View Full Version : Advice - 2nd hand boat for family moving to Torres Strait
jmurr160
29-11-2012, 12:07 AM
Hoping someone can help me before my wife and I get divorced.;)
We are moving to the Torres Strait (I am a teacher) and want to buy a boat. We've never owned a boat before, but everyone tells us they're a must: fishing, visiting other islands, etc. We've been looking for the last month or so and are starting to get over it. We would really appreciate some advice from people with more experience than us.
We have a young family (3yo and 1yo) and have pretty much decided on a cuddy cab (shelter, naps, playing, etc). We envisage making the 40km trip down to Thursday Island every now and then. We've been told that over summer, the conditions can be glassy but with heavy rain. In winter, it's much drier but there are strong winds and a short, sharp chop. We aren't fanatical fishermen (yet!) and are more concerned with safety/comfort for the children. We would prefer a 4-stroke for fuel economy and noise/pollution considerations. We would like to spend up to $30,000.
I would love any suggestions, considering our circumstances, on:
- fibreglass vs aluminium (I have almost settled on fibreglass)
- hull length (is 5.3m okay to make a comfortable 40km journey at a comfortable speed in so-so conditions. Should we be looking more around 5.7 - 6m)
- hull year (It looks like a challenge to find a longer boat less than 12yo with a 4-stroke. Should I ignore the dealers' comments that I shouldn't bother with a glass boat more than 20yo?)
To give you some sort of idea of the boats that I have been considering:
Smaller (newer) Fibreglass
2003, Haines Signature 540F, 115HP Mercury, $32,500 (https://www.tradingpost.com.au/Boats/Power-Boats/Power-Boats/AdNumber=TP005137981)
2004 Haines Hunter 530 Breeze, 115HP Yamaha, $33,990 (http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=12280770&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=2&eapi=2)
2002 Savage Mako 5.5, 115HP Mercury, $29,750 (http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13428332&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=0&eapi=2)
Larger (older) Fibreglass
1990 Haines Hunter 580c, 140HP Suzuki (2006), $20,500 (without trailer) (http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13537182&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=1&eapi=2)
Aluminium
1999 Quintrex 600 Offshore, 150HP Yamaha. $29,500 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mackenzie/motorboats-powerboats/1999-quintrex-600-offshore/1009450274)
2001 Quintrex 560 Spirit, 115HP Suzuki, $30,000 (http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13343858&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=0&eapi=2)
Would much appreciate any thoughts/advice.
BTW, not sure how many kid's fishing videos there are on YouTube, but someone who lived on the island we're going to posted the one below if anyone's interested.
Kids Fishing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfx5hPRa1vU&feature=channel&list=UL)
Cheers,
John
gofishin
29-11-2012, 03:10 AM
Hi John, other than the zuks, which of the Donks are 4/'s? Might help to confirm.
The 610 Q's are the better option over the 600's (thicker sides & bottoms), and the 560's were a much better ride than the 600. Big boats for the money but in crappy conditions give me glass any day. 540's are a great hull, but quite a bit smaller than say the 580c from memory. As always it will be a compromise.
Yes, older glass boats 'can' give you problems (with wood rot), but then so can newer ones (like 6-7yrs) if poorly looked after.
Cheers Brendon
Weapon of choice for the locals is a 19ft longboat with a 40 h.p. Yamaha 2 stroke. I'd confirm you can get a 4 stroke serviced when and where it needs servicing and parts. Do you have a car/trailer on your island to pull the boat out or will you antifoul it? Does the teacher you are replacing have a boat they might like to sell on? Any of those boats will do the run in good conditions, but the straits is wind, wind, and a little more wind. The tide fairly rips between the islands at TI and the wind over tide makes for a 'special' sort of FNQ chop that seems to go forever. I suppose if you have a boat before you go you'll get assistance to move it? Other than that, I'd be looking for a self bailing boat that will cope with the torrential downpours up there, especially if you are going to be leaving it in the water.
jmurr160
29-11-2012, 06:04 AM
All motors are 4 stroke. Thanks for the comments about the Quinnies. Like I said, we are leaning towards glass, although it would be great to know just how crappy the conditions can get up there and would we even be going out in them. I keep on promising all of our family and friends that if they can make their way to Horn/Thursday Island, I can come down and pick them up, which would mean that I wouldn't have a choice about which weather conditions to go out in. Maybe I should stop making these promises.:'(
Interesting to read your comment that newer ones can still have wood rot. I was told that with something like a HH or HS, "you can't go wrong", especially if they are <12yo.
