View Full Version : Tiwi Pearl. SUNK !!!!!!
Lucky_Phill
12-03-2010, 02:35 PM
NEWS...... just in that the Tiwi Pearl has been sunk today. ( Fri 12th march 2010 )
" From DERM," this was due to the ship taking on a lot of water during the recent high winds and rough seas.
The ship had been tied to pontoons over the Harry Aitkensen Reef, but was deemed to be ' vunerable and unsafe ' to leave the ship until Sundays planned sinking.
Stay tuned to Channel Ten news tonight for views and media statements.
Regards
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Marlin_Mike
12-03-2010, 03:39 PM
Heres the goss from notice to mariners just released.....
Queensland Notices to Mariners
221 (Permanent) of 2010
Brisbane pilotage area
Locality: Harry Atkinson Reef, Moreton Bay
Activity: vessel scuttled for reef extension
Mariners are advised that the ship 'TIWI PEARL' was scuttled on Friday, 12 March 2010 at
1310 hours in approximate position latitude 27° 24.5' S, longitude 153° 18.206' E to form an
extension to the Harry Atkinson Reef.
AUS charts affected: 236, 814
Maritime Safety Queensland charts affected: Moreton Bay – Manly to Mooloolaba (MB1)
Redland Bay to Cabbage Tree Creek (MB8)
Maritime Safety Queensland Beacon to Beacon Directory 8th edition map: 92
Note: latitude and longitude positions on WGS84 horizontal datum (compatible with GDA94 datum).
For further information about this notice, please contact:
The Brisbane Regional Harbour Master’s office on 07 3860 3500.
Authorised by: Director (Maritime Services)
Issued: Brisbane 12 March 2010
Lucky_Phill
12-03-2010, 06:23 PM
Channel Ten did a good story with views from the Minister Jones , a local MP Mark Robinson and a member of the MBTBC.
Channel 7 did SFA !!!!!!!!! just some footage.
Now to get the rest of the arti's sorted.
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TimiBoy
13-03-2010, 10:33 AM
"Mariners are advised that the ship 'TIWI PEARL' was scuttled on Friday, 12 March 2010 at
1310 hours in approximate position latitude 27° 24.5' S, longitude 153° 18.206' E to form an
extension to the Harry Atkinson Reef."
Aren't there a couple of digits missing off the given latitude? So they're not exactly sure where she went down?
What is the actual Mariner's mark for Harry's, anyone have it?
hmmmmm.
Tim
mowerman
13-03-2010, 01:23 PM
I noticed that too, Tim.
Whacked that mark into the Lowrance as 27 24 500 and it came up west of the marks I have for Harries. Not all that far west though.
In fairly deep water which is probably their intention.
Now, only need some decent weather to go and have a look.
Rod
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"Mariners are advised that the ship 'TIWI PEARL' was scuttled on Friday, 12 March 2010 at
1310 hours in approximate position latitude 27° 24.5' S, longitude 153° 18.206' E to form an
extension to the Harry Atkinson Reef."
Aren't there a couple of digits missing off the given latitude? So they're not exactly sure where she went down?
What is the actual Mariner's mark for Harry's, anyone have it?
hmmmmm.
Tim
I will be most curious to the response you get from this post!!!
TimiBoy
14-03-2010, 06:43 AM
Further to that, how many of us didn't think it was a good idea for them to be doing what they were doing when the forecast said what it said? Most? You can bet that was the advice Kate had, so why press on???
This has been handled extremely poorly - more evidence of people in power just not having a clue about the real world, and hanging others on their own political agenda.
What announcement is coming this week, that they so badly needed to risk things on the weekend?
Tim
Marlin_Mike
14-03-2010, 07:01 AM
They saw the forecast and how it was building up. Why did they take it out there in the first place? A weeks wait wouldnt have hurt. Dic***ads.
Mike
snasman
14-03-2010, 08:35 AM
Reading the news this morning it said she was taking on water and became unsafe AND to avoid the protest from us fisherman that were going to interrupt the pollies media spotlight about the green zones, Handled very poorly indeed, typical labor party
castlemaine
14-03-2010, 09:43 AM
The Temporary Warning (prior to sinking) ...
http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/msqfiles/home/notices-to-mariners/ntm-2010/march/pdf_ntm_181_t_2010.pdf
caster226
14-03-2010, 09:01 PM
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Lucky_Phill
14-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Mark Robinson MP
Member for Cleveland
13 March 2010
Mystery of the Sinking of the Tiwi Pearl deepens
The mystery surrounding the sudden sinking of the Tiwi Pearl in Moreton Bay on Friday has deepened today as the government fends off questions about its handling of the scuttling of the boat.
