LOG ON LOG OFF TRIP PLANNER - Free To Use.

[QF3 MROCP]

Over the years I have read different threads on the subject of there being no Volunteer Marine Radio (VMR) operators to take Log On/Log Off calls if your departure/arrival time is out of the VMR operating hours.

Right around Australia, the VMR’s are known as “Limited Coast Radio Stations” and are licensed by ACMA to operate their hours subject to local conditions.

Some people have criticised this and claim that they should be 24 x 7 x 365.

Fortunately, many knowledgeable “Ausfish” members reply by reminding others of the critical word in “VMR” – Volunteer.

This issue has been raised during marine radio courses and as a lecturer and promoter of such events, it got me thinking in recent times “why not provide a web-based simple process for Logging On and Logging Off?”

For those who know me or have attended one of my radio courses, you will also know the passion behind my actions to encourage skippers to be more responsible for their crew on the water. So what I have produced will not come as a surprise to them.

Over the weekend I released freely for public use the “LOG ON LOG OFF TRIP PLANNER” on www.vhfradiocourse.com (http://vhfradiocourse.com/log-on-log-off-trip-planner/) or www.logonlogoff.com.au (http://www.logonlogoff.com.au)

It is a web based template that allows you to lodge a trip plan with anyone (family, mates) with an email address who can monitor your LOG OFF time and date. This is just one way to get around the limited VMR operational hours.

Being via the internet, it will work in any area within mobile phone tower coverage or land line internet connection.

Please feel free to do “test” plans if you like as the information only goes to those on your email list – just alert them first that you’re not really going anywhere this time!

A couple of features are that both you and your “watch keepers” can set the time / day when you are due to return in your mobile phones’ calendar with an over-due alarm alert. The second feature is that you can photograph the vehicle, boat & trailer and upload the image from the phone to the template.

If there is anything that you think could improve the template, please drop me a PM or reply to the thread.

Please note very carefully; I am not providing this as a monitoring service, only as a template for responsible skippers to help manage their trip plans.

[LittleSkipper]

Well I think it is a fantastic idea. Nice job Peter.

[upstart]

Brilliant idea!

[Lucky_Phill]

Awesome. How good is this. ??

Thanks Peter, a commonsense and real world approach to boating safety.

I have just completed a dummy run. Worked a treat. Have given a family member or two the heads up.

Given this new addition to the safety network, a friendly reminder to all offshore boaties to keep your EPIRB ( 406 ) registered information up to date.

cheers Phill

[tunaticer]

Good effort there Peter, thanks.

I have often thought about a tracking app that sends back to base basic coordinates (2 decimal places) every 30 mins or so as a log of travels. You get in the boat and activate the app on your smart phone and log off when you return to the ramp. Possibly the app could auto log off when the launch coords are re-entered?? Would work for anyone tripping within mobile phone range of the coastline.

[thylacene]

Peter, a great concept that has a load of potential. Imagine how easy it could be if done on a national scale.

With almost everyone carrying a smart phone, an app that allowed log-in to a database that stores the majority of your info associated with your logon ID to avoid entering so much data each time.

AMSA and each of the state maritime authorities ought to kick the can, have it hosted in the cloud, and provide the local VMR guys with Internet access (wireless woudl be fine) so they can log in and monitor, with the option to handover to police or other authority after hours.

I like the suggestion of the GPS tracking function, but would have to be "opt in" to avoid privacy concerns. Potential for use of AIS but would require local equipment to receive and upload.

An SMS function to remind you, say half hour before and ten minutes after your planned return date, followed by an alert to a human to follow up ten minutes after. That would cater for the forgetful amongst us.

I live a long distance from the coast, and get minimal opportunity to interact with the VMR crew, so a cheque from a distance and after hours contributions to the tin on the bar at the club. Usually log on when they come on line, and they have a phone number for after hours logon. Mobile logon/logoff would be a great facility.

The big challenge would be getting the states and the VMR's on the same page, if that could happen, I reckon getting the govt (thru AMSA?) on board might not be that hard. I wouldn't be able to record when my pfd's are due for service, getting electronic reminders on EPIRB expiry, flares etc.

Cloud services are relatively easy to deliver in IT terms, and with well designed apps, uptake would be high. It is an election year, and I recall reading recently that the recreational fishing and boating industry is worth some 3 billion dollars a year.

Anyone else think it might be a winner?

[thelump]

Like this? Skip to 2.25min for the App bit.
http://youtu.be/SGw1-WY-3r0

[QF3 MROCP]

Thank you for all the encouraging comments. I am really keen to get the idea of getting your family or mates to be the watch keepers. History from a radio room perspective, is that many family members i.e. wives, have no idea where the skipper and boat have gone for the trip, no idea of vessel registration or even the colour and size of the boat.