Thanks again.
Feral
29-11-2012, 06:07 AM
What sort of service / repairs / parts will be available near where you will live?
That might influence what you buy as well.
jmurr160
29-11-2012, 06:27 AM
I've been told there is a Suzuki mechanic on Thursday Island. I am sure (or hoping) there will be bush mechanics on the island we're going to. In addition, anything can be shipped from Cairns at a price.
ozynorts
29-11-2012, 07:25 AM
A couple of others for you.
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13829668&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=14&eapi=2
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13818549&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=1&eapi=2
Be sure to get a professional to do a pre purchase check for you.
Enjoy the search and try to get out on some of the boats that you are looking at.
Cheers
Ozy
Crocodile
29-11-2012, 07:36 AM
Hello jmurr160,
First Wow! good on you for taking the plunge and having such an adventure. I hope that you and your family have a great time and get lots of good memories.
How long are you staying for?
On your island how will you get the boat in and out of the water?
Where will you get your petrol supplies from?
How much does petrol cost?
Where is the nearest outboard mechanic and what brands does he service?
What boats do the locals use? It might be a good idea to fit-in for re-sale purposes 2 or 3 years from now.
It might be worth going without a boat for the first term, checking out what the locals use and how you like them, and then making a purchase in the next lot of school holidays.
The-easyrider
29-11-2012, 07:38 AM
The guy in the vid lived on Ti for 6 years after breaking 2 6m Polly boats he settled on a cruise craft with a 140 suk no problems with servicing or maintenance there is more boat motors up that way than cars. And the fishing is insane
snapperdan
29-11-2012, 09:04 AM
I reckon go for the long boat with a 2 stroke.
Its bloody windy up there. They seem to perform well, i have done 60 mile open sea journeys in the solomon islands in scary conditions just bouncing from wave to wave. Maybe easier to get one from PNG, get the biggest one you can get.
jmurr160
29-11-2012, 09:34 AM
Thanks for all replies so far.
Ozy, hadn't considered Yalta, and both boats look like the sort of thing we're after, although the 550HC @ $36,700 is definitely stretching the budget.
Crocodile, some good questions. We are staying for a minimum of 2yrs. There is a ramp on the island but apparently nobody uses it and instead launches from the beach (we have just bought a 2001 Hilux and are trying to sell the Corolla!). Petrol is available on the island and last I heard it was ~$2/L. There are outboard mechanics on Thursday Island. I just rang one and was told that they only service Suzuki and Evinrude while the other mechanic does Mercury. I was told that anything else, incl Honda and Yamaha, gets sent down to Cairns at shipping of $1000 each way! I was a bit surprised that they don't touch anything else. Does this sound right?
I understand the locals all use open boats like Hooker from Cairns or tinnies. Also told the locals can spot the teachers/nurses from a mile away as they're the one in the cuddy cabs. Not much re-sale value there then. (Although 4WDs are a different story, with very high resale value).
Others have suggested going without a boat for the first term, especially as the department does a second "uplift" which would allow this. But my wife and I are the impatient sort and would prefer to have one straight away. Maybe we need to take some more "deep breaths"!
Crocodile
29-11-2012, 11:40 AM
Hello jmurr160,
from what you say I would go with a Hooker centre console.
Have a folding canopy made in the style as in the photo.
It will keep the sun, spray and rain off the kids and can be folded or removed when not in use.
Have a really big sun canopy as well.
I am sure that a trimmer in Cairns will be able to make canopies to fit.
Sun protection would be the big issue in the tropics.
