metbob.com/services/default.html

[baitable]

From my real world data; 3 pob, full gear and fuel, calm conditions avg 10knts ish of wind, boat speed approx 42km/h cruise sitting on 47xx rpm I'm burning approx 1.1 l/km. best and most conservative fuel to km seems to be between 33-36km/h. Donks are new 140s (counter rotating) not quite broken in with factory stainless props. I'll have to repost figures on my next trip but I would allow 400kms range out of my 476l tank


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[baitable]

Go the 150s for sure!


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[koastal]

Go the 150s for sure!


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Thanks baitable

Is your tank 476 lt
i believe mine is is 680

1.1 l/ kmh is still good for a vessel of this size

Yours is the 26ft isle runner ?

[myusernam]

20 knots at four grand with 16p props seems possible to me with command thrust legs. Much bigger boxes and gear ratio. If it's Suzi 140's its the box and props that let them down. But I think your optimistic about cato.

[koastal]

20 knots at four grand with 16p props seems possible to me with command thrust legs. Much bigger boxes and gear ratio. If it's Suzi 140's its the box and props that let them down. But I think your optimistic about cato.

Thats what I was hoping the 115 Ct "appear" to punch above thier weight.

Expensive exercise if they dont though

Your right - I am optimistic about Cato. We all have to die of something though.

Reality is, is its 11 hrs steaming if the weathers ok. And i can think of worse places to be stuck

[GBC]

I'd want fuel for 3 times that each way - 60 odd hours will do it at displacement speed which out there is pretty common. If you've got it on the nose you won't keep that boat in the water going any quicker.
Olsen did a trip there for 36 hrs out and 24 hrs back in a proper displacement boat - if you lose that much time in that sized boat imagine what's going to be going on in the GB.
No reason you can't do it though.

[FisHard]

I reckon 600l will get you there, and that's about all in ok conditions. I've been to Flinders reef off Townsville twice and the first time we went directly from Airlie Beach at 20kts in about 8 hrs. That was in a 32' game boat is absolutely glassed out conditions. if you've got a flexible schedule , you could just wait wait wait, till you get glamorous weather. I still reckon working around a mothership would be the only sane way to do it realistically

[Darren J]

Thanks baitable

Yours is the 26ft isle runner ?

Baitable's is a 2270.

[dww13]

its a fantastic place but def very very open. 65" commercial fishing boat. Full boat of charters didn't get the dories off for a week. Still plenty of fishing from the big boat but no real crack at shallow water stuff. Still very much untouched due to the location (obviously why your wanting to get out there). Couldn't imagine it being to fun in an open boat. Maybe your planning on building some structure on the boat your importing. It is a long long long way to go and not have the fishing you want. You might get lucky and run in and out in the time your thinking or you could have a weather event come in unexpected. We stayed out an additional day and night then made a very slow lumpy trip back. Cant recall actual hours but it was something like an additional 21 hours. Not familiar with the boat your buying or what your planing but the 2 most important items for long range/liveabord trips are fresh water and fuel, and in that order to.

[PROS]

What is it that you can catch at cato but not in moreton bay?

[koastal]

I reckon 600l will get you there, and that's about all in ok conditions. I've been to Flinders reef off Townsville twice and the first time we went directly from Airlie Beach at 20kts in about 8 hrs. That was in a 32' game boat is absolutely glassed out conditions. if you've got a flexible schedule , you could just wait wait wait, till you get glamorous weather. I still reckon working around a mothership would be the only sane way to do it realistically

Jeez 600 lt to get there. thats 3 lts per nautical mile.
I wont be going in that weather window. Get your point though, yes i intend to have enough including margin for inclement weather.
Could take oars just in case

[koastal]

double post
:-[

[koastal]

its a fantastic place but def very very open. 65" commercial fishing boat. Full boat of charters didn't get the dories off for a week. Still plenty of fishing from the big boat but no real crack at shallow water stuff. Still very much untouched due to the location (obviously why your wanting to get out there). Couldn't imagine it being to fun in an open boat. Maybe your planning on building some structure on the boat your importing. It is a long long long way to go and not have the fishing you want. You might get lucky and run in and out in the time your thinking or you could have a weather event come in unexpected. We stayed out an additional day and night then made a very slow lumpy trip back. Cant recall actual hours but it was something like an additional 21 hours. Not familiar with the boat your buying or what your planing but the 2 most important items for long range/liveabord trips are fresh water and fuel, and in that order to.


Thanks dww13

Yes charters are limited with weather windows. Both departures and returns

Were all trips in trying weather conditions ?

[koastal]

Baitable's is a 2270.

I would have thought the suzuki 140s would have been a good match for the 2270

[koastal]

What is it that you can catch at cato but not in moreton bay?

To be honest its not just about the fishing

[koastal]

Weather looks good at cato atm

https://www.windyty.com/?-20.015,163.279,5

[dodgyone]

Been going through the same thing. Found an older 7m plate hull with an 09 Volvo d4 225 and duo prop leg. Reportedly 600km range from 240l. Be interesting to do some big trips and see what it really does.

[koastal]

Been going through the same thing. Found an older 7m plate hull with an 09 Volvo d4 225 and duo prop leg. Reportedly 600km range from 240l. Be interesting to do some big trips and see what it really does.

That sort of range / economy would be awesome.

Sellers can be know to overstate things from time to time tho

Any pictures ?

[Lovey80]

Koastal if I were you I would be going 150's in Yam or Merc but you are crazy to be repowering here if you are getting a boat shipped over. You could save thousands by buying new motors in the states, leave them and the rigging gear in crates and have them put on the back of the boat for the trip over.

