Barcrusher questions

[rcfisher]

Hi all was hopeing for some help yet again.

I am thinking of buying half of my friends barcrusher and trying to get an idea of what it would be worth. It is a 2006 model 5.3 with a 90 etec on the back with about 150 hours on the clock. Any ideas? Have had a quick look on the net but can only find 5.6 models and larger.
My second question is that i went for a run in it today and it tennds to lean on its side when underway. Would trim tabs be effective on this size boat or is it to small for them?

Thanks in advance
Cheers Ryan.

[Flex]

How bad does it lean? and you tried simply shifting some weight?

But yeah Trim tabs would help, both leaning and also into a head-sea.

[rcfisher]

yeah tried shifting some wait by filling the live bait tank and that worked well but the live bait tank is on the skippers side so not sure how it would go when i am alone.

[johndeere]

If you are going halves in a boat with someone I would always take the stern half as the value is in the motor!:grin:

[Crunchy]

Don't quote me as not 100% sure but in the back of my mind I think there has been mention of listing on barcrushers before...try a search....

[Captain Seaweed]

Yes trim tabs will fix the listing proble. Even if it doesnt list now , it will with a side wind as all boats will lean into the wind. Trim tabs are a great investment to compensate for , wind, weight prop torque. I fitted Volvo's to my boat and fixed it in all conditoions, wind, weight distribution and prop torque (cos I had twin outboards).
What is he asking for the boat and what is a new one worth?

Cheers
Marty

[dodgyone]

Mate of mine has a Barcrusher 530. Does lean a fair bit in a side wind or when it is unbalanced. Trim tabs would do wonders. Very sensitive to improper weight distribution.

[patrol50]

yea i keep an eye open for a barcrusher 530 - trim tabs are almost a must for that deep vee design IMHO and a rough guess $ somewhere between 30K and 38K depending on hours on the ob and what extra gear it has on it and how good nick it is - they certianly hold there value if you can find one
cheers rob

[buck66]

rcfisher,
I previously owned a 2004 530c Barcrusher with a DF90 Suzuki and for memory was purchased new for around the 39-40k. Sold it 5 years later for 31k. I have seen them generally advertised around the same age for 31-35k. New can be in excess of 50k. Would definetly benefit from trim tabs. Generally a good solid with boat with a very good finish and good handling characteristics, but don't expect it to be the fastest thing on the planet and to ride like a glass boat

[rcfisher]

Thanks for all the replys guys. He is asking 34k for it so 17k for half which going by the above posts seems reasonable. Any ideas what sort of money to fit a set of tabs and are any brands an advantage over the others?

Cheers Ryan.

[Noelm]

kind of slightly off topic, but think long and hard about going halves in a boat, many a long term friendship has ended in disaster.

[scuttlebutt]

I recently put tabs on my boat. After looking into it I went with the Bennett Hydraulic tabs. There's pros and cons of both types. Electric's don't have a pump but have heard of a few failing for various reasons. The Bennett's have a pump in-board with a few extra lines but have a very good rep for reliability.

I got mine off Ebay for less than $500 delivered from USA. Expect to pay double that in Aus.

[rcfisher]

Thanks for the advice Noelm but don't it will be a problem. Of course only time will tell i guess.

[rcfisher]

Hey Scuttlebutt $500 that sounds like a great price been quoted around $1750 for a set of lectro tabs thats fitted by a yard here in Bris. How do they compare?

[Alchemy]

There are many good places to buy Bennetts tabs in the USA. I had a set on the last boat that went 5 years without fault, but have bought a pair of 450mm wide QL tabs from ############# for $980 delivered. David is based in the USA and has specialised in selling to Aussies and offers a reliable service with great communication.

ps, PM me if you want to know who I got them from.

[wetryin]

Re the boat leaning to one side. The pre 2009 model had the live bait tank on the skippers side. All later models found this on the passengers side to stop the boat leaning, so models prior to this all had a habit of leaning to the skippers side. If underway with the live bait tank full I prefer the catch being on the passengers side to counterbalance the weight:grin:

[White Pointer]

Thanks for all the replys guys. He is asking 34k for it so 17k for half which going by the above posts seems reasonable. Any ideas what sort of money to fit a set of tabs and are any brands an advantage over the others?

Cheers Ryan.

G'day,

I would like to make a couple of points.

The Barcrusher 530 and 560 series are good boats. The E-Tec engine needs to be over-serviced to keep it reliable - like not authorised to fail. Don't believe the extraordinary service intervals. It is just too risky if things go awry in the wrong sea conditions.

Boats with deep V hulls tend to react more to wind and wave. The shorter the hull length the more it will react. Your trade off with the deep V hull is getting there faster and with water displacement, being more stable at rest. To counter the effect of wind and wave you can (a) slow down a lot (which may or may not work) or (b) fit trim tabs. In my opinion the best trim tabs are the Volvo QL system. They are electronic. They can't be mistaken for a step and broken. They are reliable. They work incredibly well. Getting these (or any trim tabs) fitted requires the expertise of a boat builder. You want someone who knows how to weld the fitting plates in the right place on your transom, weld in conduit to create a water proof barrier, wire the system up and test it and seal everything.

