Scary Stuff

[snasman]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/greens-vow-to-turn-australias-territorial-waters-into-marine-park/story-fn5ko0pw-1225899498096


Lets keep plugging away at the people who know no better.

[nigelr]

Yep, we need to get every fisho who generally votes Fed Labour, to vote for the Opposition this time round.
I'm putting my vote where my mouth is, I never thought I'd live to see the day I'd vote against Fed Labour, but they have swallowed way too much green medicine for my liking. Frankly, if they continue to cowtow with the Greens to this extent, I will never vote for them again. Lifestyle is important to Aussies, I believe, or at least, it is to me! The thing that does concerns me though is medium term generational change. Fisho's may well be forced into extinction with the new 'eco' attitudes.........
Cheers.

[Toddy_again]

Its a hard thing to say but as much as I love fishing my job means far more to me.


Toddy

[FNQCairns]

It's no longer about me, it's about the basics and simple right and wrong, the scales have tipped to far, I am actually embarrised to be a Queenslander and Australian, never been good at blinkering myself so I am stuck with the understanding.

I was born 20 years to late to experience the majority of my time as an adult living in a free country.

Law abiding citizens are drop dead easy for 1st world governments to oppress.

[PinHead]

Toddy..what does your job have to do with not voting for the greens ????

[PinHead]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/greens-vow-to-turn-australias-territorial-waters-into-marine-park/story-fn5ko0pw-1225899498096


Lets keep plugging away at the people who know no better.

It's not scary any more..it is a fait sccompli..about 200 to 300 at the protest today..should have been 2 to 3 thousand..apathy will decide the outcome and it is obvious the closures will take place.
Rec anglers are too lazy to stand up and be heard.

[FNQCairns]

It's not scary any more..it is a fait sccompli..about 200 to 300 at the protest today..should have been 2 to 3 thousand..apathy will decide the outcome and it is obvious the closures will take place.
Rec anglers are too lazy to stand up and be heard.

Would even 1500 individuals have known it was even on?? I dunno but almost without exception every true Angler I have met and filled in just a little has been apalled by what is going on then they drift away because the issue is nowhere near their face to look at unless they expend the effort.

Evolution has for very good reasons chose to equip humans with the ability to forget threats that are not constantly and directly brought to the fore in their consciousness.

Serious here but the way to win the battle is to advertise and keep advertising, this can be in the form of fliers on car windscreens etc but it needs to continue or else the goldfish designed into us all will take the original effort away.

We here have the political advantage because this forum keeps shoving the issue in my face (thanks by the way) otherwise i would rightly forget to bother to chase up the issues....I am one of what I estimate to be just 5% of all anglers, the other 95% is still out there unknowing of angler issues and why-fors.

[Toddy_again]

Toddy..what does your job have to do with not voting for the greens ????

I wont vote Greens on principal because I think that gradually they are eroding the Australian way of life but given the threat of Workchoices or something the same but with a different name I wont be voting Liberal either.They are the ones that have said that there will be more consultation on the green zones and maybe they could keep a lid on the Greens to some extent.
I dont know.
I get this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I think what its going to be like in 20 years time.


Toddy

[Steeler]

Toddy..what does your job have to do with not voting for the greens ????

I think Toddy might be just maybe referring to that thing called workchoices ( or lack of ).That wonderful piece of IR legislation that was so good for employees we did not need to know about it til it was to late.

[Charlie]

I wasn't a fan of Workchoices and voted labor but what have they done apart from increasing the min wage.There are plenty of awards out there still paying 2005 rates and labor/unions couldn't give a stuff about renegotiating them.
Anyway vote Labor OR LIB/NP that's the main thing

[Horse]

I don't care who you vote for out of the two major parties but please don't throw a protest vote in the Greens direction. They are currently the biggest threat to recreational fishing we face. Make sure you spread the word

[Steeler]

I actually applaud the Libs fiscal nouse but i just can't warm to a party that has had in recent times the likes of Kevin Andrews,Peter Reith and Abbott masquerading as the so called champions of workers rights.

[samson]

nothing wrong with work choices if you do your job properly but there's a hell of alot wrong with no work at all and no compensation if labour wins.

[Steeler]

If it was so good for employees then why was it the worlds best kept secret til after an election.

[whatscracken]

If you vote Labour Toddy the boat people Gillard's government is letting in will take your job and you'll be working somewhere else paying higher taxes to help them get their free ride without being able to fish!