Is it in transit yet? Certainly worth your while to buy in the US as it wont cost you any more for shipping surely.

[Gr0wler]

Must be planing on bringing some special air drop packages back ;D as I can't figure out why tf you would want to go all that way when you can catch all the fish you can legally bring home from the likes of 1770 in a day or two. F@#k that for a joke, but each to their own.

[goona]

Must be planing on bringing some special air drop packages back ;D as I can't figure out why tf you would want to go all that way when you can catch all the fish you can legally bring home from the likes of 1770 in a day or two. F@#k that for a joke, but each to their own..

Ah I don't know Gr0wler. We go out to the Swains in my 7.4m boat every year (I know this is a lot further) but the GT's we get out there and the numbers make it worth it. Cant get them at 1770 in the number or the size. Same as the reefies. We know we will get great fish around the Percy group and it is a great place to camp as well. Mission to get there but wouldn't change it for anything. Going to Cato would be Awesome but I wouldn't want to be doing it in anything over 10 knots. I'd want auto pilot as well LOL.
Goona

[koastal]

Koastal if I were you I would be going 150's in Yam or Merc but you are crazy to be repowering here if you are getting a boat shipped over. You could save thousands by buying new motors in the states, leave them and the rigging gear in crates and have them put on the back of the boat for the trip over.

Is it in transit yet? Certainly worth your while to buy in the US as it wont cost you any more for shipping surely.

Boats in transit tomorrow. Will heed your advice in regard to larger motors.

Probably go 135 mercury 4 strokes as. I believe they are de-rated 150 and will make the same power in that critical 3800 - 4300 rpm, awaiting some data to confirm this theory though.
They are quite light at 206 kgs and save quite a lot of money over the 150's

I looked at purchasing the motors there but value the warranty that comes with local purchase. Price with the weak dollar wasnt as good as it has been and you still have to pay gst

[koastal]

Must be planing on bringing some special air drop packages back ;D as I can't figure out why tf you would want to go all that way when you can catch all the fish you can legally bring home from the likes of 1770 in a day or two. F@#k that for a joke, but each to their own.

No Packages haha - Main reason is the adventure and pelagics, wahoo and dogtooth I hope.
Can always come home via 1770 to catch some reds.

[koastal]

Boat is 20 days away

Heres a link to one in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO3JyQNo28g

[burleygu]

You should of bought this one twin 150's ready to go my opinion after being on this boat if you go any smaller in hp you will regret it. Get yours here sell it and buy captain seaweeds.

[Darren Mc]

Geez that's a nice rig Burleygu.
Great video there koastal even with the guy behind the camera being blind drunk.

[koastal]

You should of bought this one twin 150's ready to go my opinion after being on this boat if you go any smaller in hp you will regret it. Get yours here sell it and buy captain seaweeds.

How much does he want for it ?

[outta line]

He wants 100k it's on boat sales..... there's a 2004 26" for 85k with 400h didn't have location might be worth a look if someone is wanting a larger cat ....most of those bigger boats have been for sale for 6 months or more and towing would play a big part it that with the need of larger tow vehicle

[koastal]

He wants 100k it's on boat sales..... there's a 2004 26" for 85k with 400h didn't have location might be worth a look if someone is wanting a larger cat ....most of those bigger boats have been for sale for 6 months or more and towing would play a big part it that with the need of larger tow vehicle

Ok ta - will pass. Good looking boat, protection from the elements with that hard top. Has all the bells and whistles with radar / chirp etc. 860 hrs so well used Would have suited my brother perfectly. He fishes bass straight.
My long term plans are more tropical and love the Renegade layout. Planning on getting the best wet weather gear money can buy tho. Also brand new motors are a big part of the long range confidence thing.

[koastal]

double post !!

[koastal]

Woohoo boat has arrived. Must say as a first time importer, it was a painless procedure.

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[bluefin59]

Bugger your gunna need a bigger shed , nice boat please post some more pics . Thanks Matt

[koastal]

Yep they are a "large" 26 ft. Barely had a chance to unwrap it, but will get a few photos once done so. First order of business is full service for the outboards.

It needs a a lot of little things fixed up, but fundamentally looks very sound.

[outta line]

well done glad it has arrived ... let the fun begin with fit out.. what donks have you decided on ?........... i have found a 2270 over there not on a trailer early days yet and ia not going to get my hopes up after missing out on the last one

[koastal]

Yes relieved its here. My expectations were quite low in regard to its condition, but the guy I arranged to pick it up in Carrabelle Florida (Martin Marine) did a great job of cleaning it up.

Re fitting it out I wont be going overboard (literally) but will change motors / GPS / Sounder/ bilge pumps. I hope to have a simple reliable boat, that is 110314110313110312110311comfortable and safe in a seaway

[PatricsOnTheCoast]

Pics didn't work sorry mate!

[baitable]

DO not!!!! under power the boat... if anything over power it.. 140's are a perfect match for the 2270, if weight would permit, i would love to put 175's on the back...

[baitable]

there is a post on glacier bay forums of a boat similar sized to yours with twin 300's find it on youtube

[koastal]

yep seen it
62mph - 2.8 mpg at 22

doin 135 mercs most likely, quite differnt motor to 140 hp suzuki 110326

[Chimo]

Pics still not working.

Have you had a look at the help section re photo reduction and posting?

Cheers
Chimo

[ozynorts]

You need to add pics via the Go Advanced button. You need to import the files to AF first then attach to your post.

[Chimo]

koastal

Do this http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php/54112-Resizing-images-for-use-on-the-chat-boards

and then do this http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php/103565-Attaching-photos-files-to-posts

and then we can talk about your pics.