Member for Cleveland Mark Robinson said a dark cloud now hangs over the Minister for Sustainability, Kate Jones, about why she sent the boat into the eye of the storm that she says caused the early sinking.
"The minister blamed the weather for the botched early scuttling that she said would take place on Sunday. Her lame reason that the 'weather made me do it' is inexcusable as weather forecasts of strong wind warnings for Moreton Bay for Friday to Sunday were available earlier in the week at the same time that she ordered the boat be positioned over the reef in readiness for the sinking.
"The minister needs to make public the advice she received about the weather forecast. When did she first know that the fierce blow was coming? It defies logic that she was unaware of the storm: the 'storm, what storm' excuse won't wash minister. Did the minister act against advice and endanger the project?
The trouble brewing was easily anticipated and the minister has been shown to be both incompetent and irresponsible for putting the Bay's important artificial reef program in jeopardy.
Dr Robinson said, "one more snapped anchor rope in the big wind could have produced another Cherry venture on beautiful North Stradbroke or Moreton islands, rather than more reef for fishers to use". And there is a question about whether it lies in a good place - it certainly missed the planned spot !!
"The minister left the Tiwi pearl project in the lap of the weather gods. Instead of waiting until the coast was clear of bad weather, it appears the government wanted to go early so that the 'coast was clear of boaties and fishers' who were planning a protest at Manly harbour on Sunday against the government's anti-fishing policies.
"The Tiwi Pearl has sunk, and with it the government's credibility among the fishing public of Queensland. Boaties and fishers, who feel let down, lied to and betrayed, agree that this minister and government cannot be trusted and that there is something thing very fishy about the mysterious circumstances leading up to the sinking of the Tiwi Pearl.
ENDS
Media Contact: Mark Robinson - 0403 154 333
maybe it is just my twisted sense of humour but did anyone else get a laugh that the only thing this government could do well and ahead of schedule was sinking a ship.
It has been evident to me that Anna and her Government have, for quite some time, been in the process of "sinking their ship" long before this exercise in incompetance.
GES
FNQCairns
15-03-2010, 12:23 AM
So what is the problem? It's sunk isn't it? was it off mark or something? I don't get the clamour over this, I don't know stuff all about it either but does everything today to be a success- need to happen with the sophistication of a cucumber sandwich tea party.
cheers fnq
Far side
15-03-2010, 05:40 AM
Its a pity captain bligh and crew
were not aboard when it went down
Marlin_Mike
15-03-2010, 06:10 AM
From Mark Robinson's release:
And there is a question about whether it lies in a good place - it certainly missed the planned spot !!
Rushed and botched IMHO
Mike
finga
15-03-2010, 07:10 AM
What announcement is coming this week, that they so badly needed to risk things on the weekend?
Tim
.005 blood alcohol level brought down to .003 maybe??
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-48.GIF
Lucky_Phill
15-03-2010, 07:40 AM
FNQ,
you are right in most respects. What the issue is, is that the Govt in their attempts to provide a compensation package for displaced recreational anglers, have again failed to show their transparency, their willingness to work with rec fishos. They got a whiff of unrest from rec fishos, they got a whiff of the local MP's about to castigate them and done a runner.
Sure , the wreck is in the location where it is needed and most likely within the boundries of the area know as Harry Atkinson Reef.
The Govt just need to do things right, with the right intentions, the right reasons and with the stakeholders they are trying to appease.
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PADDLES
15-03-2010, 08:20 AM
brilliant call caster!
and .................... who cares when or how it got sunk lads, does it really matter whether it got sunk on a friday or a sunday? let's at least give credit where credit's due (even though i cant stand this government), they're delivering, albeit slowly, on an election promise for more artificial reef structure. the bottom line is, that it's now down there and there should be more of it. at least they did their work on a nasty day when they wouldn't have disturbed anyone else trying to catch a fish.
TheRealAndy
15-03-2010, 08:43 AM
brilliant call caster!
and .................... who cares when or how it got sunk lads, does it really matter whether it got sunk on a friday or a sunday? let's at least give credit where credit's due (even though i cant stand this government), they're delivering, albeit slowly, on an election promise for more artificial reef structure. the bottom line is, that it's now down there and there should be more of it. at least they did their work on a nasty day when they wouldn't have disturbed anyone else trying to catch a fish.
Funny, when I started chasing this up november last year they had absolutly nothing. Now they have one ship... They are still way of the mark.
FNQCairns
15-03-2010, 09:32 AM
Ok i guess politics is politics, although if it is off mark and there was a true fishing related reason for the original mark - that is unacceptable!