Go with whatever make of motor can be serviced locally.
Such a setup will improve re-sale at the end of two years.
86657
Crunchy
29-11-2012, 01:05 PM
I reckon go for the long boat with a 2 stroke.
Its bloody windy up there. They seem to perform well, i have done 60 mile open sea journeys in the solomon islands in scary conditions just bouncing from wave to wave. Maybe easier to get one from PNG, get the biggest one you can get.
I guess I'm a bit biased but that's what I would do too....good in the chop, highly seaworthy when the sea kicks up, easy on fuel, self draining deck through big scuppers (For the heavy rains), easy to launch and retrieve, good resale opportunities as they seem to be popular up that way (Just watch a few episodes of "The straights"). You can service your own 2-stk motor quite effectively with a few tools and a little tuition. Chuck a cover on like Crock suggested and your done.
jmurr160
29-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Croc, thanks for the idea of the canopy for the centre console, you've got me interested. Unfortunately I couldn't open your attachment. Is it possible to try again? Cheers.
Crocodile
29-11-2012, 05:57 PM
86667Hello jmurr160
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ozynorts
29-11-2012, 06:26 PM
Hey croc you need to do an advanced reply to insert a pic.
Ozy
Crocodile
30-11-2012, 06:22 AM
How about this;
86680 86679
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 06:28 AM
Yep that works.
jmurr160
30-11-2012, 06:58 AM
Thanks Croc - I understand what you mean now. I am guessing that you would also put a full bimini/hardtop over the rest of the boat. Also thinking that the front "cabin" would have to be quite low profile to get good viz.
We had a look at a 2003 HS 600F yesterday. It looked perfect except it was $10,000 more than we wanted to spend. We are now thinking about buying an older 6m boat or getting a newer one around the 5.4m mark.
Checking out two more on Saturday, the Savage Mako 5.5 and HS 540F that are both linked to in my first post.
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 07:09 AM
Here is a long boat.
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13804973&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=11&eapi=2
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 07:12 AM
and another
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=12983901&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=2&eapi=2
This one has been for sale for a while so the seller may be keen for a sale.
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 07:17 AM
and another, a bit more money though.
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13515776&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=0&eapi=2
snapperdan
30-11-2012, 07:24 AM
I guess I'm a bit biased but that's what I would do too....good in the chop, highly seaworthy when the sea kicks up, easy on fuel, self draining deck through big scuppers (For the heavy rains), easy to launch and retrieve, good resale opportunities as they seem to be popular up that way (Just watch a few episodes of "The straights"). You can service your own 2-stk motor quite effectively with a few tools and a little tuition. Chuck a cover on like Crock suggested and your done.
also the type of fishing you do up there.
you need 360 fishability. spanish, cobes, jew, longtail, gt, queenies. Its sport fishing paradise. PLus the rivvers for barra etc. All the fish come in the jumbo size range and will run you around in circles. You will basically never put a bait down as of sharks.
If money were no abject these 2 the aeon 23 and barracuda 27 would be the bomb. both float in less than a foot and are somewhat based on the yamaha design. but thats not the case.
here is a nice longboat built in vanuatu decked out for serious fishing. http://sportfishvanuatu.com.vu/custom-built
jmurr160
30-11-2012, 07:50 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. Our primary consideration is for a family boat, although maybe after fishing up there for a while that may change!!
Family considerations include:
- where to put our 10 month old, who will soon be walking and doing all sorts of other toddler things (climbing, falling, exploring)
- where to put our 3yo
- both children are fair skinned (their mother is a red-head)
I became sold on the idea of a cuddy cab when I plonked both children onto the bunks in one last weekend. It just looked really easy/natural/comfortable.
boatboy50
30-11-2012, 08:43 AM
Hey Mate,
Have a look at this one.
http://coastalpowerboats.boatpoint.ninemsn.com.au/boats-for-sale/details.aspx?R=13698014
It has the fuel economy of a four stroke, performance of a two, and it's all only a few years old, yet still within your budget.
Call Darren for further info.