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[baitable]

well, you cant say i didn't try... do what you must mate- you know best...

[koastal]

well, you cant say i didn't try... do what you must mate- you know best...
I appreciate the advice, which is why i switched from the 115 CT. I am just convinced the 135 merc is a 150 with different stickers.
Any advice to the contrary will see me switch to the 150s

Insurance above its max rating will also be an issue.

You didnt really want me to go twin 300s did you Baitable ? Remember the budget is limited

Having another go at photos tonight - I need my teenage son to sort it but hes working out the swains ( poor kid)

[koastal]

test photo
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[koastal]

koastal

Do this http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php/54112-Resizing-images-for-use-on-the-chat-boards

and then do this http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php/103565-Attaching-photos-files-to-posts

and then we can talk about your pics.

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OK !! thats it, im reading the instructions

[koastal]

Give in -
software doesnt' appear to be mac compatible

Can email photos to someone more proficient than me (not hard)

[koastal]

110350Success maybe - i hope

[koastal]

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[Darren Mc]

It worked.. Looks impressive Koastal.

[Nick H]

Nice rig and plenty of room. Taking it that far offshore are you concerned it doesn't have a front cabin or wave breaker so to speak of. How big and how many scuppers does it have around the deck?
Nick

[koastal]

Nice rig and plenty of room. Taking it that far offshore are you concerned it doesn't have a front cabin or wave breaker so to speak of. How big and how many scuppers does it have around the deck?
Nick
Hey Nick
Yes a bit concerned with the lack of cover, and yes it does have 4 - 50mm scuppers. Plan is picking a great weather window and awesome wet weather gear.

One of the key reasons for going Glacier Bay is thier ability to maintain a speed in a seaway,without having to plane.
We all know that thier is a fine line between too fast and to0 slow. I am hoping this trait will allow us to deal with awkward seastates in a controlled and safe manner.
This is all hypothetical as the boat hasnt even been wet yet. I have owned a displacement catamaran before, so am banking this GB will act in a similar way

[FisHard]

Nice rig! That looks like a fantastic day boat layout, but where do you sleep?

[koastal]

Nice rig! That looks like a fantastic day boat layout, but where do you sleep?

No Sleeping just fishing !!

Yes day boat is its long term application

Or swags on the foredeck / beach

[koastal]

110382Some work has started now its unwrapped properly -
Exterior is being cleaned and buffed, motors have legs of for servicing / injectors being cleaned / and flow tested / impellors / new filters everywhere - compresion tested all 12 cylinders Motors are in great shape with 120 - 130 psi across the board. These 066X motors have a great reputation in the US.
Plan is to purchase the Mercurys whilst their promo is on and stick them in the shed, as I dont think they will get cheaper with the Aus $ trend and use the Yamahas for 6 months so I know their history and performance for the next person I sell them to - Nothing worse than buying a secondhand outboard and having it fail, so these will be serviced to death and tested for their next owner.

Real fear is that the Yamahas will make the mercurys feel bad.

Anyways a couple of more photos attached for those that are interested

Feel free to guess what the boat next to it is. Carton of beer for the first correct answer110383110384Photo loading expert now - Thanks Chimo

[fishing111]

haines sig 630le, and it looks like it would fit inside the new acquisition.

[bluefin59]

The 630le on the side gave it away and yes it certainly looks tiny against the new weapon ,thanks for the update WOW . Matt

[koastal]

The 630le on the side gave it away and yes it certainly looks tiny against the new weapon ,thanks for the update WOW . Matt

Doh !
Send me your email Bluefin111 and I will paypal you some beer money

[whatscracken]

Hey Koastal. I've been to Cato & Wreck reefs. They are prime locations that's for sure. On the times I've been there the one thing you can count on is the weather is totally unpredictable & we are still unable to find a reliable forecast for the area apart from real time updates from the AWS at Cato. I wouldn't go out the in anything less then a mothership, it's just so far away. If you do get out there Wahoo & Dogtooth are horses and thick but both reefs can completely shut down, shut down harder than any place I've been to on the GBR. Good luck I'm keen to watch it unfold.

[bluefin59]

I am all good mate put the money towards the motors your going to need it mate and keep us informed on the boats performance thanks ..Matt

[koastal]

Hey Whats Craken (top name)
Appreciate the info - Have you spent much time at Cato and Wreck ?
Was it on a charter or private boat - private normally means you can pick a great weather window, but charter means imo a marginal window may have to be chosen.

All goes out the window if the weather is unpredictable though.
I wonder why the fishing can shut down so much. Be a shame to go there and not catch a few.

I would like to hear more of your experiences if possible

[dodgyone]

That sort of range / economy would be awesome.

Sellers can be know to overstate things from time to time tho

Any pictures ?

Sorry about the delay. Been busy finalising the deal and dragging it home.
Bit of a refurb coming up. New paint and an electronics upgrade.

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[koastal]

Sorry about the delay. Been busy finalising the deal and dragging it home.
Bit of a refurb coming up. New paint and an electronics upgrade.



Nice lines - that transom is nifty.
Looks like it needs less work than mine and def more economical

[Outside]

Hi Koastal, first time user to this site and have been reading your updates. Nice work, perfect boat!
I also brought in a 2640 GB Renegade through Portsea Marine 3 months ago. I got mine from Florida, had a trailer built over there from Magic Tilt (to OZ Specs) and have spent most days when not at work working on her and re-fitting everything including re-powering her. I've taken off the original Yamaha four strokes and have gone with Mercury 150 four strokes from Brisbane Marine. These engines rate high on my list and would not go with anything less. The electronic package we went with is Garmin radar, 12" touch, side and down scan, 1kw trans, auto pilot etc.
I bought my GB after I saw an old video where the original designer and owner of Glacier Bay (Larry Graff) taking two GB's from Hawaii to Midway in the middle of the Pacific (approx 1300nm and fuel drops on coral isle were required). I originally had a 30' Kevlacat and the GB rides differently due to the semi-displacement hull. You'll love it!