Thinking between the lines, that gutsy cyclone has been tipped to head toward the central coast or below for over 48 hours now, they may have considered that if this window closes the next might be around 2 weeks away.
cheers fnq
PADDLES
15-03-2010, 01:04 PM
i'm hearing ya andy, i still haven't seen or heard hide nor hair of a kindy at beachmere yet even though our esteemed local member was quite happy to not only get the local mums handing out campain krap on her behalf but also to have her picture taken with hands raised in a victory salute with one of the local mums to celebrate the new kindy being approved ................. pre election day of course. i suspect that the state coffers are making that sound that your straw makes when you get to the bottom of a milkshake ........................ sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppp
Lucky_Phill
16-03-2010, 02:06 PM
Mark Robinson MP
LNP Member for Cleveland
16 March, 2010
Tiwi Pearl: Kate loses it
The Minister for Sustainability, Kate Jones, today is in hiding from questions about the final resting place of the Tiwi Pearl in Moreton Bay after she prematurely scuttled the boat last Friday. The minister has been unable or unwilling to confirm the exact location of the wreck several days after botching the sinking.
LNP Member for Cleveland, Mark Robinson said, "it sounds ludicrous, but the minister does not appear to know where her reef extension has gone, and it may have missed the intended mark. 'Oh where, oh where has Kate's little boat gone' could well be sung in schools around Moreton Bay this week."
In a ministerial statement on 12 March, Kate Jones said the intended location of the Tiwi Pearl was latitude 27° 24.505' S and longitude 153° 18.510' E (GDA 94). Yet, the Queensland Notice to Mariners issued on 12 March only gave an 'approximate' latitude of 27° 24.5' S for the new wreck. This imprecise latitude figure, only going to one decimal point, rather than the normal three that is needed for a wreck's precise location, has fueled speculation that the minister can't find her boat.
Dr Robinson called on the minister to end the ongoing saga of the Tiwi Pearl by confirming today the boat's final precise latitude, and whether it is at the intended location of 27° 24.505' S or not. And if not, where is it?
"If we have a second Harry Atkinson reef, we would need to name it. We could call it 'Little Harry' as it would be one of the smallest reefs in the world. Or if it landed on the muddy bottom we could call it 'Dirty Harry'.
But it has become apparent that long before the storm blew up and the boat anchor ropes snapped on 12 March causing the boat to take on water, the minister had lost control of the project.
Dr Robinson said, "The situation was out of control from the moment the minister ignored the forecast strong wind warnings on 10 March for 12-14 March. She sent the Tiwi Pearl into the predicted storm that everybody knew was coming, including the minister, instead of waiting for calmer weather.
"This taxpayer funded project was put at risk by the recklessness of the minister. She should apologise to boaties and fishers for jeopardising their artifical reef by her actions and for robbing them of participating in the long awaited sinking.
"It will be by good fortune, not good planning, if the Tiwi Pearl has found itself a good bed to lie on."
ENDS
Media Contact: Mark Robinson 0403154333 32862726
FNQCairns
16-03-2010, 03:17 PM
Crazy stuff!!
cheers fnq
honda900
16-03-2010, 03:44 PM
thats not crazy, thats incompetence..
you watch the captain towing the Tiwi Pearl get the blame.
Regards
HOnda.
Paul007
16-03-2010, 03:51 PM
Just got an updated location in a Notice to Mariners....Maritime Safety Queensland
Queensland Notices to Mariners
226 (Permanent) of 2010
Brisbane pilotage area
Locality: Harry Atkinson Reef, Moreton Bay
Activity: vessel scuttled for reef extension
Refer to notice: 221 (P) of 2010
Mariners are advised that the least depth over the 'EX-TIWI PEARL' is 5 metres at Lowest
Astronomical Tide (LAT). Soundings have revealed that the ship lies in an east-west orientation.
The exact position has been updated to latitude 27° 24.532' S, longitude 153° 18.304' E
Mariners are advised to navigate with caution over the sunken ship and note the least depth.
ozscott
16-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Thanks Paul. I reckon, despite how it was all done, that this will be sweet particularly then the others are dropped. I think providing you get out super early the sun up placcy fishing is going to excellent - bout bloody time anglers got a shot at some new (not shopping trolley!) reef.
Cheers
TimiBoy
16-03-2010, 06:27 PM
Is it an issue being only 5 m at low tide? I thought Harry's was deeper than that?
Tim
ozscott
16-03-2010, 06:42 PM
Not for you and me Tim, unless your dragging a deep water sonar that you are not telling anyone about...
Yep as for major vessels though it could well be an issue, but its a bloody big rig that draws 5m and I havent seen anything that size from through there, but thats not to say that they havent or wont in future. You would get out that way more than me Tim, what do you reckon about the 5m?