App would be a bit easier along with a database to keep the info. Money for me at the moment is not possible which is why I went this path. Getting government money at the moment - let me know where the rainbow is.

Hopefully while the idea is free, skippers will use it, even the irresponsible ones may take it up if it is only to tell their wife and kids at home.

[thylacene]

Like this? Skip to 2.25min for the App bit.
http://youtu.be/SGw1-WY-3r0

Any idea what the app is called? Apple store search sucks

[QF3 MROCP]

http://www.coastguard.com.au/safetrx

It is a new one for Coast Guard (AVCGA) in Australia.

[TimiBoy]

Thus far, the idea of the year. Congratulations.

[LittleSkipper]

http://www.coastguard.com.au/safetrx

It is a new one for Coast Guard (AVCGA) in Australia.

How long before it is available on the Apple iTunes App Store?

[thelump]

The only downside I can see with this app is that your secret Spot X will now be common knowledge in the Coast Guard Tower!

[honda900]

I like the simplicity of the website, as Thy has pointed out though, it requires too many details for the average person to the point where they wont use it. Keep it simple, ask the questions that the VMR would ask on the radio. or create a logon database and store the users info in that.

Some Ideas;


Drop down list for the VMR that you wish to logon with, (use that as the key to send an email to that VMR org to monitor). By using a drop down list you wont get issues, such as VMR Manly harbour, as coastguard brisbane and VKQ447 operate from the same harbour.
Use the test data sets that you get from people testing it to fine tune it. Have a look at the data that is collected and see how relevant the answers are to the question. (round up a bunch of Ausfish guys to test for you).
Create Mobile version of the website, to allow for smart phone logon, that way you dont need to build an app and support and update it.
Add a print option, so you can leave a copy on the table for the Wife / Partner on the bench, or simply email it to an account.

A few things about the smart phone app, while it is a good idea;


Running a GPS on a phone will kill the battery on most smart phones over a day.
Some smart phones use Asssited GPS, which requries coverage
It Requires network coverage to monitor your location. As we know coverage can be hit and miss offshore.
Regards
HOnda.

[Kram71]

How long before it is available on the Apple iTunes App Store?

Safetrx is available for download now (appeared in the last few days).

[midcoast learner]

Is this only available for Queensland at the moment . I'm with the VMR NSW and that would be a great asset especially when skippers forget to log off , assists , rescues .

[QF3 MROCP]

Is this only available for Queensland at the moment . I'm with the VMR NSW and that would be a great asset especially when skippers forget to log off , assists , rescues .

The system can be used by anyone in the world who then just emails to their mate or maybe wife as an idea.

If a VMR, CG or a local rescue group have an email address, it could be sent to them to monitor.

One reason I built the template was because Austfish skippers in previous threads have commented on the fact that a lot of the rescue groups are closed when they leave the boat ramp and have no-one to tell. Another reason was to try and allow those leaving more remote "secret spots" to at least tell a friend with sealed lips (a non big brother watching).

The template is FREE and the more that use it we will not have the stupid cases that occurred recently in Moreton Bay when the overdue alarm was raised by FAMILY that hubby (ies) was not home. One resulted in rescue crews being called out at 11:30PM and finding them asleep onboard. Another where there the boys were having a quiet sunset beer onshore. Water Police, Helicopter, VMR not happy jan...

Any way.. IF YOU SAW WHAT WE SEE, YOU WON'T DO WHAT YOU DO..

Remember.. www.logonlogoff.com.au

Peter

[ch1ppy]

brilliant system Peter, simple but brilliant .


not sure if it would have helped these two blokes (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-28/two-missing-fisherman-found-alive-and-well/4848844), well it would have if they logged the info but they were so slack they probably would not have, didnt even have epirb or any other saftey equipment, let alone making a sea anchor ...i guarantee they invested in safety gear now!

they drifted 70klm for two days....stop talking because they feared the worse,,,said they had water but no food , apparently must have been out of luck or bad fisherman, as well as losing all their bait (i'd eat bait if i had to), its ok we can tease them now that they are OK, otherwise its like Bourke and Wills where they would have died from no food even though they are surrounded by fish and wildlife


cheers
chippy

[QF3 MROCP]

Just a thank you to those who are using the service and a reminder to those who don't tell anyone where you are going and where you're returning... Remember the poor VMR volunteer over the Easter weekend who has to console the wife and kids back on land because you're overdue.. With all the Log On Log Off services available, there really is no excuse...

www.logonloff.com.au - It's free to tell someone who cares...