[gofishin]

Great looking boat koastal, and I can see the allure and potential of it as a fantastic day boat - which I also see is your long term plans for her.

Never been to Cato, or anything near it, but used to do big coastal passages and trips to distant reef systems (in a seemingly former and very distant life - in another country), and 100% understand this comment...
...Main reason is the adventure and pelagics, wahoo and dogtooth I hope... The adventure, but more so the dogtooth is what kept us going back again, or even to more distant places :).

There is just nothing like the adrenalin rush (and sheer desperation) of watching the down rigger release, and then 37kg line disappear at lightning speeds, under up to 20kg plus of drag, and getting absolutely smashed as the doggy headed over a ledge/a bombie etc and won the battle. Hmmmm, the good old days....Sorry, back to topic...

As nice and as big as your GB is (and whatever good traits the GB's have), personally, I wouldn't be taking this boat to Cato because of this ...
...Yes a bit concerned with the lack of cover... but that's just my opinion, and from my experiences.

You haven't mentioned a bow/tonneau cover, but I would be spending serious $'s on one with the best trimmer in your area. It will never be 100% watertight, but it has to be very strong, and very well attached, especially round the front (sail track or similar, studs and toggles will be useless). It will also need at least 2 props I think, again with fail safe design (so that they can't dislodge) so that the cover sheds green water (waves). You will obviously also need to test it before hand - in very crap conditions. Again, just my opinion.

Cato won't be any different to any other remote/offshore reef system in the world. Although once out there, where there are lots of reefs for protection, the shallow water, currents, waves and wind forces some waves to stand up real high, with short pitches, and you will probably need to deal with this situation at some time.

Unlike a mono, most cats have less bow recovery/water shedding ability in these sort of front-on situations, and they just scoop the tops off the waves. The fine entry of the GB hulls will also be a factor. You don't want this water in the boat.

Luckily, in ~a half dozen big trips I did, the worst weather I found was in the biggest boat. At 33' x 11' beam it was a decent cat, but still not big enough it seemed.

We got belted getting there, and after getting bored hiding for a day or 2 catching trout and reefy's decided to go hunt some doggies. Picked some likely deeper reefs (offering protection while fishing) and gingerly picked our way out there (no GPS in those days).

In the few hrs spent out there the weather conditions (waves/current) changed enough to make the short 'hop' back to protected areas (through gaps in reefs) quite interesting & butt-clenching. On the lee side of the reef we were fishing, these changes were not noticeable.

The foredeck was often under green water from the tops of waves; they were just too big, too steep, and too close together. I got less wet in the flybridge (green water up and over) quartering the waves, but it meant some wave tops smashed into the saloon windows and some water also into the cockpit. Was a bit hairy, and this was a pretty decent boat!

Get yourself a very decent bow cover! Just my 2c.

Cheers and good luck with the boat and trip.
Brendon

PS. Here is a shot of the cat in question, from the cockpit, before we glassed in the furniture modules etc. As you can see, she was a decent size cat... but still seemed too small in the above conditions.

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[whatscracken]

Hey Koastal, Unfortunately whenever we have been the dates have been fixed due to everyones work commitments. If the weather had been really bad we'd either go to the Swains or Bunker, also to Surmarez. We traveled in a privately owned boat. 68 ft custom timber cruiser. Its a fairly decent boat for its size with 6.5m beam. Don't get me wrong. We have headed out to Wreck & Cato and its been hand over fist. The fish are chewing hard, on the bottom and on the surface. You get tired of fishing. As good as it gets. We have had a trip from Bundaberg to Wreck, stayed for 5 days spent one day trolling the whole reef without even a strike with 6 lines out. Other times you can only have one line out troll 100 - 200m and bang. I can't stress enough the difference in weather, Between Fraser and Cato/Wreck so much water and pockets of just shit. Never had glass the whole way out or back. Longest trip from Cato to Bundaberg in 35+knots was 46 hours non stop. A sat phone is a must.

[koastal]

Hey Outside - pleased to hear from a current 2640 owner I wonder how many there are around ?

Was Portsea Marine trouble free for you as well ?

Were the F150s that you took of huge hours as I considered these as good motors ?
Do you have the Mercury 150s up and running as I would be keen to hear your feedback in regard to performance / fuel etc.
The electronics package sounds like a beauty.
Yes all the Larry Graf trips have inspired me also.
What state are you in ?

[koastal]

Hi GoFishin

Serious cat you have there - What type is it.
I agree the fine entry of Glacier Bays in particular are both a blessing and a concern. I will be taking your advice in regard to the bow cover. I just wonder if the first serious wave will demolish it. Sail tracked and sturdy supports as suggested should give it a chance.

Whereabouts were your trips from to ?

[koastal]

Cheers WhatsCracken- Yes fixed dates means big boats I think.
I hope to be more flexible with a departure and return. A good weather windows should enable a trip to be achieved in 11 -13 hours ( I hope) All in daylight in the plan.
I spent more time than that fishing Caloundra wide some times

Weather pockets you mention are a concern- I anticipate at least 1 NDE ( near death experience)
but secretly hoping for none.