I believe the current government with either Rudd or Gilliard steering the ship has made some massive blunders which we will continue to pay for for some time. Home insulation, spending all the money on schools without monitoring how the money is being spent plus the biggest backflip on the ETS. Australia doesn't need this legislation as it is the rest of the world whose impact is far greater but the fact they tell us it is a MUST then it vanishes tells me they are full on it.

I can see through Labour and besides I love to fish.

[samson]

Do your job properly you got nothing to worry about, employers have the right to fire someone you can't take that right away.

[Steeler]

IR has always and will be the achilles heel for the coalition.The fact that the coalition didn't campaign on this legislation and waited til after the election to introduce it with bugger all debate in the house of Reps only adds justification to the scepticism displayed by employees.

Regardless of whether workchoices was a good or bad thing the way it was introduced will always raise question to the ethics of the coalition.

Workchoices was such a massive piece of legislation that it should have been a policy put to the Australian people at an election,blind siding people with these changes was not the way to go when trying to build credibilty on an issue that that has always dogged the coalition.

[Toddy_again]

Yes its an attractive proposition to have my shift allowances stripped,no annual pay rise to keep close to inflation,be put on a contract that has me being paid a lesser hourly rate than I was on before and to top it off I get the sack because the I have a dissagreement with management.


Toddy

[whatscracken]

But you can still go fishing mate! ;D ;D ;D

Seriously though Toddy I haven't been put in your position so I can't imagine what that situation would be like. These are the reasons we all vote for different parties.

I tell you one thing though I am over all the election crap all through the media, can't wait until its over.

[Steeler]

Toddy

I don't think you have anything to worry about unless the coalition is already training up your black dressed balaclava clad replacement overseas in Dubai.

[Toddy_again]

Hahaha....Yeah I know.Its just an example of what can happen and I think thats exactly what I will do tomorrow.
Go fishing.:)

Really I think most of us have sat around for a long time and just thought that sanity would prevail.Well its just not by the looks of things.
Not only are us anglers going to be the big losers if this goes bad but the flow on effect will be devastating.I am not telling you lot anything you dont know though.
Have the larger importers of tackle and marine products,larger chains of tackle shops,chandleries and boat sales outlets ever thought of collectively throwing some money at the cause? The Greens seem to have plenty.
Because they are the ones who stand to lose the most financially.
They may have already but question that I ask is a serious one.

Toddy

[samson]

Toddy the thing is if you don't like your job or pay go elsewhere labour won't be giving people in the marine industry any choice but to lose massive investments in businesses and have no choice what so ever other than go bankrupt, i think i'd rather get sacked by a text message than lose $400000 i've got invested in my business and get no compensation but thats just me, but i do realise people have different things to lose but for me this election could be very costly.

[Steeler]

I don't think Toddy made mention of the fact he does not like his job or pay rate rather the prospect of being made/asked to do it for a lesser rate than his current one.

Your last sentence is a perplexing one, i would have thought being flicked by a text or losing your business would be unfortunate regardless of which applies to you.

Why would as an employee losing your job be any less awful ????.

[mudrunner]

a vote for julia gillard, ironically nicknamed "the orange roughy", who is a former communist and still a rabid socialist......a vote for her or bob brown of the greens, will be the same knife in the back of australian fishermen, women and children, that kevin rudd took...



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[wr-demon]

I don’t think I’ve ever really been disadvantaged in regards to my job by either political party over the past 20 odd year in the work force. I have always regarded myself as a hard worker and do my best for whoever I work for and have always been looked after by my employers. This to me is part of my life that I have control over, keep working hard and enjoying my job and I will always have work.
A vote for the Labour/Green parties will have a direct affect on me and my family’s personal life chooses in regards to our recreational activity i.e. fishing, boating, camping, 4wdriving and dirt bike riding. We have all seen numerous restriction put on theses activities in the past. The Greens solution to everything is lock everyone out and save it for the future generation. By the time the future get here no one will be allowed to use these areas for any activity if they get there way ( it won’t be long and they will even ban tree hugging, be warned nature lovers they will even lock you out;D ).
As I think it is tit for tat with the 2 major political party’s theses day, I will the casting my vote for the party that least’s affect me and my family’s lifestyle choose the most. In this case it going to the coalitions, next election I’ll again ways things up.

[deepfried]

Easy choice really. Only one party can run the economy well enough to keep clearing labour debts and that is the same party that doesnt want to lock me out of fishing areas.
Even if the coalition wasnt going to put a stop to green zones they would still get my vote based soley on labours piss poor and near corrupt economic management and a vote for the greens would make it even worse as they would screw labour then us for all we have got. I also would be very worried the greens would start messing with the mining sector which atm we are all riding on.

