New trailer needed for 2400 kevlacat

[hookinin]

Ok its time to get a new trailer to go under the Kevlacat 2400 offshore and would like some feed back on steel verse alloy trailers. Also would like to here from anyone that has had anything to do with stainless brake set ups etc. Open to suggestions on trailer builders.

Gaven

[skipalong]

Gav, since going to alloy trailers under my boats I wouldn't ever go back, price for me wasn't too bad as i built myself but weight savings my the massive advantage, on my last 8m ally trailer i dropped 440kg over the steel unit, cost is up there on ally stuff but is purely in labour time,

[hookinin]

Thanks Justin, been a while since we crossed paths. It seems like the ideal time to make the change from steel to alloy/stainless just need some feedback from those who have had them and there must be a few that have been using them a while now.

[Back In Black]

My ally trailer is brilliant, particularly now it has brakes!!

[hookinin]

My ally trailer is brilliant, particularly now it has brakes!!

I don't know how much credibility you have when you didn't even know they weren't working::)::)but thankyou for your valued input :P

[Back In Black]

I don't know how much credibility you have when you didn't even know they weren't working::)::)but thankyou for your valued input :P

Oh, come on…………….

[rexaway123]

if u near Noosa you can see if you can source some of this special Stainless Wayne imports for his Nooscat trailers from Finland or something.
2101 grade specially formulated for extreme salt resistance and high strength /tensile so he uses this and there is big weight saving vs normal Gal steel trailer
I have this under my 2300 and a few yrs on still looks shiny new.
Can use lighter gauge giving the weight savings instead of hassles of building an alloy with huge beams for strength and bolting up.

Have stainless calipers and a new generation Sensabrake setup compatible with the motion sensing in car controllers, cannot fault it and drives like a dream

http://stainless-steel-world.net/pdf/SSW_leanduplex.pdf

[Short Fuse]

I would recommend you call Al and Tim Broughton at Sea-Trek Marine at Caloundra. I am very impressed with the ally trailer they put under my new boat. I have towed it loaded (2.8T) to and from Hervey Bay a couple of times now and has not given me any problems. The Sea-Trek 5900 Supersport is 2.495m wide so their trailer would be pretty spot on for the 2400Kc as well.

They have a finished trailer at the factory for the boat they are building at the moment if you want to take a look at one.

Cheers

Jeff

[hookinin]

Jeff,

I have seen some of Al & Tim"s trailers at the ramp a few times and they are one we would consider. Gav McMullen in Kunda park also does a nice alloy trailer. But do like the sound of Wayne's Noosacat trailers so this is very interesting.

Rexaway,
Thanks for that, it looks good and I'm glad I put up the post as some good info coming in.

Gaven

[Back In Black]

I don't know how much credibility you have when you didn't even know they weren't working::)::)but thankyou for your valued input :P

But doesn't it show how good the Range Rover is, & a RED one at that!!

[scottar]

But doesn't it show how good the Range Rover is, & a RED one at that!!

Any other colour Rangie probably wouldn't pull a trailer. Red ones go faster and harder. Everyone knows that.

[hookinin]

I just assumed range rovers didn't go fast enough to need brakes.

[scottar]

I just assumed range rovers didn't go fast enough to need brakes.

They usually don't go at all. ;D

[hookinin]

scottar we may have to wait for a while for a come back the last one took him about 9 hours;D

[scottar]

Probably in the garage fixing the Rangie;D

[Back In Black]

scottar we may have to wait for a while for a come back the last one took him about 9 hours;D

Oh, come on………….

[hookinin]

Probably in the garage fixing the Rangie;D

That's funnier than you realise. The only way he would be fixing something would be telling his maintenance man to fix it. I don't think he has a mechanical bone in his body. Sorry Tony but I bet you even laughed at his post.

[Back In Black]

Now that hurts!! Gaven, I just happen to realise my limitations, & work within them.I can make a lot more $$ per hour running my business than struggling to fix brake trailers, those things that I've been told that stop my trailer;D;D

And this shows how little you know me. I can actually fix ANYTHING, as long as I have charge in my mobile phone to ring the right person;D;D

Juna took me yesterday F Truck shopping. There is a new yard open just before Bunnings Maroochydore, so we went & had a good look around.
Those things are huge!! The 350 she was looking at is bigger than my first house:o:o

[hookinin]

F truck now your talking. Sounds like she wants to tow that boat around a bit more than just to Noosa. Maybe we are going to see Back in Black appear on JT's list. She really does spoil you.