Shut down fishing would be criminal after travelling all that way.
Will be taking a SAT phone - maybe 2

[koastal]

Motors are serviced and ready to go. The impellors / plugs / seals / injectors were in remarkebly good conditon but got replaced anyway. The VST filters had signs of old fuel as did the main fuel filters.
The Yamaha 150 0X66's dont come with a hour meter in that year but the previous owner said the he hadn't put more than 20hrs on in his 8 years of ownership. Something about a divorce and interests elsewhere.

Dan the technician said compression / seals etc were indicative of a low hour motor as was the undercowl condition. I personally would of been happy if they had done a 1000 hrs as a well used motor can sometimes be better than a rarely used one IMO.
Dan said its not possible / highly unlikely that they have done anywhere near 1000

Any way hope to get it wet this week end

[gofishin]

Hi GoFishin

Serious cat you have there - What type is it.... it was a PowerCat 328. The name is still around but the original company folded in 1986. 328's and 288 models were very popular in the 80's. It was my old man's, I was just very fortunate to be able to grab the keys whenever I wanted (and be trusted with it) :).


... I agree the fine entry of Glacier Bays in particular are both a blessing and a concern. I will be taking your advice in regard to the bow cover. I just wonder if the first serious wave will demolish it... you may also want to consider adding a lip/moulding that the cover fixes behind, to deflect the initial force of any green water etc will also make it a little more waterproof. Might look like an add-on if not done properly though.


... Whereabouts were your trips from to ? North Coast of PNG, from Lae South, and North up to the islands at the bottom of New Britian, and also up round the top up to the islands and distant reefs off Madang. Unbelievable boating and fishing country. Islands and reef systems, far from anywhere, rising up from sometimes 1000+ fathoms... ahhhh the good old days
Cheers


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[koastal]

Good bloke your old man

Sounds amazing the country you had access to. Biggest black bass ?

Powercats are built down my way now here near Bribie.
I think the powercats are a great bay boat, but have never considered them a offshore boat - That wing deck just looks like its designed to pound.
Mind you I wish I had access to one when i was a lad

[scottar]

Luckily, in ~a half dozen big trips I did, the worst weather I found was in the biggest boat. At 33' x 11' beam it was a decent cat, but still not big enough it seemed.






They never are - even at 90+ feet, made of steel and weighing in excess of 400 tonne, once it gets genuinely bad. The only saving grace is you are dry and to some extent comfortable. Take that away (such as when you don the wet weather gear and work the front roller of a multicat for a 12 hour night shift in 2-3 metre seas with green water intermittently coming over the front) and life becomes genuinely miserable - let alone for possibly days at a time. Wet weather gear eventually becomes just that - wet. You will definitely need additional protection from the elements for not only yourself but your equipment. For what you will have to spend to set the boat up properly and safely for this undertaking, I suspect you could do a week out there with Nomad and still have change. Whilst I admire and wish I still had your spirit of adventure Koastal, in my mind you are one crazy SOB with big brass kahunas if you take this on.

PS - Relying on the weather bureau to give you an accurate enough prediction of a weather window good enough for this undertaking given their track record might just be the craziest part of the whole gig.

[gofishin]

^^^^ What Scotty said. And glad it was him working the deck and not me :).

When you do big trips, there is always a lot of effort, time and cost to get there. When you do get there, you want to make the most of it. This can cause you to take risks 'when there' that you wouldn't otherwise take. Been there, done that - a few times too often when I was younger!

If a big/decent trip is in your blood koastal, do the Whitsundays or better the Percy Group etc. in your boat. At least plenty of spots to hide and camp out etc, still catch great fish etc. I will do the Percy trip one day myself.
Cheers


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[gofishin]

... Biggest black bass ?...Never fished for them, but funnily enough would have probably camped/overnighted many-a-time a few dozen meters from prime Bass creeks.


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[baitable]

Never fished for them, but funnily enough would have probably camped/overnighted many-a-time a few dozen meters from prime Bass creeks.


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Small world - I've done a bit of mucking around Lae, Kimbe Bay, Rabaul and Vudaul -agree about the reefs but what is more amazing are the locals ability to navigate in the dark around reefs without GPS and believe it or not with their freaken nose.... I love PNG -cant see why anyone would not want to go there...

[gofishin]

Yeah baitable, it is a great place, although nothing like what it used to be. Still have mates up there, the difference is they now take guns with them when boating!
... I love PNG -cant see why anyone would not want to go there... Depends if you ask me that question, or my wife :)



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[ScoobyFan]

Cheers WhatsCracken- Yes fixed dates means big boats I think.
I hope to be more flexible with a departure and return. A good weather windows should enable a trip to be achieved in 11 -13 hours ( I hope) All in daylight in the plan.
I spent more time than that fishing Caloundra wide some times

Weather pockets you mention are a concern- I anticipate at least 1 NDE ( near death experience)
but secretly hoping for none.

Shut down fishing would be criminal after travelling all that way.
Will be taking a SAT phone - maybe 2
Yes but the whole time you are at wide Caloundra you are only 40km from a safe harbour or an hours wait for a tow home from the coast guard [emoji3]

I wish you the best of luck but your crazy and I hope you don't make the news for the wrong reasons.

Though about how much it's going cost you or the taxpayer? If you need rescuing?. Just a thought.

