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Yellowjack
08-03-2012, 01:34 AM
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Yellowjack
08-03-2012, 03:35 PM
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Funchy
08-03-2012, 04:32 PM
Just watched it with my missus and 4 kids. We are in. This needs to be stopped and we can stop it if we all do something about it! Thanks Jacko

Axl
08-03-2012, 04:46 PM
There is no doubt that this man is a pig and should be stopped, but there is bit more to this story. Below was extracted from the Daily Telegraph. Here is the link to the article. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/campaign-to-arrest-war-criminal-joseph-kony-goes-viral/story-e6frev00-1226292986044

But not everyone has fallen in love with KONY 2012. Some are raising doubts as to whether social media is an appropriate forum for advocacy and fund-raising.
Blogs, such as Visiblechildren.tumblr, implore people to research the facts before putting their names to the cause.
"Do I have a better answer? No, I don't, but that doesn't mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it's something. Something isn't always better than nothing. Sometimes it's worse."
African expert Dr Tanya Lyons says it sounds like KONY 2012 is "cashing in" on a problem that's been around for 20 years, and she warns that there is no simple solution.
"I love Australian democracy and isn’t it wonderful that we have the choice to click on this link to make us feel better," the Flinders University senior lecturer told The Punch.
"But they’re not heroes for clicking on a link. They're just lazy. And giving money won't help."

Born in 1988 from the frustrations against the government of Uganda's marginalized Acholi ethnic group, the LRA has since dropped its national political agenda for the narrow objective of pillage and plunder.
Kony, whose movement draws on messianic beliefs and a smattering of Christian motifs, is wanted by the International Criminal Court.
The rebels currently number several hundred, a fraction of their strength at their peak but still include a core of hardened fighters infamous for mutilating civilians and abducting children to act as soldiers and sex-slaves.

Funchy
08-03-2012, 04:54 PM
Would be careful with my money as far as donations go but more than happy to spread the word via social media and stay in touch with it. Cant believe it is a total scam and if old mate makes a few dollars from stopping this so be it, better than the Kardashians getting rich on what they contribute to society my 2c anyway

TheRealAndy
08-03-2012, 06:16 PM
I would not put money to it, that org spends about 80% of their income on media and advertising. But its good to see this vid, might put a bit of pressure on govs to stop it. This guy has been doing this shit for a long time. There was a doco on fox a few years back about him.

Camhawk88
09-03-2012, 09:41 AM
The US have had troops in Uganda for some time to knock over the KOnys army or at least offer some protection. I fail to see that this group will do anything of significance other than raise awareness (which is not an insignificant thing!) I agree with the cause but will not donate as I see it as a carbon tax- a feel good exercise to grab guilt money so people feel like they are contributing but with absolutely no tangible impact. I believe Kony has since left Uganda and is now in the ARC.
JJJ Hack did a good piece on it yesterday- get on the website and download the podcast if you want some more in depth info.

Lucky_Phill
13-03-2012, 07:29 AM
Why do the " white " folks think they have the right to interfer in our countries issues, when those countries are attempting to do something about these things, themselves.

IMO.......... it's a scam by the organisers.

I do not condone what some evil people do in this world, but really, will sending a few dollars to these scammers make a difference ? except of course, to make you all " touchy / feely " i've done good !!!!!!!


LP

Fafnir
13-03-2012, 07:38 AM
“Suggesting that the answer is more military action is just wrong,” said Javie Ssozi (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/9132991/Joseph-Kony-2012-Obama-administration-congratulates-success-of-campaign.html), an influential Ugandan blogger.

“Have they thought of the consequences? Making Kony ‘famous’ could make him stronger. Arguing for more US troops could make him scared, and make him abduct more children, or go on the offensive.”