Cheers
TimiBoy
16-03-2010, 06:43 PM
Aha! It has come to rest 50m South of it's intended location. Might not sound much, but that's in 5 metres of water, not 20. That would also mean that in a Southerly, if you wanted to anchor up, you'd be dropping your anchor in stuff all water, correct?
Looking for a Harry's expert to answer these questions...
Cheers,
Tim
FNQCairns
16-03-2010, 07:19 PM
What a shame! 5m is no substitute for 20m!! Going to be missing quite a few itinerant locals as a result.
cheers fnq
finga
16-03-2010, 07:35 PM
Funny, when I started chasing this up november last year they had absolutly nothing. Now they have one ship... They are still way of the mark.
Oii matey...there's plenty of refugee boats available. They're coming over by the hundreds it seems.
Imagine the size of the artifical reef if they sunk the boats from 12 months worth of interceptions.
Horse
16-03-2010, 08:00 PM
I just plotted the positions and it looks like they missed the bullseye by a massive 343m. That puts it well to the west of the rest of Harries. I certainly hope that this has not been a case where our hard earned Bay artificial reef program being compromised by political point scoring.
Many experienced boaties raised an eye brow or two at their decision to go ahead given the severe weather conditions and it looks like they were right.
I hope that this is not an indication of the whole process being compromised as I still hold grave concerns as to the design and location of the other 5 proposed reefs
FNQCairns
16-03-2010, 08:09 PM
An 200 series would tow it just fine, bit of a shame Tims Toyota wont work under water...or can it??;D
cheers fnq
banksmister
16-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Fish already calling Tiwi Pearl home
Minister for Climate Change and Sustainability
The Honourable Kate Jones
16/03/2010
FISH ALREADY CALLING TIWI PEARL HOME
Fish are already being attracted to the Tiwi Pearl, the former fishing vessel which is the new centrepiece of the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef.
Climate Change and Sustainability Minister Kate Jones said she was delighted to confirm that officers had already done testing and shown fish were being attracted to the Tiwi Pearl.
"While sounding the vessel on Monday morning (15 March), sonar returns indicated there were already fish schooling above and around the Tiwi Pearl," Ms Jones said.
Ms Jones lampooned Member for Cleveland Mark Robinson for his continued attacks on the extension to the Harry Atkinson reef.
"We all know that the LNP have always opposed the Government's action to protect Moreton Bay. This week though they have sunk to new lows. concocting wild stories about the successful sinking of the Tiwi Pearl," she said.
"Their behaviour clearly demonstrates that their position has not changed and the LNP do not want to see sustainable fishing in Moreton Bay.
"Scuttling the Tiwi Pearl at the Harry Atkinson Reef was an election commitment. We delivered this successfully on Friday."
Maritime Safety Queensland has confirmed that the final coordinates for the Tiwi Pearl have been released. They are: 27° 24.532'S and 153° 18.304'E.
ozscott
16-03-2010, 08:31 PM
Didnt have my mind on that mate - good point.
Cheers
Black_Rat
16-03-2010, 08:46 PM
Fish already calling Tiwi Pearl home
Minister for Climate Change and Sustainability
The Honourable Kate Jones
16/03/2010
FISH ALREADY CALLING TIWI PEARL HOME
Fish are already being attracted to the Tiwi Pearl, the former fishing vessel which is the new centrepiece of the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef.
Climate Change and Sustainability Minister Kate Jones said she was delighted to confirm that officers had already done testing and shown fish were being attracted to the Tiwi Pearl.
"While sounding the vessel on Monday morning (15 March), sonar returns indicated there were already fish schooling above and around the Tiwi Pearl," Ms Jones said.
Ms Jones lampooned Member for Cleveland Mark Robinson for his continued attacks on the extension to the Harry Atkinson reef.
"We all know that the LNP have always opposed the Government's action to protect Moreton Bay. This week though they have sunk to new lows. concocting wild stories about the successful sinking of the Tiwi Pearl," she said.
"Their behaviour clearly demonstrates that their position has not changed and the LNP do not want to see sustainable fishing in Moreton Bay.
"Scuttling the Tiwi Pearl at the Harry Atkinson Reef was an election commitment. We delivered this successfully on Friday."
Maritime Safety Queensland has confirmed that the final coordinates for the Tiwi Pearl have been released. They are: 27° 24.532'S and 153° 18.304'E.
What a load of BS !
Kate Jones with this and her "Marine Bay" comment really has no idea ::)
Lucky_Phill
16-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Timi, I am not expert, as you always point out to me. 8-) and thanks for that.
The ship sitting east west, IMO< is not good. currents will advance siltation.