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[Outside]

Hi Koastal, I'don't think there are a lot of of the 2640 Renegade models here...more the Canyon Runners and closed in cabins, etc. I do know that Action Boating at Runaway Bay on the Gold Coast is selling a neat little 2240 Renegade at the moment with low hours and has been well kept.
The F150's had 800hrs (80hrs a year over a 10year period) and worked fine however not knowing the history, I'd rather something new that I personally know...it'll feel safe for the trips we do with my wife and kids. The Mercury 150's I've tested feel and go great. Quite a few of the VMR rescue groups up here in Qld run them now and they certainly punch those heavy boats out of there water pretty quick and are very responsive.
Justin from Portsea was easy as and would no doubt use again and again, only problem occurred was in the states as they wouldn't take the T-top off therefore incurring a lot more US$ for cubic meterage in transport over. My girl is nearly ready for her first day out with her new fit out so will keep you posted as to the performance but I have no doubt she'll be a trouper with awesome fuel economy and riding ability.
Catch you soon.
Outside

[koastal]

110548Small update and thanks for all responses

Boat went in the water for the first time on Wednesday and immediately shrank considerably.
Trouble free thanks to Jason from "Bucken Hell" towing and a lengthy stop at the petrol station.
A little bit of trouble priming the fuel system, but self primed once started.

Took it for a 15 min cruise to see if all was well, and then tried all bilge pumps (float switches on order) - First issue, starboard sponsoon was taking water at about 1 ltr per minute.
Left it overnight on the pontoon with a pump out at 2.00 am.
Back to the ramp the next morning and back on the trailer. For the record 2.5 litre Navaras can be nearly dragged down the ramp by 3.5 tonne catamarans.
A quick inspection saw that the transducer fitment by the previous owner had involved drilling 3 holes but fitting only 2 screws. Previous owner obviously hadnt used it after fitting the sounder - unless someone stole a screw from it
5 mins later after application of Sika and 1 more screw we were back on the water.
All sorted - so a quick run to the blinker of pumicestone passage turned into a 45 mile jaunt to Moreton Island and back again.
Motors ran fantastic - started instantly everytime / no alarms quieter than my current Optimax ran smoke free after warm up, felt very strong and inspired confidence
Performance was beyond my expectations and will be suprised if the new motors will perform as well.
Some data for those interested.

3000 rpm = 16 knots
3500 rpm = 20knots
4200 rpm = 27 knots
No WOT yet as I will do a few more hours to give them a chance to settle after such a long lay of.

[gofishin]

... First issue, starboard sponsoon was taking water at about 1 ltr per minute.
Left it overnight on the pontoon with a pump out at 2.00 am....Not a small leakage rate! Did you actually sleep between bedtime and 2am?? :)

Now there is a name for the boat - "One Screw Loose".... and no, not after the skipper, the missing transducer screw! :) :)

A name after the skipper would be more like "BBK"... ie "BigBrassKahunas" :).

With a bad omission like that from one of the previous owners, and a trip planned as you have, I would be removing every underwater screw and resealing, not to mention very closely inspecting every underwater fitting/hull penetration on the hull, and those 'above' the WL, ASAP.
Cheers
Brendon


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[baitable]

2.5 l navara????? Think that's pushing it ......


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[hainsofast]

you towing that with a D22?

[Lovey80]

What about twoscrews as a name?

[koastal]

What about twoscrews as a name?

Thats a good un

[koastal]

you towing that with a D22?

D40 just up the ramp to fix the leak

[koastal]

Just wondering how many Glacier Bay owner frequent this forum ?



http://www.tims-marine.com/glacier-bay-boats-videos?tubepress_item=pETd4sybcA4

[Darren J]

"Here".
2270 Isle Runner.

[koastal]

Black anchors fitted sea trials / stability test tomorrow.
Made a significant dent in my meagre budget 111300111301

[scottar]

135's or 150's Koastal ?

[koastal]

135's or 150's Koastal ?

135's scottar
Used the 3k difference on a 587 and a tm260
Hope they go ok

[scottar]

I'll bet you hope they go Ok. Expensive mistake if they don't. Finger's crossed you get the performance you are after. Will be interesting to see some numbers.

[koastal]

I'll bet you hope they go Ok. Expensive mistake if they don't. Finger's crossed you get the performance you are after. Will be interesting to see some numbers.

They will be fine !
Can prop the issue away if need be.
Trying 17 in tomorrow but expecting 15s to be the go for a largish fuel load.
20 knots at 40 l/h is the goal. We will know within seconds if we are good

[shane450]

I must have missed it if you have already posted , what is the fuel capacity Koastal .

Great boat too , I m envious

[koastal]

111328
Thanks Shane - Yes pretty its a lot of boat for little money.

It holds 680 litres - investigating fuel bladders atm - stability test infers it can carry significant weight, even if it shifts of the centreline

[scottar]

How did the sea trials go Koastal?

[GBC]

That is a shit load of trailer boat.


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[koastal]

How did the sea trials go Koastal?

Hey Scott (is that your name ?)

Sea trials went very average. Hence my lack of post.
Despite my instructions for 15 in props, Mercury decided i should have 17in props.
These as anticipated did not achieve 5300 rpm as desired but pulled up at 5000.
5000rpm gave 30 knots
With the 17s 20 knots was achieved at 3500 @ 47 l/hr.


The 15s went on this afternoon, they immediately felt more tractable/ responsive
20 knots was achieved at 3700 rpm @38 l/hr

WOT was 5450 @33 kn - Obviously less slip with the 15s

Some prop chatter at idle as I suspect they didnt use the flotorque 4 hubs as specified

End result is i am happy whereas yesterday I wasnt

[scottar]

Sounds like you nailed what you were after. Good result

Regards

Scott.

[koastal]

Sounds like you nailed what you were after. Good result

Regards

Scott.

Yes, but didnt look good for a while tho - will post some video data on the vesselview once it is calmer.
Huge swing on fuel usage between props, wouldnt have believed it if i saw it on the net.