[PinHead]

I have said many times on here..the Modern Awards are not all they are cracked up to be either..they have taken away many conditions that were in the previous State Awards. Have you sat down and read your current Modern Award ??

[mudrunner]

its simple really. the greens want to ban fishing.

labor is basically in coalition with them.

vote labor is a vote against the future of your sport. ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!!

[FNQCairns]

its simple really. the greens want to ban fishing.

labor is basically in coalition with them.

vote labor is a vote against the future of your sport. ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!!

yep that's the bottom line, but not just the future of our sport, it will also mean the beginning of the end all choice in basic recreation/humanity except walking/drinking in cafes etc...I dont think that outside of gulags, getting snowed/flooded in etc has there ever in civilised/lawfull human history such a threat to basic movement and free choice/determination.

Is there even 1 family/traditionally orientated human outdoor activity with a do no true harm way of achieving same the greens are not against in principle with some other wacko organisation?

[samsnap]

Its Simple really - FISHING CLOSURES WILL RESULT FROM THIS ELECTION - THE GREENS WILL HAVE THEIR WAY - Read on this is their Policy - #20 & 23 under Measures say it all!
http://messaging.bigpond.com/sites/greens.org.au/files/misc/greenslogo-pms375-115x100.png The Australian Greens (http://%20/)


POLICY A3: MARINE AND COASTAL AREASPrinciples
The Australian Greensbelieve that:
1. a cooperative national approach to coastal management is required to deliver clean and healthy environments, integrated ecosystems and sustainable coastal communities.
2. the application of the precautionary principle is fundamental to sustainable management of marine, coastal and estuarine ecosystems.
3. fisheries must be managed as a part of a broader ecosystem which meets the needs of natural predators as well as humans.
4. the native title claims to sea country by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples must be acknowledged, including their right to sustainably access customary fishing grounds.
5. the health of Australia’s estuarine, coastal and marine environment is dependent on land management that recognises the interconnectedness of terrestrial and marine ecosystems.
6. ecosystems-based management is the most sustainable and appropriate model for the management of Australia’s marine territories.
7. the health of Australia’s fishing industries is dependent on adequate conservation and sustainable management measures that ensure the replenishment of fishing stocks.
8. sea level rise, ocean warming, acidification, and increased severity and frequency of storms as a result of climate change pose grave threats to marine and coastal ecosystems.

Goals
The Australian Greenswant:
9. a Comprehensive, Adequate and Representative (CAR) system of marine reserves in both Commonwealth and state and territory waters, to adequately conserve and protect Australia’s unique marine, coastal and estuarine biodiversity.
10. statutory ecosystems-based regional marine planning that enables the full range of uses and impacts to be identified and managed, and allocates resources across and within marine industry sectors.
11. a reduction in fishery by-catch and habitat damage from both commercial and recreational fishing and other marine activities, and the conservation of key target species.
12. a strengthened cooperative national approach to the identification, containment and eradication of introduced marine pests.
13. implementation by all levels of government of the National Framework for Integrated Coastal Zone Management.
14. protection of the habitat of all marine mammals.
15. a global ban on commercial and so-called scientific take or other killing of all whales and other cetaceans, except for sustainable indigenous subsistence hunting.



Measures
The Australian Greenswill:
16. introduce an Oceans Act that coordinates sustainability of ocean uses through a statutory National Oceans Authority, reporting to the parliament, and enforcing ecosystem-based regional management plans and targets.
17. as part of the Oceans Act, legally define Australia’s exclusive economic zone as extending only to the internationally recognised 200 mile limit from the coastline, not the undersea continental shelf.
18. introduce new laws to address the full range of threats to marine mammals, protect animals from harm, and to conserve species.
19. in cooperation with the states and territories, review all offshore constitutional settlements to ensure consistent regulation across state and Commonwealth marine boundaries, and assess the need for a single National Oceans Authority administrative area for Australia’s marine territory.
20. ensure that the National Representative System of Marine Protected Areas program has legislated targets of a minimum of 30% ‘no take’ areas per bioregion by 2012.
21. expand the Indigenous Protected Areas Program to include marine based proclamations and management and develop programs for using traditional marine law and customary tenure systems for ecologically sustainable marine management.
22. fund the next regional marine planning process with a requirement for its completion around Australia within 10 years.
23. require States to implement regional marine planning processes in State waters that complement national Regional Marine Plans.
24. introduce random mandatory vessel monitoring systems in Australian waters and increase mandatory observer coverage to at least 50% of all commercial vessels.
25. phase out the entry into Australian waters of all single skin tankers.
26. create a register of unsafe or inappropriate vessels (identified by flags, owners, charterers and survey societies) and prohibit these from entering Australian waters.
27. appropriately resource the monitoring and evaluation of the state of Australia’s marine and coastal resources.
28. establish trilateral agreements and adequately resource the implementation of the National Framework for Integrated Coastal Zone Management.
29. work with the states & territories to reduce land-based sources of marine pollution, including pollution from diffuse urban and agricultural sources.
30. introduce national standards for the ecological health of beaches and coastal lagoons.
31. strengthen the management of introduced marine pests, and investigate the most effective means by which to prevent their introduction by international shipping.
32. support all appropriate sanctuaries and measures to protect marine mammals from hunting, except for sustainable indigenous subsistence hunting.
33. reaffirm support for a comprehensive international ban on commercial whaling, the abolition of so called ‘scientific’ whaling, and an international ban on the sale of whale meat and by-products.
34. restrict the use of seismic devices and other technologies that cause ecological harm, particularly to marine mammals.
35. restrict the testing of military and naval explosive devices in the oceans to minimise the impacts on marine and coastal ecosystems.
36. eliminate harmful and toxic waste dumping into Australian waters.