Triple
13-03-2012, 08:55 AM
http://i.imgur.com/K3mgn.jpg

Triple
13-03-2012, 09:01 AM
Copied from elsewhere -
The video itself is a good piece of emotional porn but that's about it. It's honestly NOT worth the 30 minutes when you find out somethings about the organization that is doing this [Invisible Children].
First of all, the guy who made that film get's paid $90,000 a year. That's for him and his family. This does not include him paying costs for film equipment, video editting software, nor does it cover travel or accomodations whilst in anywhere else. Those are all covered under the ludicrous budgets that the Invisible Children organization actually deal with. Let's go to that now. Here are some expenses from CharityNavigator.:
Compensation of Leaders | % of Compensation relative to amount of money made by IC | Title
$88,241 | 0.99% | Ben Keesey - CEO
$89,669 | 1.00% | Jason Russell - Co-Founder/Filmmaker
$84,377 | 0.94% | Laren Poole - Co-Founder/Filmmaker

Revenue
Total Contributions: $10,334,060
Program Service Revenue: $3,423,351
Total Primary Revenue: $13,757,411
Other Revenue $7,769
TOTAL REVENUE: $13,765,180

Expenses
Program Expenses: $7,163,384
Administrative Expenses: $1,444,570
Fundraising Expenses: $286,678
TOTAL FUNCTIONAL EXPENSES: $8,894,632

Payments to Affiliates $0 Excess (Or deficit) for the year: $4,870,548
Net Assets $6,584,811
As if that isn't bad enough, they've refused to Co-operate with the Better Business Bureau, Their transparancy rating is fairly low on Charity Navigator, and allegations of fraud. HuffingtonPost has an article on it here.
Besides, they make a fairly large point about sending money to the Ugandan Military. This is a big no no for a couple of reasons. First of all, Kony isn't even in Uganda. Funding a military that has no real authority over another country to LOOK in other countries, is a moronic idea to begin with. Secondly, the Ugandan military is already using this as an excuse to enter other countries and exploit resources from surrouding areas. The Government of Uganda is full of criminals that are worse than Kony himself. Not to mention the bloody PRESIDENT of Uganda is responsible for millions of deaths. Then you've got allegations coming out that Kony is already dead. The LRA (Konys ragtag bunch of #######s) isn't that large, or all that active.
The worst thing about Invisible Children (In my opinion) is that they lobbies for DIRECT MILITARY INTERVENTION IN AFRICA. After all of the terrorist hunts in the Middle East, and having troops stuck in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't you think that the people would have learned by now that having troops in another country to hunt one ####### isn't exactly the best idea? Especially when some of the Republicans believe that invading Iran is a fairly good idea at the moment. There are SERIOUS issues with this group, issues that people are overlooking. I will admit that at first I was already on Twitter and ready to bitch at people about the injustice that's being served in other countries and then I decided to look into the organization. The information is there, and willing, but people are fearful to even look. Fearful, lazy, or just swept up by the movement. Injustice exists in the world. It is damn stupid, and it sucks ass, but that's the nature of this planet at the moment. Humanity, since rising from the primordial ooze, has killed people over far less than anything you could imagine. Then there's the fact that if Kony is alive, and the ICC, or International Criminals Court, manages to put him on trial, what's it going to achieve? Numerous war criminals have stood trial before the ICC. This isn't a game of chess. You don't topple a pawn and move on. The pawns replicate. It's like fighting a hydra. If you slice off one head, more are going to pop up in it's place. You remove one player, and 10 others will appear. Hell, there's a case to be made that awareness driven ngos perpetuate the current state of afafairs and are an intergral part of the current system of global unfairness. They ovver placebos for guilty consciences and as such, they don't change anything. If you think of large entites such as Global Corporations, conglomorates and powerful nation states that capitalize on injustice, corruption and disorganization and exploit the poor for their resources and manpower, the best thing that could happen to them are programs such as this. There's a lot of reasons why Invisible Children has a good idea of what they're doing, but FAR too much on the opposite sides of the scales to tip myself (and no doubt others) into not bothering with this group and it's practices.

Yellowjack
13-03-2012, 09:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRx8aXaJ_Cs

Ceo's response to comments about their Finance

nathank
13-03-2012, 01:43 PM
The thing is... it costs a fortune to market to our lazy lifestyle... to get anything into the spot light needs funding the size of a small country.. so if 20% is around all that gets out there well surely thats better than 100% of bugger all. I have read alot of the good and bad about the org.
The answer does seem pretty simple in stopping this bloke... pretty similar to the way they stopped Pablo.. good old military interevention and shoot to kill....