[scottar]

You would be surprised just how many boats are out there that are incorrectly propped. Benefits of correct propping extend well past fuel economy too.

[FisHard]

How do you think she will go loaded up big time for a long range trip like you're proposing? I'm not familiar with the recommended rev range for these motors, but would guess 5450 is still a bit on the low side, before you load up with the fuel etc for a big trip?

[gofishin]

What was your trim/load condition koastal, incl fuel load? Personally I would be looking for a lot more than 53/5450 if lightships.

A month or so ago there was a thread on THT started by an Aussy with twin Mercury 150's on a cat, who was experiencing problems during long runs to the reef, and/or back. Others came on with similar issues from memory too. Haven't been on for a while, so not sure of the outcome, but might pay to check it out seeing as the 135's are basically the same donk.
Cheers
Brendon

[koastal]

What was your trim/load condition koastal, incl fuel load? Personally I would be looking for a lot more than 53/5450 if lightships.

A month or so ago there was a thread on THT started by an Aussy with twin Mercury 150's on a cat, who was experiencing problems during long runs to the reef, and/or back. Others came on with similar issues from memory too. Haven't been on for a while, so not sure of the outcome, but might pay to check it out seeing as the 135's are basically the same donk.
Cheers
Brendon

Trim is down fuel is 400 lt
u familiar with GB characteristics ?
What rpm do you want ?

Yep seen it brendon
guy fishes kangaroo island.
Runs 4 hours then strange issue that fixes itself - aware and watching it

[koastal]

How do you think she will go loaded up big time for a long range trip like you're proposing? I'm not familiar with the recommended rev range for these motors, but would guess 5450 is still a bit on the low side, before you load up with the fuel etc for a big trip?

RPM range is 4800 - 5300

[koastal]

You would be surprised just how many boats are out there that are incorrectly propped. Benefits of correct propping extend well past fuel economy too.

I agree. made the mistake of overpropping once cost $35 k

[gofishin]

... u familiar with GB characteristics ? ...Not really, but know that they are as 'displaning' as any cat designed to be as such. Regardless, this wouldn't make me prop them much differently to any other 4 strokes on a different type of cat, or any boat for that matter.


... What rpm do you want ?...I just looked up the r.rpm, 5000-5800. I like to prop to the top half of any r.rpm, and stay within this regardless of the trim - but that's just my opinion.

Your planned trip will see you with a huge consumable load. When you have ~30 plus hrs up I would be loading the boat up with the equivalent of the entire load you think you will need, then add 150kg for good measure :).

Maybe the GB won't suffer as much as another type of design, but it will be very interesting to see how much the max rpm suffers. For a one off trip it may not be such concern.

When you do this test, I would try and get a few other sets/types of props too, diff p/d ratio etc.
Cheers
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[koastal]

Your planned trip will see you with a huge consumable load. When you have ~30 plus hrs up I would be loading the boat up with the equivalent of the entire load you think you will need, then add 150kg for good measure :).

Maybe the GB won't suffer as much as another type of design, but it will be very interesting to see how much the max rpm suffers. For a one off trip it may not be such concern.

When you do this test, I would try and get a few other sets/types of props too, diff p/d ratio etc.
Cheers


Yes will do.

There is conflicting info - re: rev range.
Thier website says 5- 5800, but thier manual states 4800- 5300

Mercury Marine 135hp FourStroke EFI
Engine type : Inline 4
Displacement (L) : 3.0
Full throttle RPM : 4800-5300
Fuel induction system : Computer controlled Sequential Multi-Port Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI)
Alternator amp / Watt : 60 amp / 756 watt (Belt-Driven)
Recommended fuel : Unleaded Regular 87 Octane Minimum (R+M/2) or 90 RON 10% Ethanol Maximum
Recommended oil : Mercury FourStroke Oil 10W-30
Engine protection : SmartCraft Engine Guardian
SmartCraft compatible : Yes
Starting : Electric (turn-key)
Steering : Big Tiller Compatible. Electro-Hydraulic Power Steering Optional on Duals. Hydraulic power steering. Mercury power steering. Remote.
Shaft length : L (20"/508 mm) XL (25"/635 mm) CXL (25”/635 mm) Counter Rotator
Gearcase ratio : 1.92:1
Dry weight * (lightest model) : 455 lbs / 206 kg
Bore and stroke : 4.0 x 3.6" / 102 x 92 mm
Ignition : SmartCraft ECM 70 Digital Inductive

According to thier in house tech 4800 - 5300 is the correct one.

[shane450]

How much extra fuel you looking at putting in bladders Koastal ?

Also will you test how she performs on one motor , in the event .

love the idea of a Cato trip though , its a real adventure

[The Woo]

I totally agree re propping it to high rpm. Seems amazing that Mercury prints such conflicting information.

[koastal]

I totally agree re propping it to high rpm. Seems amazing that Mercury prints such conflicting information.

Yes bit of joke all thier dealers have the correct info.

Interesting that Mercury SeaPro commercial 150hp also has the 4800-5300 rev range.
Somewhat like a commercial rating for diesels i suppose.

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/au/engines/outboard/seapro/seapro-fourstroke-150-hp/

Any ho based on thier somewhat contradictory data the boat is under propped based on its current load and I am pleased with them

I havent run the new motors on one motor yet, but the old 2 stroke yamahas did 19 knots on one motor

[hainsofast]

How much extra fuel you looking at putting in bladders Koastal ?