Crunchy
30-11-2012, 09:42 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. Our primary consideration is for a family boat, although maybe after fishing up there for a while that may change!!
Family considerations include:
- where to put our 10 month old, who will soon be walking and doing all sorts of other toddler things (climbing, falling, exploring)
- where to put our 3yo
- both children are fair skinned (their mother is a red-head)
I became sold on the idea of a cuddy cab when I plonked both children onto the bunks in one last weekend. It just looked really easy/natural/comfortable.
Yeh I think your right there buddy, in our CC I chuck a mttress up the front and the kids settle onto that under a blanket quite happy but my kids are a bit older so when I say "Sit down" they do....when they were younger it was a pain in the butt trying to keep them from climbing out of the boat......your right...a cabin style boat is your best option with the younger kids.
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 09:51 AM
That's why we went for the cuddy as well. That boat that boatboy50 put up looks good. I would check it out too. The guys at Coastal are good guys IMO and will look after you.
Cheers
Ozy
honda900
30-11-2012, 01:25 PM
Jmurr160,
Firstly as someone else said, it is windy around the torres for the best part of the year. TI, has mechanics that are able to service boat engines, be prepared to pay through the nose for it though.
A Centre Console with a family in a one metre chop with 15-20, will not be a great family experience. My old man lived on Horn Island for a while so I did a a couple of trips up there. The old man had the smaller yalta the 535 which was good as he was able to put it in the water himself, however bad when windy as the boat ramp was very esposed making it difficult to launch and retrieve by himself.
Now one other thing to consider is fuel tank and range, some of thos islands while mostly close in bad weather can be a long way away, so make sure the boat you get has a reasonable tank size (ps, fuel last time I was up there was nearly 2.00ltr and that was more than 5 years ago).
There is some good fishing to be had by the same token. As a new boat owner you may want to buy an older glass boat or ally or plastic, because you will scratch it up some learning the ropes.
It is a nice part of the world though.
Regards
Honda.
866908668986688
jmurr160
30-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Thanks boatboy50 for the link. We have been mainly looking at 4-strokes but have been considering something like an etec or optimax, especially as servicing is available for both up there. Now I just have to spend a couple of hours reading all the squillions of posts debating the merits of 4-stroke vs etec vs optimax. I bought the Websters 2nd hand trailer boat Buying Guide and I reckon he did a good, unbiased comparison. I liked at the end of the article, however, where he said something like, "There's a reason why you see 4-strokes on most of the commercial boats", or something like that. Anyway, I'll do some more research tonight on outboards and we might end up broadening our search to include the newer 2-strokes. There'll certainly be a lot more boats to choose from. Cheers, John
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 04:53 PM
Just a question for everyone. Why has no one suggested a cat for up there?
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results.aspx?eapi=2&sort=default&vertical=Boat&silo=Stock&base=604+896&N=606%204294908678%2079%201586%201587+1599%201588% 200&Range=Price:Min,Max
Cheers
Ozy
ozynorts
30-11-2012, 05:00 PM
This cat is already on TI.
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=13677470&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=0&eapi=2
snapperdan
30-11-2012, 05:58 PM
Just a question for everyone. Why has no one suggested a cat for up there?
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results.aspx?eapi=2&sort=default&vertical=Boat&silo=Stock&base=604+896&N=606%204294908678%2079%201586%201587+1599%201588% 200&Range=Price:Min,Max
Cheers
Ozy
that dreaded north qld chop perhaps
jmurr160
30-11-2012, 07:27 PM
Hope this is not too stupid a question, but what does the "dreaded north qld chop" mean? I thought cats were supposed to handle this sort of thing better?
Jarrah Jack
30-11-2012, 07:48 PM
Hope this is not too stupid a question, but what does the "dreaded north qld chop" mean? I thought cats were supposed to handle this sort of thing better?
Its only cats with etec's that find it difficult.;)
Darren Mc
30-11-2012, 11:08 PM
Hi jmurr160,
Speaking from my experience and from what i've heard from a lot of other people and an actual etec dealer.