Once you own half a boat and motor and trailer you will be expected to pay for the fuel you use, half the standing costs, like rego and insurance, and half the maintenance costs - which includes upgrades like the trim tabs you are considering. That's fair enough, but this has to be in your budget.

Once you own half the boat you have to ensure that the boat and trailer registration is in joint names and that Queensland Transport (or whoever your registration authority is) recognise your CRN as a joint holder. You have to do the same thing with the insurer to make sure that in the event of a loss the other bloke doesn't get all the proceeds. And by the same token - you need to know if he is an acceptable insurance risk. You might even like to include, as a condition of sale/purchase, that the skipper will always have 0% BAC.

Finally, before you buy half, do a REVS search. Get the HIN for the boat, the engine number for the motor and the VIN for the trailer and find out if it is encumbered. You could be buying 50% of something that has a lot owing on it - in which case it is a 3-way deal and your money may be just paying off a debt and you are still third in line. The worst case scenario is that you pay your money and the thing is repossessed. You can do this at the Office of Fair Trading at the Magistrates Court in George Street in Brisbane. This will waste half a day. You can also do it by mail if you download the forms and send them in. I can't remember the details.

Hope this helps.

White Pointer

[Kondo 1]

G'day,


Finally, before you buy half, do a REVS search. Get the HIN for the boat, the engine number for the motor and the VIN for the trailer and find out if it is encumbered. You could be buying 50% of something that has a lot owing on it - in which case it is a 3-way deal and your money may be just paying off a debt and you are still third in line. The worst case scenario is that you pay your money and the thing is repossessed. You can do this at the Office of Fair Trading at the Magistrates Court in George Street in Brisbane. This will waste half a day. You can also do it by mail if you download the forms and send them in. I can't remember the details.

Hope this helps.

White Pointer

Great idea getting a revs check - not sure if these guys do boats but they were great when I bought the last car privately

http://www.checkitout.com.au/

[White Pointer]

Great idea getting a revs check - not sure if these guys do boats but they were great when I bought the last car privately

http://www.checkitout.com.au/

G'day,

Yes they do boats by HIN and boat rego number, outboard and inboard motors by engine number and trailers by VIN and rego number.

It is not too expensive but it is a bit time consuming. But it's better than repossession.

Regards,

White Pointer

[TheRealAndy]

I would never go halves in anything with anyone, unless your married to it. Seriously, don't do business with friends and family. It will only end in pain. Could be you best mate, but chances are it will be your best enemy by the end. Best way to destroy a friendship.

[rcfisher]

Hey thanks for your advice White Pointer will take it all on board. Some good points there to think about. Am confident the boat is debt free as i was there when he brought it. Any body have an idea of who stocks the Volvo QL system in or around Brisbane?

[MyWay]

i know someone who got brand new in box lenco electric ones he may sale to you for $650 if you interesting i will give him call and find out if he still got them

myway

[siegfried]

Bar crushers with trim tabs are 5 times the boat they are without them. YOU ARE EFFECTIVLY BUYING A SECOND HAND HULL AND TRAILER. the motor on it is worth next to nothing. Hunt around a few dealers and see what theyll give you as a trade on a newer 4stk , youll $hit yourself .The 530 BC needs more then a 90hp motor if you want to put any amount of load in it. Good luck

[White Pointer]

Hey thanks for your advice White Pointer will take it all on board. Some good points there to think about. Am confident the boat is debt free as i was there when he brought it. Any body have an idea of who stocks the Volvo QL system in or around Brisbane?

G'day,

Don't be confident that the boat is debt free, get the REVS search done and register your interest in the boat, motor, trailer and insurance policy on the day you are parting with the money - and part with the money last.

Contact Origin Boats and ask for feasibility and a price to do it. You won't get any bull&#(* from them. What they quote is what is takes to get it done right, if it's feasible. They fit QL trim tabs to most of what they build. Please PM me for more information if you decide to go ahead with this.

Also note the comment in the thread about the 90Hp being underpowered. I know experienced guys with boats up to 5.6M with 90Hp 2-strokes who fish outside and do alright but they are always impressed with the 175Hp 4-stroke on the back of my 6M plate that uses lots less fuel. If the Barcrusher 530 was mine I would like nothing less than 115Hp 4-stroke on the back and a 140Hp Suzuki if the transom would carry it. A fuel efficient rocket ship. If you can live with it, do. It will be an expensive upgrade.

Regards,

White Pointer

[cormorant]

write up a partnership agreement and have it signed and witnesed. State neither party will encumber the boat, boa will be kept fully insured and agre on what to do when someone wants to leave teh agreement - offered to other party first and then placed onn market for best price possible in 4 week period? Agree on maintainance costs and agree it on engine hours or on days use or 50/ 50.

Agree in writing the person involved in a accident pays the full insurance excess. If boat is broken but not covered by insurance what then - $350 gearbox , $700 prop, $1800 computer , etc. Can make boating just as expensive as doing it alone

Keep a log of use and maintainanc ewith all costs.

very easy for a partnership to end up in a arguement especially when money and boats are involved.

White pointer is right
Register your interest- you never know your partners future finacial situation. Mate got tied up in divorce where his boat partner had to give half the boat to his exwife - nightmare and cash settlement and many sleepless nights.