Camhawk88
13-03-2012, 01:56 PM
The thing is... it costs a fortune to market to our lazy lifestyle... to get anything into the spot light needs funding the size of a small country.. so if 20% is around all that gets out there well surely thats better than 100% of bugger all. I have read alot of the good and bad about the org.
The answer does seem pretty simple in stopping this bloke... pretty similar to the way they stopped Pablo.. good old military interevention and shoot to kill....

Trouble is they have tried this a few times. Each time they havent been able to find him (look how long it took them to find sadam and Osama with 10 000s of troops). And each time they have tried he has responded by slaughtering 1000s of civilians in retribution once they left the country. Not quite as simple as that unfortunately. The US also has bigger fish to fry. As bad as this prick is there are many more countries suffering atrocities on larger scales. One only needs to look at Zimbabwe and the US arent intersted in that.

nathank
13-03-2012, 02:35 PM
Trouble is they have tried this a few times. Each time they havent been able to find him (look how long it took them to find sadam and Osama with 10 000s of troops). And each time they have tried he has responded by slaughtering 1000s of civilians in retribution once they left the country. Not quite as simple as that unfortunately. The US also has bigger fish to fry. As bad as this prick is there are many more countries suffering atrocities on larger scales. One only needs to look at Zimbabwe and the US arent intersted in that.

Pleeeeease.. He is in Africa with no where near the funding or technology of those you have mentioned.. If they sent in a team and the technology it would take em a month at best.
bigger fish.. yeah maybe true but i guess this one has resonated with the general public...
Really bad things have happened that have never got the attention that it deserved ..remember Rwanda?? it was basically genocide and at the time a cat up a tree getting rescued would have got more attention.
Again to make a comparison to Pablo.. He did the same thing, any move against him caused retribution especially from foreign sources...

so they should just leave him be then? Is that what your saying?? i dont get it?

Camhawk88
13-03-2012, 02:51 PM
YEah maybe they should look him up in a phone book and go round his house. Maybe do a drive by.
If you care to look into it a bit more you will find the US have sent in troops after him and have failed on a number of occasions. He is a slippery customer with a good knowledge of the jungle.
Whats that other place with jungle? Vietnam? Yeah thats right SFA technology those guys had and still kicked the US armys arse.
Rowanda was quite well publicised as I remember- unfortunately they had the blody useless UN in there ' keeping the peace.'

Im not saying nothing should be done but your simplistic view of ' lets send in the military and shoot to kill' is not going to get the job done mate it is far more complex than that- as has been proven in this case more than once.
I know donating to this fund isnt going to do jack shite- the best they can do is raise awareness and I think with 70mill + hits they have probably peaked and further funding will not have much more effect.

nathank
13-03-2012, 03:07 PM
My simplistic view is when you strip all the bull%$#! aside its what needs to be done..

So further funding wont help with their infrastructure?? schools medical centers etc etc??

Un peacekeepers pffftttt yeah agreed useless... they probably needed military intervention.... weird hey.

PinHead
13-03-2012, 05:34 PM
The thing is... it costs a fortune to market to our lazy lifestyle... to get anything into the spot light needs funding the size of a small country.. so if 20% is around all that gets out there well surely thats better than 100% of bugger all. I have read alot of the good and bad about the org.
The answer does seem pretty simple in stopping this bloke... pretty similar to the way they stopped Pablo.. good old military interevention and shoot to kill....

you ready to sign up and go and get him?

He has been in the news for ages.

Once you get him you can head a bit south and get Mugabe also.

After you have done that there is always the Colombian and Mexican cartels that need some tidying up.

And..of course there is Iran..this list could be endless...then a quick stop in Israel and take their military out also.

You are gunna be one busy boy...dunno when you will get time to fish again.

nigelr
13-03-2012, 06:52 PM
I like the basic ideal, I'll spread the vid.
As far as sending $, my wife and I have had foster children in Bolivia with Plan International for nearly 30 years, it's as close as I'll ever come to religion.
It's just another choice to make, no big deal, do something, do nothing.