[scottar]

Now you're talking. Sorry Tony, the Rangie makes you an easy target. Take a look at the Silverado and the Ram as well. I'd love one but it would involve a new house - garage is too small. On the original topic - that stainless sure looks interesting. Be good to compare the costings. I wonder if any muppet (me) can weld it with stick or it needs something specialised. My only concern would be leaving something that shiny at the ramp.

[hookinin]

Yes the stainless sure looks good and Danny call and suggested going to 4.5t running gear so its not running on the limit like the existing trailer. This thread has definitely given some good ideas so far and a bonus bit of fun at Tony's expense although he might come out the winner. I'm pretty sure the nursery could use a F Truck for carting plants around;);)

[Back In Black]

Now you're talking. Sorry Tony, the Rangie makes you an easy target. Take a look at the Silverado and the Ram as well. I'd love one but it would involve a new house - garage is too small. On the original topic - that stainless sure looks interesting. Be good to compare the costings. I wonder if any muppet (me) can weld it with stick or it needs something specialised. My only concern would be leaving something that shiny at the ramp.

Thats how it came about. Juna is going to get an extra double garage built, so she said you may as well build it to the size to fit a truck in.

What a girl!!

[scottar]

And she can fish besides. She's a keeper.

[soulfish]

I would certainly have another LDX2101 stainless trailer under my noosacat no problems at all....trouble is it will never need replacing.
Very happy I went that way,mine weighs 700kg with 2 spare wheels & hubs (weighed empty on bridge) & its tri axle.A gal steel trailer is 960kg & an over engineered alloy trailer I know of went 1060kg..all for the same boat of course.
I know you don't really need to save weight Gav ...but just another advantage.
Plus it always looks great..it does have a tea leaf effect when it dries after being dipped...but every few months I run over it with a steel soap pad & it brings it back shiny with very little effort.
Tony ring keith mate theres been talk he might be selling his f350...good truck!

[overdraft]

Thats how it came about. Juna is going to get an extra double garage built, so she said you may as well build it to the size to fit a truck in.

What a girl!!


I know a good builder.

[Back In Black]

I know a good builder.

A good builder would answer his phone & return messages!! LOL

[overdraft]

A good builder would answer his phone & return messages!! LOL

I never new you were trying to contact me.

[Back In Black]

I never new you were trying to contact me.

Sorry Danny, I was referring to Bannana.

He told me you were a cabaret dancer???

[Moejoes]

I never new you were trying to contact me.

It's a RED thing ;D

[tenzing]

I would certainly have another LDX2101 stainless trailer under my noosacat no problems at all....trouble is it will never need replacing.
Very happy I went that way,mine weighs 700kg with 2 spare wheels & hubs (weighed empty on bridge) & its tri axle.A gal steel trailer is 960kg & an over engineered alloy trailer I know of went 1060kg..all for the same boat of course.
I know you don't really need to save weight Gav ...but just another advantage.
Plus it always looks great..it does have a tea leaf effect when it dries after being dipped...but every few months I run over it with a steel soap pad & it brings it back shiny with very little effort.
Tony ring keith mate theres been talk he might be selling his f350...good truck!

Very jealous of the trailer, but just a quick thought
Have stainless handrail at home exposed to gum trees etc and needs a scrub regularly ( stainLESS not FREE ) Advice from the manufacturer is to always use a non metal scourer to brush, the tiny iron filings left from a steelo pad will cause corrosion due to different metal.
They gave me some green scourer that matches 600 grit finish on the railing.
You then rub a very light oil over it which extends the clean look. Not sure what kind of oil it is as they gave me a sample, but dont think it is critical
Cheers
Brendan

[soulfish]

Very jealous of the trailer, but just a quick thought
Have stainless handrail at home exposed to gum trees etc and needs a scrub regularly ( stainLESS not FREE ) Advice from the manufacturer is to always use a non metal scourer to brush, the tiny iron filings left from a steelo pad will cause corrosion due to different metal.
They gave me some green scourer that matches 600 grit finish on the railing.
You then rub a very light oil over it which extends the clean look. Not sure what kind of oil it is as they gave me a sample, but dont think it is critical
Cheers
Brendan

Thanks Brendon didn't think of that,but I have done it a few times now with no signs of rust but I get your point...I have used the green scourers as well & they work just as good.So will just stick with them in future.

[scottar]

Just stop being lazy Jason. Get out there with the Autosol and a nice soft cloth so you get it nice and shiny. Maybe even give it a buff. LOL

[ShaneC]

As Jason said, the staino trailer would be the lightest by a long shot, it would be interesting to find out the cost if the materials if you could get it. I know the 1060 kg alloy trailer well, I had a fair bit to do with building it and paid for it. Don't categorically write off alloy for staino though, I could've built mine significantly lighter but I was building for strength over weight and used very heavy running gear. If you source the staino, can you report back, I would like to compare the price over alloy for my next half finished project.