The ship sits some 328mtrs from MY Harry's marks. IN about 20 mtrs of water.
I think the issue here is that the GOVT promised an arti over 18 months ago and finally delievered a token the other day.
544 sq kilometers of Moreton Bay was taken away from the people that love this place and so far we have been given about 500 sq meters in compensation.
Sounds about fair .................................... ::)
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TheRealAndy
16-03-2010, 08:53 PM
What a load of BS !
Kate Jones with this and her "Marine Bay" comment really has no idea ::)
Thats exacly what I was thinking Damo!!! Might have a few banded scats hanging around, perhaps a hardy head or 3!! I love catching them!
Lucky_Phill
16-03-2010, 08:53 PM
Horse.
Neil, seems like you have the same marks as me for Harries. :) :)
yep, tooooooo far west.
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caster226
16-03-2010, 08:58 PM
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TheRealAndy
16-03-2010, 09:02 PM
Fish already calling Tiwi Pearl home
Minister for Climate Change and Sustainability
The Honourable Kate Jones
16/03/2010
FISH ALREADY CALLING TIWI PEARL HOME
Fish are already being attracted to the Tiwi Pearl, the former fishing vessel which is the new centrepiece of the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef.
Climate Change and Sustainability Minister Kate Jones said she was delighted to confirm that officers had already done testing and shown fish were being attracted to the Tiwi Pearl.
"While sounding the vessel on Monday morning (15 March), sonar returns indicated there were already fish schooling above and around the Tiwi Pearl," Ms Jones said.
Ms Jones lampooned Member for Cleveland Mark Robinson for his continued attacks on the extension to the Harry Atkinson reef.
"We all know that the LNP have always opposed the Government's action to protect Moreton Bay. This week though they have sunk to new lows. concocting wild stories about the successful sinking of the Tiwi Pearl," she said.
"Their behaviour clearly demonstrates that their position has not changed and the LNP do not want to see sustainable fishing in Moreton Bay.
"Scuttling the Tiwi Pearl at the Harry Atkinson Reef was an election commitment. We delivered this successfully on Friday."
Maritime Safety Queensland has confirmed that the final coordinates for the Tiwi Pearl have been released. They are: 27° 24.532'S and 153° 18.304'E.
Providing 3 artifical reefs were election commitments Kate, where are they? So far we have one boat, a lucky last minute descision, that was sunk in the wrong place just so the ALP can gain some political glory.
Now what about sustainable fisheries? Anna also said she would halve the pesticide and fertiliser run-off to the barrier reef?? I wonder how successful that has been.
Kate has already proven her incompetance, and with every press release she just re-iterates that.
finga
17-03-2010, 06:56 AM
Kate has already proven her incompetance, and with every press release she just re-iterates that.
Sad bit is the general public believe her and her press releases.
Those with a bit of knowledge on the subject know she's a looloo of a thing.
Really sad bit is the general public will outnumber those knowledgeable types on election day.
An open debate or discussion (with no holds barred) on the subject would be ideal but that will never happen.
I like the bit that says fish are already schooling around the vessel.
This is according to sounding. Everyone knows sounders lie. Well, at least mine does anyways.
I wonder what sounder they used??
The old Humminbird Wide Eye 100 I suspect with the fish alarm on.
Gees...in 8m of water they could have looked over the side and had a gander at what's down there.
If the truth be known the schools of fish is probably the dolphin and her calf Marlin Mike and I seem to see all the time.
She was probably wondering who the hell dropped that mother of an anchor...and why haven't they gone yet??
What's the dolphin's name Mike??
I forget. I'm old.
Marlin_Mike
17-03-2010, 08:04 AM
Sad bit is the general public believe her and her press releases.
Those with a bit of knowledge on the subject know she's a looloo of a thing.
Really sad bit is the general public will outnumber those knowledgeable types on election day.
An open debate or discussion (with no holds barred) on the subject would be ideal but that will never happen.
I like the bit that says fish are already schooling around the vessel.
This is according to sounding. Everyone knows sounders lie. Well, at least mine does anyways.
I wonder what sounder they used??
The old Humminbird Wide Eye 100 I suspect with the fish alarm on.
Gees...in 8m of water they could have looked over the side and had a gander at what's down there.
If the truth be known the schools of fish is probably the dolphin and her calf Marlin Mike and I seem to see all the time.
She was probably wondering who the hell dropped that mother of an anchor...and why haven't they gone yet??
What's the dolphin's name Mike??
I forget. I'm old.
CRAFT disease FInga? That would be Lilly, known for her distinct chewed up fin, and almost always seen in the company of a calf.