Feral
13-03-2012, 07:00 PM
I cant believe this crap is on the front page when I log in to Ausfish.
African Despots come and go, been plenty before and will be plenty more - care factor zero.

Triple
13-03-2012, 07:06 PM
Where did all my pics go?

Linedropper
13-03-2012, 07:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/K3mgn.jpg

+1

I posted that somewhere else on here last week. All a big scam in one way or another.

nathank
14-03-2012, 08:54 AM
you ready to sign up and go and get him?

He has been in the news for ages.

Once you get him you can head a bit south and get Mugabe also.

After you have done that there is always the Colombian and Mexican cartels that need some tidying up.

And..of course there is Iran..this list could be endless...then a quick stop in Israel and take their military out also.

You are gunna be one busy boy...dunno when you will get time to fish again.


he has been in the news for ages hey pinhead??.. well i dunno mate but maybe im just igonrant or asleep all the time but hands up ppl on here that have heard of him outside of last month......

Am i gunna go sign up to get him... wow prob the most ridiculous question so far on the forum.. ummm.. yeah sure pin head.. i might just duck out get my special forces qualifications and go get him....
It just amazes me i guess that when ppl actually get off their butts and go do something good their is always others out there condemning it....
As far as your list goes though mate... we arent talking about taking out a military force its about 700 strong.. its not even in the same ballpark...

So dont send in the military to kill him then??? is that what you mean???

Fafnir
14-03-2012, 10:13 AM
It just amazes me i guess that when ppl actually get off their butts and go do something good their is always others out there condemning it....

I don't see what that comment has to do with the Kony video, seeing as it's very debatable that anything 'good' has been done by it.

PinHead
14-03-2012, 11:56 AM
The thing is... it costs a fortune to market to our lazy lifestyle... to get anything into the spot light needs funding the size of a small country.. so if 20% is around all that gets out there well surely thats better than 100% of bugger all. I have read alot of the good and bad about the org.
The answer does seem pretty simple in stopping this bloke... pretty similar to the way they stopped Pablo.. good old military interevention and shoot to kill....

don't ya think that enough service people have died recently in chasing unachievable goals??? yet you think more should be sent to stop him.

I also read a lot and his name has been mentioned a bit over the years. Another African rogue as there are and have been many..how about Amin in Uganda before this bloke.

As others have mentioned, the Hutus and Tutsis.

A while before that the uprising of the Kikuyus in Kenya.

would military intervention work ? I doubt it. Damn difficult to capture a man in his own domain ..ask the NSW Police about that one.

It is easy to sit back and suggest militray intervention but why should other countries continually lose their people in trying to subdue others.

nigelr
14-03-2012, 02:53 PM
I don't see what that comment has to do with the Kony video, seeing as it's very debatable that anything 'good' has been done by it.

Not directly perhaps fafnir, but personally I think it is good that it has shown a lot of idealistic youngsters that they matter, and their voices can be organised and given attention and respect.
Also the power of the 'facebook' generation, if you will. I'm not a member myself, but I can conceive of it being a tool for the betterment of us all.
lol, I can also be accused of being naively optimistic, but I've never been able to let that fact dissuade me for long.
Perhaps a facebook revolution against the mediocrity of our State and Federal politicians is in order.........8-)

Fafnir
14-03-2012, 03:25 PM
naively optomistic

Yes and I think that may be cause for concern here.

On the surface you make a good point, but unfortunately it also shows that a lot of idealistic youngsters can be easily manipulated, that they act without knowing all the facts, or even questioning what they hear or see. How open to abuse is this? What if this video does more harm than good as has been suggested by people who live in Uganda?

It's great that people want to do the right thing, but this just goes to show that people should pause for thought before they act. What if the people who put this together are just a bunch of crooks? What if they have their own alterior motives? How many stopped to ask these questions before sharing the video?

Not everything about social media is good. And not every every do good act actually does any good.

nigelr
20-03-2012, 06:57 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17432481

who's zooming who....

Yellowjack
20-03-2012, 09:16 AM
heres a laugh

http://www.novafm.com.au/article/kony-2012-director-detained-drunk-lewd-behavior


+ a video - http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/16/jason-russell-video-naked-meltdown-kony/#.T2e-EBHxp_c