Also will you test how she performs on one motor , in the event .

love the idea of a Cato trip though , its a real adventure how far offshore is Cato

[ozynorts]

how far offshore is Cato
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[bigjimg]

Or 271Nm if leaving from Redcliffe, Scarborough Marina. A long haul leaving from any east coast port. Got to love the concept though.
I've read an article of a fellow and a couple of mates in a Joshua built mono departing New Guinea and travelling to Cooktown with fuel stops pre organised along the way.
Would be good fun but a McGyver would need to be on-board. The impending trip is going to be a bloody good read. Upgrading the life insurance Koastal.Something to think about. Jim

[The Woo]

Yes bit of joke all thier dealers have the correct info.

Interesting that Mercury SeaPro commercial 150hp also has the 4800-5300 (tel:4800-5300) rev range.
Somewhat like a commercial rating for diesels i suppose.

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/au/engines/outboard/seapro/seapro-fourstroke-150-hp/

Any ho based on thier somewhat contradictory data the boat is under propped based on its current load and I am pleased with them

I havent run the new motors on one motor yet, but the old 2 stroke yamahas did 19 knots on one motor
Agreed, and all good here. Will be interesting to see how she performs with a heavy load, and to see you on the water! I've not seen one running in person and I like the concept.

Presume you'll take say a 13" prop in case you need to run back on one?
Im a fan of preparing well and pushing boundaries and you're certainly doing that.

[koastal]

Also will you test how she performs on one motor

Just did the one motor thing - Saw 20.8 knots against tide on the gps, 3 people 350 lt of fuel
Infers that the 135 makes at least the same hp as the 150 2 stroke yamahas or that the 15 in enertia props are that much more efficient.

[koastal]

Or 271Nm if leaving from Redcliffe, Scarborough Marina. A long haul leaving from any east coast port. Got to love the concept though.
I've read an article of a fellow and a couple of mates in a Joshua built mono departing New Guinea and travelling to Cooktown with fuel stops pre organised along the way.
Would be good fun but a McGyver would need to be handy Jim

Will be leaving from Hervey Bay Jim- I am fundamentally scared of the ocean, but hope a simple sound hull, reliable motors and a good weather window will make for a happy ending.

[koastal]

Agreed, and all good here. Will be interesting to see how she performs with a heavy load, and to see you on the water! I've not seen one running in person and I like the concept.

Presume you'll take say a 13" prop in case you need to run back on one?
Im a fan of preparing well and pushing boundaries and you're certainly doing that.

Was thinking 14s Woo
Been following your link on the THT, amazing work and research you have done

[The Woo]

Are you there yet?

[myusernam]

Will be leaving from Hervey Bay Jim- I am fundamentally scared of the ocean, but hope a simple sound hull, reliable motors and a good weather window will make for a happy ending.
thats a long way offshore with a skipper thats looking for a happy ending :0

[PROS]

Around 360kms direct from Hervey Bay.
It is a long trip to get there directly at once but the distance is nothing to be scared of for the boat in question, as long as weather behaves.
People who seriously fish 1770 easily cover this distance and much more over the course of a return trip.
Fishing offshore Moreton from Scrborough is roughly half this distance for a day fishing trip, so can be calculated as couple of Moreton trips and a bit more to get to Cato.
If fuel storage is not a questionable issue, I think distance is managable for a very dedicated person.
Definately not my cup of tea as I normally have enough of driving by the time I reach to Bulwar.

Saying this and having a look at the map, I dont see any hiding place along the way, one very deep see but nothing else where you can hide if weather turns bad and above the tolerances of the ship/crew which kills the idea for me, hence deters many people.
To me this is a trip where only pioneers would attempt with a relatively small boat and resources, people who wants to achieve a special place in the books and cant resist the adrenaline rush which overcomes any regards for family members unfortuntately.
The idea reminds me the story of Andrew McAuley who tried to cross AU-NZ with a kayak.
Koastal, I dont mean any disregard with these comments, just my generalisation.

Max

[PROS]

To me this is a trip where only pioneers would attempt

I apologiese for this misleading comment, the place looks well and truely discovered


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[Moejoes]

I've just installed long range bladders in my boat.
First trip Swains, then Cato, then Fiji and thinking of Hawaii to top it off.
Might see you out there ;D

[Back In Black]

I've just installed long range bladders in my boat.
First trip Swains, then Cato, then Fiji and thinking of Hawaii to top it off.
Might see you out there ;D

You missed New Caledonia;D;D

[Moejoes]

You missed New Caledonia;D;D

Is it on the way?

[scottar]

Is it on the way? LOL......don't forget the epirb. Reminds me of a bloke I sold a GPS to once. Needed it fitted in a hurry - was sailing for New Cal the next day. On completion of the install he says to me "So, how do the numbers line up to the map?" :o

[Moejoes]

LOL......don't forget the epirb. Reminds me of a bloke I sold a GPS to once. Needed it fitted in a hurry - was sailing for New Cal the next day. On completion of the install he says to me "So, how do the numbers line up to the map?" :o

He probably ended up in Tasmania ;D

[scottar]

He probably ended up in Tasmania ;D

North or South Island??

[shane450]

Soo did this trip ever happen ?

[Giveitacrack]

I fished with Oceanblue in Vanuatu a couple of years ago and one of the skippers told me they drove their two 32ft Edgewaters with twin 250 Yammies in tandem from Mooloolaba with fuel bladders or drums stopping at New Caledonia. He did not appear to be full of s##t but quite a serious sort of guy. I remember him saying they waited for a good weather window with the trip taking somewhere around 26-28hrs non-stop to Noumea, then just a "hop" up to Vanuatu (Port Havannah) northwest of Port Vila.