Mike
Lucky_Phill
17-03-2010, 01:33 PM
Mark Robinson MP
LNP Member for Cleveland
17 March, 2010
Tiwi Pearl: Kate 'missed it by that much'
The Minister for Sustainability, Kate Jones, yesterday admitted under pressure that the Tiwi Pearl had been discovered a whole 50 metres from its intended resting place on Harry Atkinson reef, ending her pretense that she successfully sunk the boat.
LNP Member for Cleveland, Mark Robinson said, "Maritime Safety Queensland confirmed the minister's blunder when it issued the exact coordinates of the Tiwi Pearl, not at latitude 27° 24.505' S as the minister had planned, but 27° 24.532' S. The MSQ mariners report is conclusive that the minister 'missed it by that much'. "
Dr Robinson said, "The minister's claim that the project was successful is laughable.
"First, it was a small contribution, not a whole reef. Very few boats will be able to fish on it at once.
"Second, she ignored strong wind warnings and sent the boat into the storm to avoid angry boaties and fishers.
"Third, the anchor ropes predictably snapped and the boat was out of control.
"Fourth, the boat's resting position on the bottom was not known for days (the minister now admits she didn't know until Monday)
"Fifth, the boat came to rest 50 metres from its correct position and with the wrong orientation.
Dr Robinson said, "the minister was definitely not in 'control', left everything in 'kaos' and has a lot of work to do to 'Get Smart' about Moreton Bay.
"The minister also reveals the extreme Green magic science that she believes in, when she states that already fish were making the Tiwi Pearl home.
"Suddenly its as if there are schools of fish everywhere around the Pearl. Its as if the boat was 'surrounded by an entire school of tuna'. Anglers would find that hard to believe minister . 'How about a few angry flathead' would also receive suspicion from boaties.
"Boaties and fishers are angry about the botched sinking, and hope that the minister will handle other artificial reef deployments better than the Tiwi Pearl."
ENDS
Media Contact: Mark Robinson - 0403154333
Marlin_Mike
17-03-2010, 02:47 PM
I see Mr Robinson watches Go99 on the weekend for his fix of Get Smart...............
charleville
17-03-2010, 03:42 PM
the Tiwi Pearl had been discovered a whole 50 metres from its intended resting place on Harry Atkinson reef, ending her pretense that she successfully sunk the boat.
As someone who writes a whole lot of eccentric waffle in the fishing reports on Ausfish, I am hardly one to criticise people who choose to contribute any sort of material on the same website.
However, other than for the purposes of political partisan extremism, I sure do wonder what the fuss is all about over this matter.
From my maritimely naive, politically naive perspective, I am delighted to see the ship sunk in the bay, no matter who sinks it, and for that matter no matter where it is sunk because it is one fish-holding structure that we did not have before and one more than I can remember being placed out there at least in the past ten years.
Every time that I fish at the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef, I write a report that usually says, "Today, I did my annual "Now I know why I never fish at the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef" trip to the Harry Atkinson artificial reef" That is because, for me, that reef is usually a desert except for a few school mackerel from time to time and undersized squire.
By comparison, I have taken home fish on 100% of my trips to Mud Island this year.
So do I care if the boat was sunk 50 m away from where it was supposed to be? Nah - I don't give a s%&t. It might be a different story if we were talking about misplacement in Tingalpa Creek or Schultze's Canal but fifty metres is a non-event in the wide expanse of water around Harry's. I am lucky if I can even anchor as accurately close as 50 m to an intended mark.
Is it the fault of the minister who funded the initiative that the people who were contracted to scuttle the ship got it wrong by fifty metres? If it is, I cannot see the logic in that any more than that the federal minister who funded the home insulation scheme is somehow responsible for a whole lot of dangerous work practices by opportunistic shonks doing the work.
Is it the minister's fault that the anchor rope broke, if that did indeed happen?
Well, if you believe that it is, you had better explain it to me in pretty simple terms because as a retired registered professional engineer, I struggle to know how that is any more true than if you want to blame a real estate investor, ie the person funding a building project, for the inadequacy of the factors of safety calculation built into the selection of bolts holding down the building in cyclones. In just ain't the minister's job to ascertain the technical aspects of the task. That is for someone else to take responsibility for.
Remember the boating safety slogan, "You are the skipper, you are the one responsible"? Well in this case, the one responsible for anything amiss in the execution of the scuttling was the person in charge of the execution of that, not the person funding the exercise. If conditions were not right, then it was the obligation of that person to delay the project until they were.
One sunken boat is not going to solve the overcrowding of boats that happens at Harrys' but it is a good start and they have to start somewhere.
So that is my $0.02 worth but other than that, I am happy as a pig in mud that another fish holding structure has been added to the bay.