SO WHAT CAN WE DO?? PLEASE ATTEND THIS MEETING!!!!


GREENS DEMAND 30% FISHING CLOSURES- WHAT DO FISHERMEN THINK?

WHERE Moreton Bay Boat Club at the MBBC Fishing Club general meeting
WHEN Tuesday, August 10, 7:30 p.m.
WHAT: Briefing on the EASTERN BIOREGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS, the GREEN’s policy launch of 30% closure to ALL Australian waters to fishing, and the implications for all fishermen. Speakers will briefly outline the process to date, their implications, and actions to minimise the loss of access to our fisheries

The need for Northside fishermen to join the MBBC Fishing Club to ensure that they are informed of events and can have a say on the fishing policies and implementation of Government.

WHO TO SPEAK: Keith Hall (local charter operator and Redcliffe President), Michael Gardner (President QSIA), Don Jones (CEO, Marine Qld), Ron Boswell (Honourable Senator for Qld).

Greens’ policy on marine and coastal waters (http://greens.org.au/policies/environment/marine-and-coastal-areas) Measures designed to ensure that fishing practices do not wipe out species or damage ocean ecosystems, will be enhanced by targets of a minimum of 30 percent no-go areas governed by the principles set out in these policies. Establishing these zones is not a random process but a strategy to maintain adequate, biologically representative ‘no-take’ areas for the conservation of marine biodiversity and fish stocks.

I am going are you????????????????
Sammy

[Bros]

Reading the SunHerald about he question is he going to retire Dr Bob knows if he goes it will spell the end of the greens similar to the what happened to the Democrats after Don Chipp retired but they can do some damage in the interim.

Garrett is green through and through but he knows he won't get to smell the aphrodisiac of ministerial leather by joining them.

[gr hilly]

i can't wait till its all over, if the libs get in which i doubt we can continue fishing, if they don't the country will be stuffed,more waste and debt, and then the jobs will start to drop off.interest rates will rise and if there is a double dip we don't have a bank acc this time just a big bloody debt so we can all get ready to bend over my father passed away last Thursday his last words to me were if the ALPwin the election sack every one and sell up the business.

[samsnap]

Libs Will Allow Fishng. Labour And The Greens Will Close 30% To Fishing From The Beach Out.
If You Want To Keep Fishing, Vote Lnp Or Aflp.

[FNQCairns]

Forget the libs name today on Meet the Press but he actually, right in front of the country's shiny bum media......fully for the moderates only. proper. shiny. bum. media!!!!, Spoke deploring the marine zones!!!!!!!!!!!......it was short but actually made the room.......seriously!

[mudrunner]

Forget the libs name today on Meet the Press but he actually, right in front of the country's shiny bum media......fully for the moderates only. proper. shiny. bum. media!!!!, Spoke deploring the marine zones!!!!!!!!!!!......it was short but actually made the room.......seriously!

meet the press can be accessed by google. you may wait a few hours for the replay.

i think you are refering to the opposition (libs) immigration minister. his labor federal counterpart didnt have the guts to turn up. the liberal slaughtered his opponent.

the lib bloke is worth watching...(i only heard his name once, and ive had 9 beers...so i forget) but he was that good. he reminded me of lindsay tanner. although tanner was labor, i respected him. the lib bloke today reminded me of him.

a potential leader......

[mudrunner]

Scott Morrison is the libs name..