Mate don't go down the etec path for god sake. As they get older and out of warranty that's when they are worth nothing and you'll have to pay for all the expensive repairs yourself. Don't go there. 4 stroke is the go, for economy and reliability. Go with the brand that you can get support and get servicing the easiest.
As for the boat, get the biggest glass cuddy or half cabin you can afford that has high sides, deep vee(21 degrees minimum) and a long range fuel tank and if possible trim tabs aswell. Trim tabs really help to get the nose down to cut through chop and help level out the boat in wind etc. They are worth there weight in gold i think. A storm cover for when your not in the boat to operate the bilge pump would be handy too.
IMHO with all these things combined you should be able to handle some good chop.
Ps. A Yalta would be a good choice as you can get a pretty new boat at a reasonable price around what you are willing to pay.
Hope this info helps..
I'd seriously suggest not buying anything until you get there. Guessing by the distances you are talking, you'll be on Moa/Badu? Your suggestion of popping over to TI/Horn to pick up mates is fanciful in the boat size you are talking. Mates will visit in the dry season when its blowing. Better to use the water taxi or just a connection flight (light planes are taxis up there - kids fly to school). Let me give you some perspective - we used a 27 foot 4tonne aluminium jet boat to get around up there. There were plenty of days that we couldn't get it onto a full plane at all from being smashed in the wind over tide chop, so we just had to smash it for hours getting saturated. Granted we worked by a calendar not by weather forecast so it wasn't like we had much choice, but similarly you're not going to just nick off to TI whenever you want to go shopping or pick up mates, in an 18 foot boat. There's proper open water to be covered, and there's plenty of locals gone missing never to be seen again on that run. I'd suggest you are looking for too many applications out of the one boat. You can get a boat that will 'occasionally' run into town and be a good local runabout for the money you are talking, in which case you won't be 'at sea' for long enough periods to warrant using a cabin/cuddy (they are useless when underway anyway). I'd suggest in the long run you'd value an open self draining deck more highly. Like I said, instead of guessing and making a wrong decision, spend some time there and see the lay of the land with the engine choices and hull choices that the locals make.
(P.S. the NQ chop/etec quips are just pisstakes from old threads - don't let them confuse you.)
Nicko_Cairns
23-12-2012, 09:14 PM
having lived up there before I'd go up for six months without a boat and see what's for sale, there's so many boats up there that i bought one when i was up there and there were a few to choose from. Popey is a Suzuki mechanic on TI, there was a bloke that did Yammies too, you'd have to ask around though, this his name was Bill.
never heard of a polycraft actually cracking except one small crack on one that wasn't on TI.
if you later choose a boat from Cairns phone Seaswift for a rough quote on shipping, used to be about $1K from memory.
good luck, great part of the world.
alukey
06-01-2013, 12:07 PM
Have a great boat for sale that would suit you perfectly.. Its in Cairns as well, negotiable on the price..
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=14011838&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=2&eapi=2
NTMID8
06-01-2013, 05:17 PM
Haines signature 575f fits your criteria. The SVDH makes is ride nicer in chop, most have toilets fitted, is a cuddy cab, nearly 6m long, decent ones can be found for between 30 - 35k.
Seriously mate have a real good think about GBC & Nicko have posted. TI is a different part of world, and some first hand experience would be a valuable thing. I would definately be thinking of something seaworthy, robust and low maintance and also very economical on fuel. you may find the facilities leave a bit to be desired depending on where your launching from. if you must have a cabin boat I would suggest something with a walk through or walk around cabin and my preferance would be for a pontoon style boat in Ali or plastic. nothing wrong with glass but it needs more care to look after in the 18-20 ft range your looking at the ride differance won't be that great at the speeds you would be travelling, i'm sure to get flamed on this but if your have little kidz on board you seriously wont be going fast enough in the rough to get the best from a deep vee glass anyway. The hardest part of buying a boat is knowing exacltly what you will be doing and what you won't be doing. I'm guessing you won't be trying to do more than 20-22 kts into any sought of a sea with kidz on board more likely 12-15kts if you can get a clean plane and good economy.