As for the politics, I could not give a continental, as the Americans would say. I just want to go fishin'!
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TheRealAndy
17-03-2010, 06:33 PM
As for the politics, I could not give a continental, as the Americans would say. I just want to go fishin'!
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Problem is, the politics is going to prevent you going fishing soon...
Lucky_Phill
17-03-2010, 07:30 PM
Thanks for the long reply charleville and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion. You are correct in that the ship is now sunk and it will provide an extension to the overcrowded area known as Harry Atkinson Reef.
Be aware that more arti is to be placed in this area and in fact up to 30 tons of concrete pipes and culvert. It is hoped that a continuing placement of arti reef at Harry's will continue for some time.
In your reply, you quoted me, in fact that was a quote from Mark Robinson MLA. NO biggie.
1...There are those here that just want to fish.
2....There are those here that would like to get political mileage out of this.
3....There are those here that are involved in the arti reef process in MBMP.
4.....There are those here that are doing their best to help the people referred to in number 1. Without those people, the number ones may not have a place to fish.
Overall, it's a good thing. Way too late IMO.
No matter what you or anyone else perceives this to be, it is political posturing. Simple. They are using us to pad their ideals which they then sell to us.
If you do not have an interest in the politics, that's OK, it is definitely not for everyone.
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Lucky_Phill
17-03-2010, 07:41 PM
For those that fish that area, the following may be of interest.
Images provided by DERM.
I hope this is the start of a transparency by Government that has long been the top of the list for ECOfishers Qld.
The location by definition of Tiwi Pearl
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm246/Lucky_Phill/finallocation.jpg
And end view of the upright position in which it resides.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm246/Lucky_Phill/15032010.jpg
A cross beam view.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm246/Lucky_Phill/15032010002.jpg
Once again, thanks to the DERM arti managers for their support.
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Lucky_Phill
17-03-2010, 07:43 PM
OH..... I suppose you'll need to see this:-
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm246/Lucky_Phill/DSC02356.jpg
may the fish congregate and copulate at this contraption.. !!!!
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finga
17-03-2010, 08:17 PM
Are those wavey red lines that show on the sounder around, what seems to be the wreck, the schools of fish that are reported to be there now??
It would have been nice to be able to see her go down. But what is...is I suppose.
TheRealAndy
17-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Are those wavey red lines that show on the sounder around, what seems to be the wreck, the schools of fish that are reported to be there now??
It would have been nice to be able to see her go down. But what is...is I suppose.
I would suggest that those wavy red lines are something else. I am getting angry now because I cant think of the term to describe it, suffice to say its an error reading.. If you look at the seafloor, you will see the same wavy lines. The waves are a result of the boat moving up and down with the waves on the surface.
Lucky_Phill
17-03-2010, 09:16 PM
The sensitivity is turned way up on the sounder.
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TheRealAndy
17-03-2010, 09:29 PM
The sensitivity is turned way up on the sounder.
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Its basically the sonar ping going down, then up to the transducer, then boucing back down and getting detected a second time. There is a term for it, but it still escapes me.
Black_Rat
17-03-2010, 09:30 PM
Its basically the sonar ping going down, then up to the transducer, then boucing back down and getting detected a second time. There is a term for it, but it still escapes me.
Sonar echo ?
charleville
18-03-2010, 02:02 AM
In your reply, you quoted me, in fact that was a quote from Mark Robinson MLA. NO biggie.
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Thanks Lucky_Phill.
Ah yes - clearly I was not intending that anyone should associate the quote with you. It is just the way that the system works. If I want to click on the quote tab, your screen name gets associated. In hindsight, I should have deleted your screen name in the quote.
Naturally, as an effective, competent moderator, we should expect that you take a disinterested, as distinct from "uninterested", position on all postings and would not expect you to be making such provocative comments as the MLA has done.
My point is simply that extreme political rhetoric might go over well with the various slogan chanting, party faithful in other places but on a website like this, there would be a fair number of swinging voters like me with voting intentions in the next election yet to be decided and to us, the bagging of a minister loses all credibility unless the issue is significant.
No fair minded person will call a deviation of 50 m in the final resting place of the Tiwi Pearl from its intended original notional locale, in the vastness of Moreton Bay, significant.
To do so is just plain silly and diminishes the credibility of future posts by the people who do so. Viz, they are plainly working to an agenda which has little to do with fishing.
ie If people want to influence the thinking, swinging voter, they need to be submit rational argument. Anything else is counterproductive to their cause.
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TimiBoy
18-03-2010, 05:40 AM
No fair minded person will call a deviation of 50 m in the final resting place of the Tiwi Pearl from its intended original notional locale, in the vastness of Moreton Bay, significant.
