Outboard Motor Weights

[sportfish58]

G'day All. I have been looking into upgrading my Old 96 Model Johnson Ocean Runner 115HP outboard.
I am a little surprised at the weight of the current range of both 2 stroke and 4 stroke outboards in the 115HP.
I would of thought that new engines would be a lot lighter than my old engine(152Kg's).I understand the extra weight with 4 strokes with all the extra internals,
But would of thought new 2 Strokes to weight a lot less than my old engine.
With todays materials, metallurgy and ECU'S that engineers would make engines with smaller capacities and more power.
What are we paying for in a new engine, Not Technology. Cheers

[mitc69]

well put it this way... an infinite and skyline....
infinite G37 = 70-120k
skyline 370GT = 20-50k

half the bill is the name alone :) then 10% labor and 10% commission then leave your price for outboard which is fairly cheap
techno has gotten pretty far over years but it clearly there all still trying to made an SSD base motor like how the dyson fan is made... maybe when they break though that techno it might be ligther... otherwise there just less and less moving part with each release

[FNQCairns]

Yep the boating industry has gone nowhere this last 30-40 years except raid the pockets better over entire ownership of craft.

Heck I used to ski on a lake, fish inland rivers, fish impoundments and also fish deep sea each a different boat and not all ours all at the age of 5 obviously because my parents where into most things boating as the ultimate recreation....it really is.
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None of the experiences I was given through boating back then could actually be done better today, I would be none the better for it for the current crop of boats modernly.

We gone nowhere really, outboards are the same so much trite reasoning envelopes the industry...I blame marketing :)

That 96 model should be hardly run in yet if propped well throughout it's life already.

[Spaniard_King]

No one has put in any development into carby 2 strokes since the DFI engines were introduced, manufacturers could see the writing on the wall when EPA regulations came out at the same time

[Noelm]

don't quite agree with the outboard industry going nowhere in the last 30-40 years, I certainly would like to own and run (and have confidence in) a new 4 EFI stroke over an old carby Chrysler or tower of power Merc. Does anyone know (for sure this is, not a wild guess) how much a (say) 115 OMC was 35 years ago, and how much their weekly pay was, and how much a new 115 (say Honda) is and how much their pay is now?

[Dan5]

Funny my earliest memorys of boating are standing at the boat ramp at Lake Eppalock watching my Father and Grandfather standing around a Mercury with the cowling off trying to get it started for hours.

My uncle also owned a "cabin cruiser"....whatever that was back then with a Mercury and I remember standing at the same boat ramp watching the same scenario.....cowling off and lots of head scatching....

Maybe the weight of modern motors has not progressed at light speed but the reliability as a whole has.


Dan

[aussiebasser]

I can tell you that a 12' V12 Brooker with a 9.8hp Merc on a trailer was $995 in 1974, Dad would even throw in a couple of life jackets, paddles and a fire extinguisher. My pay when I started my first job at the end of 1974 was $75.00 a week. If you want to talk cars, my new 180B Datsun in August 1975 was $4443.00 on the road, with the $118 optional radial tyres.

With 13.25 weeks wages taken to buy the 12 footer, a new 375 Tinnie on a trailer with a 10hp 2 stroke should be over $20,000. A new Hyundai i30 should be a bit over $100,000, without aircon and stereo......

[myusernam]

115 merc four is pretty light and 2.1l. Etec is same block as yr 115, with more electrics. Hence weight

[Noelm]

I don't think an equivalent 3.75M tinnie with a 9-10HP 2 stroke would be anywhere near 20 grand, but I do see the comparison.

[Fed]

My new motor is nearly 30 Years old.
Super reliable, starts easy, goes like a rocket, light as a feather and only needs a grease once a year to service it.
I'd love a brand new 4 stroke but over capitalization kills that idea off.

[Chimo]

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