Just my thoughts, good luck and tight lines.
BigE
tunaticer
06-01-2013, 06:52 PM
Both you and your wife being the impatient types will not bode you well in a foreign environment. You will have to learn to live in TI time for a start, then you will have to learn from the locals about what works best and why it does. Buying before you go will give you a 90% chance of the bad decision.
AFE666
06-01-2013, 08:19 PM
GBC is right on the money.. that area has some serious tidal movement, big winds and can change in an instant.. This is serious boating, for dudes that have been on the water for hundreds even thousands of hours.... i'd imagine you probably wouldnt have VMR/patrol coverage like what you get on the mainland... boating on those waters is no joke and i wouldnt think about travelling 30-40 k's one way without an awesome Deckie and local experience (And a massive fuel tank).. As GBC said, its open sea, and kids.... i wouldnt even contemplate having young ones on board until i was fully confident of my ability... thats just my 2 cents.. Having said that, you may think to take baby steps, little bit at a time... At $2 a litre it would be cheaper to fly anyway haha..
Gon Fishun
06-01-2013, 11:45 PM
Just a question for everyone. Why has no one suggested a cat for up there?
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results.aspx?eapi=2&sort=default&vertical=Boat&silo=Stock&base=604+896&N=606%204294908678%2079%201586%201587+1599%201588% 200&Range=Price:Min,Max
Cheers
Ozy
That boat is still for sale. Will except $17000. Found it on face book garage sale.
ronmac
07-01-2013, 07:51 AM
Being from down south and not having any know how about long boats, why are they rated so highly, My thoughts were being long and skinny they would snap in half. Excuse my ignorance. cheers Ron.
snapperdan
07-01-2013, 08:27 AM
Being from down south and not having any know how about long boats, why are they rated so highly, My thoughts were being long and skinny they would snap in half. Excuse my ignorance. cheers Ron.
from wikipedia
The Panga is a type of modest-sized, open, outboard-powered, fishing boat common throughout much of the developing world, including Central America, the Caribbean, parts of Africa, the Middle East, and much of Asia. The original panga design was developed by Yamaha as part of a World Bank project circa 1970. Pangas are commonly operated directly off of beaches. The name derives from a type of fish that many of the fisherman using them caught. In addition to being used by fishermen, pangas are also popular with Somali pirates.
Key features of the panga design are a high bow, narrow waterline beam, and a flotation bulge along the gunwale, or top edge of the hull. The high bow provides buoyancy for retrieving heavy nets, and minimizes spray coming over the bow. The narrow beam allows the hull to be propelled by a modest-sized outboard motor. The flotation bulge along the gunwale provides increased stability at high angles of roll. These features link the panga design to traditional Japanese wasen fishing boats.
The original Yamaha panga design had a length of 22 feet (6.7 m), and a waterline beam of approximately 5 feet 6 inches (1.7 m). The flotation bulge at the gunwale increased the overall beam to approximately 6 feet 6 inches (2.0 m).
Pangas are usually between 19 and 28 feet (5.8 and 8.5 m) in length, with capacities ranging from 1 to 5 short tons (0.89 to 4.46 long tons; 0.91 to 4.54 t) and powered by outboard motors of between 45 and 200 hp (34 and 150 kW). Their planing hulls are capable of speeds in excess of 35 knots (40 mph; 65 km/h).
The hulls are made of Fiberglass or FRP, heavily reinforced by numerous bulkheads, and usually have bow and stern enclosed flotation compartments.
In the hands of an experienced operator they are considered extremely seaworthy. Most pangas are expected to have a working life of between 5 to 10 years if properly maintained.
ozynorts
07-01-2013, 06:45 PM
Most pangas are expected to have a working life of between 5 to 10 years if properly maintained.
My guess is that this guy isn't that experienced....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBRCrY74knw
snapperdan
07-01-2013, 07:28 PM
i was surfing in sri lanka 5 -6 years back and thats the way they do it.
These vids show it done nice but saw a few fxxx ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YavfsmwMIJw
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