Charlie, the distance is only a part (a small part) of the issue:
1. The Tiwi should not have been taken to sea at all with the conditions forecast. She (Kate Jones) didn't listen to advice. Why? We will never know...
2. It has taken a whole year for us to receive "compensation" for the loss of 500 square km of the Bay. One 30 metre long reef? Gee, thanks.
3. That 50 m makes all the difference in the world! It should have ended up in the depths, not on the bank. It is now very close (TOO CLOSE) to shallow water to the South, and it just shouldn't be.
Given the way we have been screwed over in the Bay and elsewhere, this ABSOLUTELY, HAD TO BE done right. It wasn't. IMO she should go to the gallows for it (in a political sense).
The handling of this from Go to WOE has been dismal, and Mark Robinson (who is a keen Rec Angler) is livid about it. He is also using it to gain Political points. That riles me up at times but that's his job. They ALL do it. Every single one of them.
You'll never find anyone to vote for if you get upset about cheap political point scoring.
Cheers,
Tim
TimiBoy
18-03-2010, 06:04 AM
The sensitivity is turned way up on the sounder.
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Which is the depth reading, on that sounder? Is it in feet or metres or fathoms or what???
Cheers,
Tim
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Lucky_Phill
18-03-2010, 06:20 AM
All good points charleville.
Although as you suggested, I take disinterested position on posts, yep sort of. I am just like you and the bloke next door. I fish, and wouldn't it be great if I could just do that and not have to worry about 4,891,952 rules relating to Zones, Fish sizes, bag limit, closed seasons, fin clipping, go slow areas, yellow zones, olive zones and the list goes on.
As Timiboy pointed out, the 50 meters is not the only issue here, but there is nothing we can do about it now, other than hope the current Minister and the new one will get it right.
To get it right they simply need to listen and act on stakeholders advice and NOT advice from the ' in house spin doctors '.
Sorry to make this political, but the fact remains that Politicians make the rules under which we fish and they do NOT always listen to their own departments advice, stakeholder advice or commonsense.............they make decisions to gain or keep a vote.
Damn I hate the track we go down sometimes, but in the end we must follow the path, maintain and enhance the path, make the path attractive to the pollies and maybe, just maybe , then......... we can all simply...... Go Fishing !
I thank you for your input and look forward to your continued contributions.
Cheers Phill
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finga
18-03-2010, 07:10 AM
I would suggest that those wavy red lines are something else. I am getting angry now because I cant think of the term to describe it, suffice to say its an error reading.. If you look at the seafloor, you will see the same wavy lines. The waves are a result of the boat moving up and down with the waves on the surface.
Gidday Andy...
Mate, I was been a bit sarcastic seeing they reckon fish are schooling around it 2 days after sinking.
Sorry for making you angry. I did not mean too....honest
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-021.gif
But just how angry did you get?? Just miffed or head butting, concrete punching cranky?? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-100.gif
FNQCairns
18-03-2010, 08:05 AM
Suggest there was a little flow when the sounder pic was taken, that and the sounder being poorly set up has resulted in it displaying noise etc from all that superstructure...that ship in it's self will keep BCF busy supping tackle and anchors for years to come!
There might be 2 returns that could be a loose group of small fish, bait fish will find it fast if it in any way disrupts flow.
The sounder is reading in metres judging by its height in relation to the sounder readouts setting.
Looks like a success to me, 20m is enought depth ...just!
cheers fnq
TheRealAndy
18-03-2010, 08:10 AM
Gidday Andy...
Mate, I was been a bit sarcastic seeing they reckon fish are schooling around it 2 days after sinking.
Sorry for making you angry. I did not mean too....honest
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-021.gif
But just how angry did you get?? Just miffed or head butting, concrete punching cranky?? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-100.gif
I would say miffed. There term I was looking for is reverberation btw. Happy again!
honda900
18-03-2010, 04:06 PM
Just a couple of things,
The Sounding;
The wavey line seem to be a response to the metal hull, almost reflective, I have seen this before on an LMS unit at harries on what is left of another wreck. If you look at the image you will see that there is not a lot of clutter in the water, which is generally indicative of the sensitivity being too high.
As for fish, there has always been fish in that particular area, in particular we have regularly caught Pike and small tailor around that south western area. Also some had some pretty big sharks take our livies around there as well.
Regards
HOnda.
mowerman
18-03-2010, 05:22 PM
Heard a radio add today with Greenie, sorry Brownie, saying how good the state socialist are to the fisherman because of the sinking at Harries.
Geez I love swearing at the radio.
Rod
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caster226
18-03-2010, 08:10 PM
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