[soulfish]

As Jason said, the staino trailer would be the lightest by a long shot, it would be interesting to find out the cost if the materials if you could get it. I know the 1060 kg alloy trailer well, I had a fair bit to do with building it and paid for it. Don't categorically write off alloy for staino though, I could've built mine significantly lighter but I was building for strength over weight and used very heavy running gear. If you source the staino, can you report back, I would like to compare the price over alloy for my next half finished project.

Your always up to something mate...what a trailer for the crab/mackerel boat?

[ShaneC]

Yessir, one that'll go good up the beach.

[Moejoes]

Hi Gav,
Some info below for you to look at for weights of different metal sections per meter.
Bear in mind that your wheels, axles, hub & bearings won't change.
The only differences will be in the frame you build to mount on the under carriage to.
Also you need to consider if you decide aluminium, your wall thickness of the RHS will increase from 3mm to say 6mm.
You will loose half the strength of the aluminium at the welds due to the heat which will be subject to cracking & fatigue, so you will need to weld gusset / stiffener plates everywhere to strengthen ( aluminium does not like vibration ).
Where as with steel or stainless steel you should be able to just cut / butt & weld.
You will find that after doing the calc's on aluminium you will see it is just as heavy & more work to build.
I know this because I went through the same thing & after talking to my engineer we decided that the steel galvanised one was twice as strong as the aluminium & would be the same weight or slightly lighter.
My galvanised steel trailer engineered to 4.5ton came in at 900kg's when I ran it over the weigh bridge.
I never looked at the stainless option but probably should have :-?
Go for the stainless option if you can afford it.
Obviously you will still have the same problems as everyone else with bearing / brake maintenance.




Section:
kg/mtr







SS
150x75x5
16.3
RHS







100x50x3
6.95
RHS






Alum
152.4x63.5x6.35 6500
5.27
Channel







100x 50x6x9 6500
3.894
Channel







100x50x3.0 (6060-5) 6500
2.279
RHS







152x76x6 (6082-6) 6500
7.57
RHS






Steel
100x50x3
6.6
RHS
Add approx. 10% for galvanising



152x76x5
16.4
RHS
Add approx. 10% for galvanising












Hope this helps - Good luck ::)

[hookinin]

Rob,
Thanks for going to the trouble of doing that it did make it very easy to compare and its been great to talk to you guy that tow your heavy boats all over the place since we only travel short distances.
Cheers Gav

[hilta1]

Did anyone source the Stainless??? or who make the ones for Noosacat, are they made in house? will Noosacat make them to suit a KevlaCat??? Cheers and merry xmas

[hookinin]

Noosa cat wouldn't make one to suit Kevlacat but we are having a ally frame and stainless carrier, discs, calipars etc built at the moment. I can take a few pics when its finished if you like.


Gav

[hilta1]

That would be good if you could take some pics mate, thank you, cheers Mark

[Bremic]

Noosa cat wouldn't make one to suit Kevlacat but we are having a ally frame and stainless carrier, discs, calipars etc built at the moment. I can take a few pics when its finished if you like.


Gav

When you say frame and carrier, is the carrier the bit that holds and positions the boat on the trailer? Is there much risk of the stainless causing corrosion to the alloy frame.

[hookinin]

The trailer is all alloy frame and the stainless carrier is the part the suspension is attached too which is often with galvanised steel. it will also have stainless callipers and discs.

[hookinin]

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108467&stc=1http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108471&stc=1http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108472&stc=1http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108470&stc=1http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108468&stc=1http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108469&stc=1

Just a few picks of the end result

[ozynorts]

Nice but there's something missing mate.......

[scottar]

Nice but there's something missing mate.......

He was wondering why it seemed so easy to tow!!!!!!

[soulfish]

That is trailer porn Gav....You've given me a horn,nice job...what's it weigh?

[gofishin]

....You've given me a horn... Geeeezus Mate, lucky I wasn't eating when I read that! [emoji15] [emoji1]


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[Smithy]

Who ended up doing it Gav?

[perko]

Nice work. I have a KC2400 and the one thing I don't like about it is it did not come with an alloy trailer. Can you PM me who built it and the approx. cost?

[hookinin]

Yeah Rob, Gav built it

[hookinin]

Perko,

PM sent

[outta line]

Nice mate will look good under my new boat .. Lol.. What's it weigh? .. Can you pm me price aswell