Noble Super V vs AMM Tournament series

[Fatenhappy]

Hi guys ...

Have done a search in past threads and had a good look in all sorts of places and can't find any real direct comparison between Noble Super V vs AMM Tournament series ....

I have had some experience with Noble and am quite happy there.

Is most everything roses or are there any real underlying problems with either ... All input greatly appreciated ... ;)

Cheers
Greg

[business class]

mate to be 100% honest your comparing chalk and cheese. IMHO AMM are in a league of there own. Aussie built, finish is second to none, and the end product really shows why. Yes u will pay more for them but it is not hard to see why. If those are the two boats ur left with then i would go AMM.

Cheers
Matty

[Fatenhappy]

Hey Matty ...

"Tongue in cheek", I am not looking so much at the difference in price, although obviously it has to be a factor, more over the quality of product, functionality of fitment and of course satisfaction of those who have them ...

The other comment you make there also interests me .... "If those are the two boats ur left with ..... " ... so happy to open this right up and hear yours and others comments on alternatives .... After all, this is serious dosh as far as I'm concerned and I certainly don't know it all and happy to take all advice on board !.... :-?

Cheers
Greg

[Ross_685]

Hey Greg!

To be 100% honest, I am yet to ride in an AMM.
I've jumped in one (on a trailer), but never had the chance to take one for a spin.
So I cant comment on the ride of them. Build quality was great though, nice and solid (as you would expect in a set up that was close to 160K)!


The Noble on the other hand, I definately can comment on!
We picked ours up early this year and we are IN LOVE!

The ride is absolutely fantastic. Definately on par, and possiby better than your 'average' riding fibreglass hull. That says a lot for an alluminium boat I think!

Build quality is also right up there with the best. There is no doubt in my mind that our 685 will give us many many years of service!!

Heres a thread I started a little while ago:
http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=161409


Its just an all round awesome design!

[Ross_685]

Also, see if you can have a good chat with a few others from these forums. Im sure there will be a few guys on here that have had a good run in both.

I know Broomey (Eddy) has just sold his Goldstar to buy a New 7.5M Noble and Captain Seaweed (Marty) has just gotten out of his 6.5M Seafarer, also for a 7.5M Noble.

They might be worth speaking with?

[lippa]

AMM is superior in every way from the first phone call to taking delivery, to after sales suupport. locally built, and very well presented. good luck with your decision!

[Beekee]

Fatenhappy
I just took delivery of a Bluewater alloy boat and am extremely happy with what I got. It would be worth your while to have a look at them in Brisbane. Well built and good design. I too looked at the brands you were looking at and my decision was to go with one of Scotts boats. The AMM was too dear, in my opinion and I did not want to have an imported boat. I wanted my money to stay local and the early Noble imports looked ordinary. It sounds like they have lifted quality lately. Also Scotts contract method seems to be a fair one.

[Duckfish]

I've got a mate who has a 6.85m Noble Vee and was following me out to DeepTempest last year. I have a Haines Hunter 565L and the trip was taken at a slower pace. When we got out there, he was commenting that he was banging all the way out there which surprised me a bit considering that I was taking it easy. I had a look at a AMM at the Tinny Show and noticed that they have a 20 degree deadrise, which for a alloy boat is quite deep. I spoke to Barton and he said that with that deadrise and wide chines, the ride was much better. Eqivalent to a good glass boat. My brother-in-law has a 9m AMM and his ride is awesome. I suppose a 9m boat would ride pretty well.
I think that you should talk to Barton at AMM and then to the boys at Noble Vee
By the way, my mate had to take his Noble Vee back to them to get his Bimini frame welded back on because of some cracks. Anyway whatever you get, should be ok.
Duck

[goona]

I have personnally been in both. My mate owns a AMM and I now own a Pacific Sport fish super vee (Now Noble). I can tell you if it is ride you are after the noble wins hands down no comparison. Look at the dead rise. Noble 24 degrees and AMM as previously stated 20 degrees. Finish might be a bit better on the AMM but then again I have not been in the new Nobles. The only thing with the Noble is they are now built offshore and seeing as though I am a true Blue Aussie I don't like seeing our money leave the country. MOre than happy to speak on the phone if you wish. PM if you wish

[Fatenhappy]

Thanks Goona ....

Interesting to hear the comparison, as for me it really does come down to trying to compare one platforms performance against the other.

Having said that I consider that I am as true blue as any Australian. But again and currently having a prolonged exposure to value for money off shore vs the Ozzie product (particularly when it includes the middle man syndrome), I now more than ever weigh up every case individually, even more so than previously. $100,000 plus is a lot of cash for one of these rigs and deserves inspection and consideration to every detail accordingly.

And yes, I still prefer to buy Ozzie where ever possible and sensible to do so ...

[dodgyone]

Im a die hard glass man. (Haines Specifically)
Used to fish a bit out of a 7.4 Pacific Sportfish Super Vee and it still stands as the best trailerboat I have ever fished out of. Not tried the AMM but have looked over one and was impressed with the quality of assembly and construction.
Super Vee is by far the best riding Ally boat I have ever fished out of.

[Fatenhappy]

Hey dodgy .... got to agree .... the super vees sure seem to be hard to go past for the money, hence the original question for comparison .... :-?

[business class]

Im a die hard glass man. (Haines Specifically)
Used to fish a bit out of a 7.4 Pacific Sportfish Super Vee and it still stands as the best trailerboat I have ever fished out of. Not tried the AMM but have looked over one and was impressed with the quality of assembly and construction.
Super Vee is by far the best riding Ally boat I have ever fished out of.

So are u saying the 7.4 Super vee is THE BEST boat u have ever fished out of?:o :o :o

[theangryangler]

sharkcat??
(watch the floor!!)

[Fatenhappy]

Hey theangryangler .....

sharkcat??
(watch the floor!!) ... what am I missing here ..... I just don't get it?????

[Redhunter]

Hi fatenhappy
Ive been in many plate boats in the six meter class ranging from badgecraft, stebie craft, profish, jbs, fisher, riptide, amm, vindicator, barcrusher and the list goes on, without a doubt the supervee wins hands down on ride with two other boats in this list that come very close.
I too had my heart set on a super vee but the problem was they were just so darn dear. When ben was running the business down at clontorf you could not have met a nicer bloke, however I must say that after seeing one of the super vees at the boat show I was very disappointed with the build quility compared to when ben was building them in oz, just my thoughs.
regards Steve

[Jarrah Jack]

Looking like a super vee design built by AMM might do the trick.

PS.My sister lives in Dubai, has own driver and maid etc... no wonder you are fatenhappy.;D

[yknot.com]

I have had a 6.4 amm and about to up grade to 7.4. experence dealing with amm boys and their product I would not think about going with anything else.

[John_R]

Looking like a super vee design built by AMM might do the trick.

Well I have an Aussie Built Noble - it's awesome. Last time I looked, the Chinese ones don't look too bad either.

[Fatenhappy]

Hi fatenhappy
Ive been in many plate boats in the six meter class ranging from badgecraft, stebie craft, profish, jbs, fisher, riptide, amm, vindicator, barcrusher and the list goes on, without a doubt the supervee wins hands down on ride with two other boats in this list that come very close.
I too had my heart set on a super vee but the problem was they were just so darn dear. When ben was running the business down at clontorf you could not have met a nicer bloke, however I must say that after seeing one of the super vees at the boat show I was very disappointed with the build quility compared to when ben was building them in oz, just my thoughs.
regards Steve

So Steve .... got me curious now ... which are the other two?

[Fatenhappy]

Looking like a super vee design built by AMM might do the trick.

PS.My sister lives in Dubai, has own driver and maid etc... no wonder you are fatenhappy.

Thanks JJ ..... Naaaa! ... You could do that or like me you can be a tight ass and save the dosh then also put that towards the new rig when I get back to OZ .... ;D ... I know which I'd rather do ..... ;)

[bigjimg]

I looked at the range of Nobles at Cunnighams today,and I have a very critical eye,looked pretty average the finish of them.Never rode in one but did ride in a Pacific Sportfish,it was okay the usual slap slap,rode in a 5.2 CC AMM bullet proof boat but as expected did lift a bit of spray.If it were me I would go the AMM at least they are here and easy to claim warranty if need be.Some of the welds on the Nobles looked a bit,lets say 'over worked',to make them look pretty.Paint job looked thin as well and dull.Jim

[yknot.com]

noble great boat but very ordinary company history !!!!

[Redhunter]

Hi fatenhappy
Ive been in many plate boats in the six meter class ranging from badgecraft, stebie craft, profish, jbs, fisher, riptide, amm, vindicator, barcrusher and the list goes on, without a doubt the supervee wins hands down on ride with two other boats in this list that come very close.
I too had my heart set on a super vee but the problem was they were just so darn dear. When ben was running the business down at clontorf you could not have met a nicer bloke, however I must say that after seeing one of the super vees at the boat show I was very disappointed with the build quility compared to when ben was building them in oz, just my thoughs.
regards Steve

So Steve .... got me curious now ... which are the other two?


Yeh mate the other two that i found pretty close were fisher and riptide.
The super vee rides better in a head sea but the fisher and riptide are a bit more stable at rest and ride a bit better in a following sea.
Some people may think that a riptide with 16 deg at the transom may not perform
all that well but i can tell you they perform very good.
If you look at the front of the rip tide it has a very sharp nose, the trik is to keep the trim tabs down hard and to keep the hull in the water.
Good luck with your choice.
Regards Steve

[Fatenhappy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatenhappy
Hi fatenhappy
Ive been in many plate boats in the six meter class ranging from badgecraft, stebie craft, profish, jbs, fisher, riptide, amm, vindicator, barcrusher and the list goes on, without a doubt the supervee wins hands down on ride with two other boats in this list that come very close.
I too had my heart set on a super vee but the problem was they were just so darn dear. When ben was running the business down at clontorf you could not have met a nicer bloke, however I must say that after seeing one of the super vees at the boat show I was very disappointed with the build quility compared to when ben was building them in oz, just my thoughs.
regards Steve

So Steve .... got me curious now ... which are the other two?

Yeh mate the other two that i found pretty close were fisher and riptide.
The super vee rides better in a head sea but the fisher and riptide are a bit more stable at rest and ride a bit better in a following sea.
Some people may think that a riptide with 16 deg at the transom may not perform
all that well but i can tell you they perform very good.
If you look at the front of the rip tide it has a very sharp nose, the trik is to keep the trim tabs down hard and to keep the hull in the water.
Good luck with your choice.
Regards Steve

Thanks Steve .... appreciated ....;)

[Horto22]

If its smooth ride your after is and alloy boat the 800 Fisher Maxi take alot of beating. The 800 maxi has 23 deg dead rise but unlike its smaller sibblings it has a double chine that allows the entry to be pulled in real fine without leaving a large (150-200mm) chine up fornt to slap into larger wave faces. Every other alloy boat that Ive seen that runs this kind of deadrise (Stabicraft 23 deg) Noble Super V 24 deg, and AMM to a lesser degree with ther 20 deg hull, all have really wide shoulders or chines up front. The Fisher 800 maxi has a conventional chine approx 100mm wide down near the water line and a second higher chine approx 75mm wide approx 450 above the lower chine. Not only does this provide a very fine and soft entry it also make for a very dry boat as the second chine helps deflect water that passes the lower chine on bigger waves-chop.

I am lucky enough to co own one with my two brothers and we have comfortable outpaced many a quality boat both glass & alloy on the run back in to Portland & Bermagui. On our last trip to Portland we motored back in at 30-32 Knots in 1-1.5m chop completeing the trip in 70 min and beat back all the charter boats. Our fishing buddy in his 6.0m seafarer took 110 min to do the same trip as he could only manage around 18 knot.


I have found that unless you do a side by side comparison in the same seas it is almost impossible to compare boats., as most skippers will push the hull to the same comfort point so the sensation can feel very similar. The better boat will just be travelling much quicker for the same given comfort level.

So if a smooth ride is what your after in a alloy boat the extra lenght, weight(6mm bttm, 5mm sides) and unique hull design of the Fisher 800 Maxi make it one impressive ride, and worth consideration.

Cheers Horto

[Fatenhappy]

Thanks Horto much appreciated and will most definitely have a close look .... 8 to 9 metres is definitely towards my upper limit for size I mean! ... no decki as such available so I will have to do everything

What power plant are you running ... and in single or twins ? ...

Any chance of some photos ??

[Horto22]

We have a single 300 suzuki which works really well. Our boat "Fat Chance" is featured on the Fisher Web site

http://www.fisherboats.com.au/boats-brisbane-queensland-ms-800.html

Its a big trailer boat and you will need to put it on a alloy trailer to just get it in under 3500KG.

Cheers Horto

[Fatenhappy]

Thanks Horto ... I do recall it now, having had a squizz on their their web site .... but will have another look!

Whether its wishful thinking or not, this (next) time round for the boat, we're wanting to make the base on the waters edge somewhere, if its at all possible.

Not that I mind the towing in fact quite the opposite, especially when being able to visit different venues further a field etc.......:P ..... The upside of this is that we can negate the costs involved with a tow vehicle and trailer altogether .....;) ..... so we'll have to see how it pans out! .... :-?